<p​reland:matrix.org> Okay, what service did HM use to buy the Haveno domains?

<p​reland:matrix.org> (It’s netim)

<w​egav:matrix.org> Hello everone, is there any new algorithms released following Randomx on monero?

<w​egav:matrix.org> Hello everone, is there any new algorithm released following Randomx on monero?

<w​egav:matrix.org> I saw Full-Chain Membership Proofs Development

<w​egav:matrix.org> Can anyone predict when this research will be reflected in the mining algorithm?

<k​arano:poddery.com> FCMP doesn not have a change in mini g algorithm afaik

<w​egav:matrix.org> It says that the ring algorithm is being replaced by FCMP, but there is no change in the mining algorithm?

<w​egav:matrix.org> that's not true

<k​arano:poddery.com> are you asking me or trying tell ?

<k​arano:poddery.com> why you ask in first place then

<w​egav:matrix.org> Does anyone know the approximate launch date of the project under development? Excluding newbies who don’t even know the basics

<k​arano:poddery.com> don't tag me lol , if you are not talking to me

<w​egav:matrix.org> Shut up you ignorant lower class people.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Eta =<1 yr

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Havent had the first part audited

<k​arano:poddery.com> doing personal attacks won't gonna help you.

<k​arano:poddery.com> do your research

<k​arano:poddery.com> cry all you want

<k​arano:poddery.com> guy can't research on topic which has so many articles and comes in crying here

<k​arano:poddery.com> Do your research, before attacking others.

<k​arano:poddery.com> luke parker has explained FCMP in detail on blog and in video

<w​egav:matrix.org> Who the shit is luke parker ? Is that your mother

<k​arano:poddery.com> hmm , now i think you are totally a troll

<k​arano:poddery.com> doesn't even know luke Parker and calls me a newbiew

<w​egav:matrix.org> It's doesnt matter to me bro

<w​egav:matrix.org> who you are

<k​arano:poddery.com> did you donate to fcmp. If not then stop asking for timelines

<w​egav:matrix.org> Why should i donate the fcmp?

<k​arano:poddery.com> the dev is not your employee

<w​egav:matrix.org> I'm member of zephyr project bro

<w​egav:matrix.org> shut the mouth off plz

<w​egav:matrix.org> If you dont know first thing about mining

<k​arano:poddery.com> yeah so ? you will do personal attacks due to it ?

<k​arano:poddery.com> you don't need to do personal attacks for this

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> monet ?

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> You got your answer lecture boy?

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Or you wanna keep running your mouth at people instead of politely waiting for more input?

<k​arano:poddery.com> tags me unnecessarily and asks me to shut

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Lmao

<k​arano:poddery.com> "member of Zephyr" thinks we are obligated to answer him and he can insult at same time

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> The **behavior** 😆

<w​egav:matrix.org> Do you know what? Monero's development has become increasingly stagnant, and one person named Luke Parker is carrying out the Monero development project alone.

<w​egav:matrix.org> Long-term future is misfocused and will likely follow ZEC or DASH into history. RIP

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Bruh you went lazor eyes in response to an "AFAIK" you silly

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Foh with the ruler tapping

<w​egav:matrix.org> Ever since it was delisted from Binance, I thought it was a rotten sprout with no progress.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro have mental illness

Would have been helpful if the havenomain fork had chosen a different name, but ah well.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> really a sus behavior, and also cloning the officail haveno website. wtf?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if they're legit this was dumb

<3​21bob321:monero.social> too legit to quit

retarded DEI hires of the alphabet soup agencies doing stupid shit

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> because its too centralized

<p​reland:matrix.org> To be honest I think the name is the biggest issue I currently have with it

preland: yeah, i agree. Having an alternative, more centralised version wouldn't necessarily have been a bad thing. Indeed a more centralised version, demonstrates how the "original haveno" is more decentralised, in comparison. The blatent "brand/reputation/namespace" grab is a low blow though.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> theyre making it sound as if they are the official haveno team

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> they even link to the "official" haveno telegram

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> reminds me that i need to make a blogpost to discourage people to go on chat platforms that require a phone number

<p​reland:matrix.org> This just makes me more interested in a 2:2 multisig design

<p​reland:matrix.org> Now all that would be left is dealing with seed nodes….

<p​reland:matrix.org> Federation is a bad idea for real world governments—why would the virtual world be any different?

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Please see my comment here.

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> haveno-dex/haveno #901#issuecomment-2110276640

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Stupid design

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Imo for traders

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Federation could be good because each network could cater to certain traders. Doesn't sound good but it could be.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> blog.nihilism.network/servers/phonenumbers/index.html alright, completed that tutorial, was long due. If a service requires a phone number upon signup, it cannot be trusted

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Did you see hardenedsteel comments?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> blog.nihilism.network/servers/phonenumbers/index.html alright, completed that tutorial, was long due. If a service requires a phone number upon signup, it cannot be trusted. You can already rule out Telegram and Signal

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Yeah, I read through them and that seems more like a bug currently. Being able to fork off and code your own arbitrators in but not being able to take or make offers.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> blog.nihilism.network/servers/phonenumbers/index.html alright, completed that tutorial, was long due. If a service requires a phone number upon signup, it cannot be trusted. You can already uninstall Telegram and Signal

<p​reland:matrix.org> If you know of a flaw in 2:2 pls let me know (other than the stubborn parties one, still trying to figure that one out)

<p​reland:matrix.org> I guess

<p​reland:matrix.org> Yeah, definitely wasn’t the intended behavior lol

<p​reland:matrix.org> I had seen it earlier—to be clear, I’m not completely against federation, but the fragmentation can have very bad consequences.

<p​reland:matrix.org> For example, I would want to have at least *some* rules for what networks would be allowed in the federation. Rules such as not violating NAP, directly advertising money laundering or “mixing”, implying through presentation or naming that their network is “official” or “mainline” (cough cough). Enforcing such rules can become difficult with federation

<p​reland:matrix.org> (And before you say that rule-enforcing shouldn’t be a feature of federation, also keep in mind that if federation is allowed in its current state, creating false and malicious instances is very much possible, in many different ways)

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> This is why I prefer the gossip approach because then a user can decide whether they want to connect to that network or not.

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> So I could run a money laundering service and nobody could connect to it if they did not want to.

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> MANDATORY UPDATE: Haveno-reto 1.0.6 released.

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> github.com/retoaccess1/haveno-reto/releases/tag/v1.0.6

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> How do you plan to enforce the rules for federation?

<p​reland:matrix.org> Exactly. That’s the issue

<p​reland:matrix.org> For example, imagine if Monero was federated

For the record I don't own money to anyone, or have any ties to haveno/havenomain beside sponsoring it in the past

<p​reland:matrix.org> The best way to enforce the rules would be to have a set list of supported networks in the main app.

<p​reland:matrix.org> And even *that* has some rather interesting implications

I was surprised by the level of negativity from this person, here and on monero.town

<p​reland:matrix.org> Because then a rogue developer could intentionally add or prevent networks from being in the app

until I checked twitter DM where ex-contractor (to call it like that )

snitchy sent me this imgur.com/a/3KKrDk7

so it seems ex-contractor (shitchy) is now behind reto and confusing me / blaming me for w/e reason he created in his head

only mistake I did is that I paid him upfront, as kind and friendly gesture

until he started doing nothing for 1-2 months

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> How do we know that is snitchy though?

and demanded payment for doing nothing after 3rd month, which I found not acceptable

he just changed username, if someone know him, they can verify, orangefren at least

<3​21bob321:monero.social> This is why i wait. Breaking changes still. Which means things can break.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what kind of conclusion is that lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fall guy

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Fair enough. So when will you be joining after a month of no breaking changes or a year of no breaking changes or what?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Breaking change is an alpha thing

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds like its still in testing

<m​onerobull:monero.social> boohoo

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> its on mainnet, not testnet

<m​onerobull:monero.social> monero is in alpha then

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> And what better way to test it than to put real funds on the line?

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> gives good incentive.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yolo

<m​onerobull:monero.social> there is zero on the line if you save your seed

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Exactly

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> True. Save your seeds, people. Save your seeds.

<n​ononynous:monero.social> He's more like happy to see other actors defending him than being behind haveno

<n​ononynous:monero.social> I'm going to ask him if he really "did nothing" or if you just are lying

r​ottenwheel: here, in his media you can see it's snitchy

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Oh, popcorn is coming apparently

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> weekly reminder that drama is a waste of time, move forward guys

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Nice, it confirms what he's saying :D

<o​rangefren:monero.social> Hey everyone. I can confirm he changes his username regularly :)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Majestic?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> More alts then a chamelon

<n​ononynous:monero.social> He confirms himself also, idk what MB tries to point out lol

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Thanks MajesticBank.

<o​rangefren:monero.social> The beef between MB and snitchy basically revolves around the following: MB paid for Intercambio.app to be built. Snitchy had ideas to improve it. MB told me to give his half of profits to snitchy

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Welcome to monero community

<o​rangefren:monero.social> Then MB fired snitchy

<n​ononynous:monero.social> I'll do some build in few days with 1.0.6

<o​rangefren:monero.social> And took back the website

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Like sand in the hour glass this is the days of our lives

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> OrangeFren: so OrangeFren is 100% Majestic's or 50/50 between you and them?

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Didn't wanted to make people updating or installing old versions

<o​rangefren:monero.social> Snitchy alleges that intercambio.app was a gift to him personally from MB. MB says he just made snitchy in charge and gave him profits to encourage him

i live for this

<o​rangefren:monero.social> OrangeFren.com is my own. As is my company. Intercambio.app is separate. MajesticBank's idea and funding, coded by the team behind OrangeFren.com

all the details!!!!

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Sounds like he tried to bribe him to stay on his side

I put food in this guy mouth and he come like ths

<n​ononynous:monero.social> But both didn't understood their thing

<o​rangefren:monero.social> It's true that MB paid snitchy a lot

now you have haveno-schizo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Make luv not war

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Snitchy is telling that he got threatened by customers he promoted majestic bank during this period

<o​rangefren:monero.social> The issue with snitchy's claim is that he got nothing in return. If someone gifts you a project, at least ask for a dollar. Then you bought it and it's clear

<o​rangefren:monero.social> It's possible. He was MB's PR person

<n​ononynous:monero.social> You're the skyzo accusing other instances of scamming while you're the one accused of scamming litteraly everywhere

<o​rangefren:monero.social> MB also used vague language, so that doesn't help either

I saw young, privacy loving guy and wanted to help him

but obviously payments upfront is a no-go

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Next time you find out, remember that you fuck around

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> why dont you want to help privacy loving projects then?

<n​ononynous:monero.social> I dont care of snitchy lol, just fuck your mom enough to stop seeking beef around

I don't have infinite money glitch

from perspective of people talking it's very easy, but when you have to create something

manage finance, pay a lot of devs

everything is complex and takes time

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> its not built into your slippage script?

<o​rangefren:monero.social> To be fair to MB, he fired snitchy because snitchy was getting paid for months without actually promoting MB. (Snitchy was paid to be MB's promoter)

promoting competition*

<n​ononynous:monero.social> He probably tought of promoting MB trough intercambio or an other way "out of our box"

<o​rangefren:monero.social> He was indeed promoting intercambio

<o​rangefren:monero.social> That's true too

speak in 1st person please

<n​ononynous:monero.social> At least if I was

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Where can I get paid "a lot" for promotion 😳👉👈

the only reason we know about serai = monerobull

<o​rangefren:monero.social> Monerobull is one of the hardest working people in Monero, indeed

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Hell no that is kayaba

<n​ononynous:monero.social> True, we worked day and night on deploying intercambio

<n​ononynous:monero.social> True, we worked day and night on deploying haveno

<n​ononynous:monero.social> True, we worked day and night on deploying haveno-reto

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Thanks for the spam

<o​rangefren:monero.social> Monerokon + moderating all of Monero is a lot

<n​ononynous:monero.social> I mean, he helped some people on matrix to build from github

if rug is to happen, it will be schizophrenic rug

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Gotta make use of what I've learned from the year of testnet lol

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Bro says this with a thousand of "Majesticbank exit scam ??" Posts on reddit 🤣

you might not need to be mentally stable to run for ccs but for project as haveno, you really need to

lol

i will end it here

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We’ll end the meeting here

apologies to any mothers who may have been sitting in on that one

I support ofcxmr proposal tho, and agree on what diego says

with 5k upfront on funding, as with my bad previous experience

and asses work done after 1 month

and will need tho few days to run basicswap from source

*review

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We will wait for majestic approval

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> his majesty, if you will

vthor is pushing changes to his SeedSigner proposal repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…dfd2f808a6427a50d98838cdfcf4da1cc4b hmm dropping the portableQR thing and moving to the (now standardised) UR supported by NERO/Feather ... even has GUI integration

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Full send vthor boyo!

i want to believe

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Nice.

Thank you

so we'd need some evidence to go ahead and officially 'fire' the previous proposer , vthor says he can implement polyseed in python as 'proof'

firing him for 70 days even

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> original dev was all talk

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> spent more time on announcments/optics than coding

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> let vthor have at it

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> 2 years no code, go home

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hah, funny because HackerIndustrial did say they had implemented polyseed in python if I recall correctly.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> show repo

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> all i sae was a tweet saying he would

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Can't wait till vthor delivers that then, to give green light to the overtake. MoneroSigner can't get here soon enough.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Is my username HackerIndustrial, retard?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> youre claiming he said it fuckwot

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> youre claiming he said it fuckwit

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> go copy paste headlines

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Go fuck yourself, Croatian cunt.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ..........

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Wow, impressive 6 lines!

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> lmao

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Pay the first milestone!

so simple

it can probably fit on a QR code

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i guess the kid with daddy issues was right

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> my bad rotten

plowsof: wait, I'm not that fast, coding and communication at the same time leads to buffer overflow and stack smash

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> r4v3r23 still butthurt because I banned you from that room, eh? And I'm the kid. Psst.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> the fuck are you talking about

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> vthor yeah but it'd be good for the community to see either prior work, or that polyseed in python as PoC before the full takeover of the project, imho.

github.com/DiosDelRayo/polyseed-python I normally don't push before it is working and I need to be embarrased of my unclean code :S but here you can see that I'm working on it

rottenwheel: tonight it should work

think 3-4 hours more

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> dont worry its all good

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> at least theres some one motivated to work on it

can you not make it 6 lines long like hackerindustrial? im joking

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> such clean code

:D I can, but then it is more a binary then Python, like I compress the wordlist with lzma in the lang_xx.py

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsof just fire hacker

It is one line of b85encode(lzma.compress(' '.join(wordlist).decode())), but in vim you get eye cancer

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Coc breach

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> nah, just a little bitch's tourettes acting up

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ignore the child

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Bullish on drama when NgU

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Call the cops!

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Why a monerosigner team can't be assembled ?

n​ononynous, this a question directed to me?

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Yeah and anyone that would contribute to it

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> with who?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> no ones stepped up until vthor

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> hacker has done fuck all

<n​ononynous:monero.social> I know, it's just to say instead of drama you guys build

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> theres no drama with vthor

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> they wanna take a shot at a ded project

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> maybe they can look at sidekick next

n​ononynous: I can't really work in a team, people are too comlicated for me. Anyway almost always people get mad on me for simply doing the work instead of carring about emotions When you want to get me unproductive put me in a team - where mostly everybodies mission is to make the mission last forever :D

What is sidekick about?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> vthor redlib.zaggy.nl/r/Monerujo/comments…all_for_donations_monerujo_sidekick

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> redlib.zaggy.nl/r/Monero/comments/oxvu8l/offline_monerujo_is_coming

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> nitter.poast.org/monerujowallet/status/1422295987201134597

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> another project with 0 updates after 2 years

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Monerosigner is may dead but what's behind is indeed.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> not CCS related

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> what

<p​rancing389:matrix.org> New room started up.. matrix.to/#/#xmrmarketplace:matrix.org

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Technically theres no hardware wallet secure like seedsigner

<p​rancing389:matrix.org> New room started up.. matrix.to/#/#xmrmarketplace:matrix.org

<n​ononynous:monero.social> The stateless and airgapped features makes it safe for lots of vector attacks

nitter.poast.org/monerujowallet/status/1422295987201134597: tweet not found

<n​ononynous:monero.social> It's an android aigrapped wallet

<n​ononynous:monero.social> You buy a potato phone and using it like an hardware wallet

What happend to monerujo? Or now a new domain?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> dont worry about it

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> it was a joke

:D okay

And direclty got send in a rabbit hole....

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> monero has a tradition of ded/abondoned projects

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> is this where haveno noobs are supposed to be redirected to get their first monero ?

I see, but why. That somewone does not want to make a bounty I can understand now, but e.g. MoneroSigner is a nice fun project with a okay pay, why he didn't deliver after he got funded?

r​4v3r23: Are you the author of polyseed? If so, for what stands GF, I can only come up with two things and they are for sure not.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> author is tevador

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> github.com/tevador/polyseed

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Already here 🤨

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> I have stickers for you though

<c​aptaincanaryllc:matrix.org> I am a former agora/LM seller (agora.com/user/captaincanaryllc) and if anyone needs their first xmr they are welcome in this Simplex group or to message me:

<c​aptaincanaryllc:matrix.org> simplex.chat/contact#/?v=2-5&smp=sm…%22groupLinkId%22%3A%22alyVRzAfeUhl<clipped messa

<c​aptaincanaryllc:matrix.org> 7pBZQDtVBg%3D%3D%22%7D