<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/SPbNCgDutcPcsMMlJzEYfJAu

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> wow.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Maybe if we lack a suitable person for a particular job, we should plant and rise them in a garden. Or make some woman conceive a baby genetically engineered for the job. Or hey, we could just conjure them up out of thin air with magic. So many possibilities, so many options. In no way we have to pragmatically look at what we actually have in the hard, cold, real world, compromise<clipped message>

<r​brunner7:monero.social> and make a reasonable attempt to work with that.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that's what the government does when they are forced to publicly list a position but already have someone in mind

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >must have 5 years experience with this specific thing and also be named Jeff from the second floor

rbrunner7: to be fair, the role was not publicly listed, so we don't know who would be willing to take it on for that wage. It was offered to rehrar and he was told to CCS for it.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> luigi told diego to create a ccs, that looks similar to ofrn's one

Well, it is similar. However, it's also a lot more succinct, and built on a greater body of established work for the community.

I also think rehrar's soft skills are much more apt for the role than ofrnxmr's.

That's my own perception, admittedly, so feel free to disagree.

what’s with these “soft skills” that are being touted so much? do we need an in-house politician to bring together warring factions?

the job is website maintainer. everything else is fluff

that's also fair

basically what ErC was doing

If that is the totality of the role intended by Luigi, then the CCS should state that

And yeah, 100k a year is ridiculous

that’s the title I used for the monerobull ccs

sure, but you haven't talked to luigi have you?

and it’s the first point and only actionable one from diego’s list

no

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Hi Everyone,

So luigi1111 needs to say what tasks they want to delegate and then the proposer needs to link to a CCS that describes those tasks.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> We (VOSTOEMISIO) and xenu just posted a new proposal to create a FCMP Animated Explainer Video, please chime in or let us know if you have any comments on it, thanks!

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/472

<3​21bob321:monero.social> written in a nicer way

<3​21bob321:monero.social> wtf is soft skills

<3​21bob321:monero.social> you either have the skill or you dont

yeah, ideally he would list the requirements for the job. hopefully they don’t include having experience working covertly for core

I’m still waiting for diego’s final transparency report. that was $330k worth of soft skills

lol.

these hobbits...

<3​21bob321:monero.social> that will be after cores report

<m​onerobull:monero.social> matrix shot

<m​onerobull:monero.social> imo the "secretary" role was so outrageous, it's insane to suggest putting the same person in a similar position again

“Has enough time passed so we can try this again” lol

what if there's nobody that does it as well as he does?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> write 0 memory

33 n vcx

cat got on keyboard.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> imo the "secretary" role was so outrageous, it's insane to suggest putting the same person in a similar position again

we got it the first time!

<m​onerobull:monero.social> ah there it is

<m​onerobull:monero.social> 7 minute delay

<m​onerobull:monero.social> besides, i had already deleted it

mb: how do you envision this job? core delegates and you execute or would you be more of a self-starter in terms of making things run more smoothly

do you see any inefficiencies that are low-hanging fruit right now?

assuming the bridge works

geonic is warming the interview questions, i see.

we should make a panel

Ofrnxmr should probably be on it

what would be of this community without geonic!?

Good test of a person's soft skills. Ofrnxmr can go full scatter gun throughout the interview

fire up 5 different windows (:

<m​onerobull:monero.social> well

<m​onerobull:monero.social> i already do most of this stuff

<m​onerobull:monero.social> event work? yeah we got monerokon

<a​js_:matrix.org> (Which is a whole lot of work)

<m​onerobull:monero.social> community? i am everywhere with the exception of the retirement home called irc

retirement home called IRC?

are you implying jberman or jeffro256 are old and decrepit?

last I checked they were youngings!

<m​onerobull:monero.social> so i guess the main part that is new is the website maintenance which is really similar to modding reddit if you think about it. check that you dont approve garbage, update outdated things, etc.

<m​onerobull:monero.social> boomer is a mindset

ok zoomer.

Asking people to squash also

plowsof: squash deez nutz.

yeah it seems the real job is the website. maybe reviving #monero-site and running meetings…

have u looked at the redesign proposal for the website? what are your thoughts on it

<3​21bob321:monero.social> but erc got paid 35xmr for 3 months

and plowsof is getting 69 (when he remembers)

If the job includes a website redesign and redeployment, it should be stated.

diego would probably be good at that

Monerobull might be as well, i suppose

<3​21bob321:monero.social> but there is already ccs for that

ah ok

Ignore me

<3​21bob321:monero.social> but core i think said no

redesign is not happening?

But yeah, can we please just outline the tasks more clearly then. i feel i am going round in circles. It's fun, as you're all fun people, but i gotta shitty day job to do too.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450

useful comment. so this is a workgroup leader/maintainer position

monerobull I imagine luigi’s first interview question would be whether you have any web experience

see you mañana!

<m​onerobull:monero.social> well there is monerosupplies (bad exaple, i started that like 3 years ago with very little experience and monero.town which is more everything around running a web-service, not directly about the site but stuff like certificates, database, etc

<3​21bob321:monero.social> dont leaders just point and shout

<3​21bob321:monero.social> get the minions to do it

<3​21bob321:monero.social> deigo shouts at plowsof to do it

Erc didnt have merge powers, nor deployment powers

Diego's ccs isnt just website maintainer, and its DEFINITELY not "do what core tells him"

Website maintenance isnt a 1 person job. Maintainer != maintenance. Maintainer is in reference to git repo powers

The website is open source , PRs and reviews should be done by community

(as they currently are)

plowsof works on site already, but has no maintainer powers. He can make a list of 20 prs that are reviewed, squashed, conflicts resolved, ready to be merge, but then is forced to wait for luigi to merge them

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Loogi are merging powers in -site up for grabs with this new complementary role for plowsof's duties? luigi1111 luigi1112 luigi1111w

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> LUIGI.

yes

plowsof does the duties largely because slow merges = merge conflicts

"the duties" meaning pulling in commits fron various prs into one pr and resolving all conflicts himself

only core have merge access to our repos. the maintainer creates a merge list. if they look sane / have valid approvals they get merged

^ yeah. This is what erciccione did as "maintainer" (really just "coordinator"). Diego as maintainer would have merge powers

At least, that's how i understand it

Otherwise hes not taking work off of luigi's shoulders, hes just helping to pile it on faster

<3​21bob321:monero.social> can create "soon ™️ " label?

yeah, we'll make the "soon™️" label right after monero-docs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> do before and we can label that

soon™️ we'll make the soon™️ label. Only took a year to remove moneroaddress.org

Were only about 6 months into monero-docs. Give it time

dont worry, moneroaddress exists in all of the translated files still

💀

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> do I get this right that this proposal wants to switch from a static site generator (jekyll?) to another static site framework (astro)?

450?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 420

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 469.

repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450 .. 450

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the prototype is also broken on mobile: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/450#note_25154 so how can it claim "The website will be designed to be responsive, ensuring optimal viewing and interaction across various devices, including desktops, tablets, and smartphones." the current website is responsive and works on mobile. while the new one is broken

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/ioczhWPHmDYnMAaCcGlIhsdJ

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> old one works just fine

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/dAUnPDXIisMsapfegTeGPauV

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> I also dont get why there is a need to switch to astro?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> it will not make a fundamental difference to jekyll and introduce new headaches

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> for sure the website should be improved. I am all for it. But at the same time it is unclear how this proposal will be an improvement.

"but there are still some tasks to address, such as the mobile menu, the blog page, the documentation, SVG images, etc.

I am not a web designer and I would need one somehow."

did everyone miss that part, or was it addressed

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> that is not a design problem. They are missing a media query that switches the gridsize to have only one column on small screens.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> we can just add a dark mode to the jeykll page if this is what people want

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> instead of creating a new cluster with this astro stuff.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> I am all for trying new stuff and new tech. But it needs to deliver value

I read their sentence as go mean "i dont know how to fix this"

s/sentence/statement

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i like the current website D:

finally someone said it

me too

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ack escapethe3ra / vostoemisios milestone updates

Lipstick on a pig, amirite

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I thought it was getting changed cause of translation

Need to fix the content 😅

Nah, it was just a proposal redesign done year(s?) Ago that janaka deckded tk i

to implement

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> dans thinking of monero-project/monero-site #2140

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> 🍿

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> next community meeting 6th July monero-project/meta #1032

oh goody, July 4th weekend

you are on a roll

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> planning 100

Lol erc

Football England vs Switzerland also, perfect chance to prove our dedication

I thought this scammer ragequit and then started attacking woodser and selsta

<m​onerobull:monero.social> community? i am everywhere with the exception of the retirement home called irc <<>> it would require you to have an IRC account ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And community too i thought

He has popcorn out like were not doing better without him already 😂

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Popcorn paid by firo?

hey erc, i think you still need to demote yourself from a couple matrix rooms

Please do before you break them by downing another homeserver

i remember when erc told twitter not to trust diego and not to use stackwallet. Then he rugged haveno 🤣

I ran out of popcorn a long time ago. The erc movie is like lord or the rings, too long

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Nerds and their vendettas

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> That's a new peak of nonsense in such few time

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> stop thinking about me so much tho, you make me blush

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> I don't even know shit about you besides that you left?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> was talking to o​frnxmr

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> links of the rooms also please

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> the one of the server is new to me btw. What's that about?

You banned me from the rooms, so i'm not sure if you are still admin. Site and translations

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> right, so i don't need to do anything. my bad. I thought you were saying something that wasn't a lie for once

you told people not to use stackwallet? thats a fact. - wheres the nonsense / lie?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> fascinating

that i didnt forget? Not really

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Oh no. Ciccione in here no, please...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> geonic, ofrnxmr and ErC. The dream team!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Can anyone invite Xeagu and anonimal now?

<c​t:xmr.mx> _and_ rottenwheel 😱

ah, anonimal. Diego was Kovri coordinator too 🫠

Were nothing without rotten5thwheel as our retarded chicano dwarf hating crewmate

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> lol

+transphobic

forgot about that. 5th wheel that hates transmissions

Identity crisis

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ok, so I've decided to lower my price too match plowsof's after noting one of the most common issues people have is with the price.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Plowsof's price seemed like a jumping off point for me, and added in the cost increase of design and web skill sets seemed reasonable, but I guess it wasn't.

Plow's actually had a problem with inflation

Its not 69 anymore. So if you match, youre looking at 80.07

its not that ppl have a problem with price

Erc was getting like 50xmr/3months to do a whole lot of nothing

This yr has had 6 months of his job done for free

people are jusr counting your pockets and happy to pay themselves 25k to not deliver oscars. Geo also voted against plowsof and plowsof is, to this day, still overworked

<s​trawberry:monero.social> iirc the most warranted issues were how the proposal is too broad and general, and the potential conflict of interest over this point: "Assisting plowsof as needed in CCS work (working under him for various tasks if needed)"

its not a coi

Luigi is king dictator of ccs

Plowsof isnt luigi

I never voted against plowsof

You told him to lower his rates and didnt like the proposal iirc

wrong. go back and read my comment

I commented in support then said €40/hr seemed a little high. that’s it

I’m also maybe the first person(?) to send plowsof some xmr for his volunteer work prior to his proposal

But, for example, ErCiccione's work on monero-site has been billed at 30 eur/hr. I consider that work more complicated and requiring deeper expertise, so would be hesitant to fund coordinator work on the CCS at a higher rate.

I think 10 hrs/week at 30 eur/hr represents a good value for the community.

10hrs/week is absolutely blasphemy

Plow bills for 20 but works like 60

And he only collected half of the 40 all of last year. Taking 6 months to collect a 3 months ccs

no doubt. you’ll notice I didn’t push any further.

yeah, but imo (putting words in plow's mouth),he was afraid tk collect on tome fkr fear of being cancelled

lol

to collect on time for*

But yeah, luigi and plowsof has different roles, and diego isnt covering for plowsof, hes covering for luigi

I vote for mb

Ik you do

you prefer diego over mb?

I vote ofrnxmr

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> to be clear geonic, you were initially in support but now are not, yes?

I’m not against you helping. I haven’t seen how any of your COIs get resolved though. listing them doesn’t resolve them

they arent conflicts because hes not in charge

He's working for community

“ I and all of my employees do occasional work for other clients, many of them in the privacy or crypto sphere. Several of them privacy coins themselves.”

he’s working for a few communities

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And what are the primary issues that could arise from this, according to you?

I don’t know, you listed it as a COI. what are they?

that youre going to merge proposals to lay yourself and out competitors

Pay*

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I can't really think of any besides prioritizing the work there and not do my Monero hours. I listed them for total transparency, but I myself can't see how it would cause issues.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But I'm open to being wrong.

But, diego will (i asssume) do as plowsof tells him, and not whatever-he-wants

yes, because luigi does what plowsof tells him and that’s how these things work

Luigi doesnr so as plowsof asks

why would luigi’s replacement?

luigi didnt even tell plowsof when ccs got hacked

I want to be able to trust that the person who is in charge of the website has monero’s best interests in mind and doesn’t have 100 other competing priorities

diego will merge what plowsof sends him, and we wont have to wait 4 weeks

(site)

I still remember the “if we don’t get an extra $2000 we might have to stop XMR research work”

and hiring sarang out to firo for a year without letting us bid on it. at least you apologized for that

Getting merges done on site atm is a massive waste of resources. Plowsof literally has to make new prs and fix conflicts because it takes so long

We did bid on it - wasnt it you that wrote the post about triptych?

And made sarang fight for money when he should have been getting paid hinto money?

what was the post? that while we’re waiting for triptych he’s working on firo?

i think it was deleted, couldnt find it earlier. (found a thread but the OP was deleted)

You do know that seraphis and triptych were inspired by / influenced by firo's work?

not according to koe

As in, without firo neither would exist

neither exists anyway (:

lelantus spark does though.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> again, aaron wasn't enthuzed about working with Monero further at the time

yes, he ran out of popcorn

"not according to koe" << well, ill say, according to koe, yes it was. Jamtis was not

diego: not what you said 3 yrs ago

“an offer came and I took it”

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> correct. I said yesterday that I withheld this information

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> correct

”people wouldn’t approve it anyway”, etc

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> both of these things are true

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> there was a variety of reasons we went with Firo. All of the above are true. One that I didn't say (that really would have helped my position at the cost of putting Aaron in the line of fire) was that he wasn't thrilled with jumping right back on the Monero train.

We all knkw that though

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> not all of us, it seems

it was obvious :)

He literally left the rooms and only comes back for real work

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That said, I am still sorry that I didn't give Monero a chance to bid and spoken with Aaron further about it

fk that

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> nioCat not obvious to all of us, it seems :P

Hes not an escort

We fumbpled the ball and paid scammers instead

If monero is in the business of not retaining devs. Thats a monero problem

We lost surae too

neither is a dev

excuse me?

and yes we all knew sarang was burned out

Being a researcher doesn't stop you from being a dev

Burned out? No. Discouraged? Yes

it doesn’t stop you from being an astronaut either

He had np working for a community that he didnt have to bend over backwards to earn his place

anyway, I get it Diego. when you have conflicts of interest sometimes you have to withhold information.

Does sarang have code prs or not, geonic

being an employer and employee in the same organization is bound to cause trouble

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this is a reasonable point, though in this case the conflict of interest is the mental well-being of my employee and friend, and not one that arises from working on other prjoects

Diego isn't sarang's pimp

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If everyone 'new sarang was burnt out' as much as they say they did, I don't know why there were so many accusations of poaching the guy (when he hadn't worked for Monero for 6 months at that point) and taking him to another project :P

sarang could have defected to zcash and never looked back

Monero's super entitled and never took care of the noethers

Used and abused, then put them through witch trials, and they couldn't even get a car loan

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That was one of the final things I was trying to save during my tenure with core. Couldn't clinch it in time.

surely your continued work for other projects means that no such situations will arise in the future

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Was trying to set up a research fund thing similar to the one that was recently funded so they wouldn't have to keep fundraising, which was a constant point of stress

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> but know what I do now, we still would have lost them ;)

+1

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Just checked my outlined proposed work, and "dibs on my employees time" isn't on there

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> so you are correct, that no similar situations would arise in the future regarding people working for me

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> fwiw, in retrospect I agree that these COIs were too significant in regards to me being a Core liason and representative to the community. There was a prestige and respect for my word that came from that. Had some weight to throw around.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Here, I would not be a Core anything.

right, just taking on one of the duties of a current core member

As a community member

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I would head a couple of workgroups, yes. But Koe was the de facto head of MRL for a period of time, and worked for MobileCoin?

And wrote monerocoin's paper and never updated monero's

Mobilecoins**

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> or maybe his tenure there had stopped by the time he had assumed that de facto role, not quite sure.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And I would argue MRL is a much more important workgroup than website ;)

He started work on seraphis after he left mobilecoin

Huh?

was the head of MRL a salaried position?

Koe was paid

not for leading MRL

And im pretty sure he started seraphis before mobilecoin

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> your knowledge of that timeline is better than mine, so I defer to you

And worked on seraphis while working for Mobilecoin. Hes not in this room, maybe koe000 is here on matrix? Ping him

no, he wrote 0 to monero. got hired by mobilecoin and wrote their whitepaper. then quit and focused on seraphis

diego: do you hold any monero now or are you still avoiding it so it doesn’t “cloud your judgment”, as you said?

I think your timing on public events doesnt line uo on when koe started working with firo on seraphis

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I hold Monero

ok

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> got some after I was let go, in fact ;)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> you may not agree with my reasoning there, but I was consistent in my internal worldview there

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> once I wasn't working for core anymore and didn't feel my judgement would be clouded by trying to make short-term NGU, I got Monero.

something good came out of it then :)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> to this day, my preferred payment in Cypher Stack is Monero

crazy to think that holding monero would cloud your judgment while working for firo and others wouldn’t

but what do I know

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm not infallible

none of us are

it’s also about not repeating mistakes tho

ofrn asked a good question that maybe you or luigi can answer since you’ve discussed this. Is this position going to have merging powers?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> from my understanding, for the website yes

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> luigi wants that pretty much completely off his plate

copy, tx

what else do you see as an actual deliverable from this proposal? not including soft skills

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> none I guess. The other thing luigi really doesn't care to deal with anymore is dealing with matrix moderation and the like. Leading the existing mod team there

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> but that could be considered soft skills

yeah

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Doinig what I can to revive Monero Community a bit. But that's also soft skills.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Those were his big three primary desires.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the things he really doesn't enjoy dealing with and take a fair amount of his time

Lolololol, all 14mins a month that he takes out of his boating time

would you be willing to contribute your soft skills even if it’s unpaid?

Site gets like 1 merge per month fr, and uses a ton of plowsof hours because of ot

It*

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> imho we're not in abundance of soft skills in monero's community, and haven't been for a while

ofrn is contributing his soft skills all day

i was*

problem is they’re not so soft

(:

Then i was banned and not even allowed to contribute to monero-support

or monero-docs

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I already do. Nowhere near as much as I used to, but I'm still active doing things. Putting out some fires where I can or where I have sway. Few hours a month. Not every month.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> To do so on a half time basis or anything, no. I have a family and business.

I don’t think there’s enough fires to justify a salaried fireman

i do

but website maintainer yes

+ matrix mod

site maintainer _alone_ was 200xmr/yr

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It's a good thing fireman is one of the minor tasks on the list

Adding in all of the extras is essentially a bonus, but official

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and I also think your read of the amount of fires in the community is off ;)

geonic can't read tho, diego

then 200xmr should be the salary for this job. responsibilities should be listed and people can compete for it

My ccs was 200xmr

yes but luigi doesn’t want you

Thats luigi needs tk get out of community & plowsof's way

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Other CCS's don't work this way?

Its CCS, not LCS

thats why*

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> plowsof makes a proposal and nobody says "let's post this as a position and see who applies"?

they don’t, but this is basically a request from Core

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this is not a request from core

ok, from luigi

Its a request from luigi (core) to undermine my ccs for his own comfort

would’ve been great if fluffy had done something similar when he decided to hire you

instead he preferred to hide it

but that’s water under the bridge

Fluffy hired other ppl too, and he also "sponsored" monero

the quotes are doing a lot of work there

And binaryfate paid for missing "sponsorships" then replenished his credit card using generalfund

haha

it’s a sponsorship if you squint really hard

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> if I may be blunt, luigi isn't looking for just anyone to fill this position, which is why it wasn't 'posted'.

Fork networkinf also sponsored us, while also hosting thousands of spy nodes

but he did say that it won’t go through without community approval

What luigi wants really doesnt matter

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> correct

Youre working for community, right?

so he either goes with community decision or is stuck doing the work

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> correct

And luigi said eff that for community decision. And left himself stuck doing the work

So he went to diego to ask diego to fill the vacuum

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> or in many cases, not doing the work ;)

yeah 😅

well, luigi should just come out and say “diego is the only qualified person to maintain the website”

or something to that extent

Thats not true though

that’s why he won’t say it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> that's not what he's saying though? XD

Luigi just _wants_ diego to do it bcuz he doesnt want someone else to

“ luigi isn't looking for just anyone to fill this position”

And who cares what luigi wanrs

that’s what this was implying, no?

Hes just 1 vote

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> he wants me to do it because he deems my alignments sane, so the decisions I would make regarding the site and moderation to be sane

Someone who makes insane decisions

looks like many people disagree with his assessment

Is choosing who should take over

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> it seems so, but just as many seem to agree

that’s a bit optimistic I think

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> seems to me things are pretty evenly split right now

look at the reddit threads

40 upvotes vs 6?

I, personally, am ok with Diego filling in.

Its not a popularity contest

are you ok with mb filling in?

yes/no

1. Ofrn 2. Diego

Those are my votes

ok

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Reddit seems skewed negative, the proposal it seems skews positive, IRC skews about even

mb’s CCS has more upvotes than yours

reality distortion field in effect

Mb for maintainer is a stretch for me. Its an important role to play and i dont feel that anyone csn do it

also more down votes

Even plowsof gets pushed around too much to out in a position where he'd be subject to being pushed and pulled instead of finding the line in the sand

mb's

ErC downvoted, he just hasn’t pressed the button

plowsof is more than _capable_ of being website maintainer, but he doesnt know how to say no to bad actors

which is why you’re still on irc (:

no

Plowsof unbanned me, and xmrscott rebanned

anyways, who's got the crack?

Rotten does, rotten

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> what this seems to come down to geonic is two things:

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 1. Someone else that you think is capable said they'd do it for cheaper

Im still on itc because Scott doesnt have power here - plowsof does

exactly, he can’t say no

Plowsof has never had a reason to ban me

and that someone else hasn’t betrayed the community’s trust in the past

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2. My COI is unresolved for you, so it's not a good fit

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> anything else to add to this list?

so, geonic, i have your vote? 😂

Ill hire diego and mb

No, that’s it. I’d add that I prefer mb regardless of the rate

mb has been in a position of trust?

because of the trust element

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> got it

reddit mod

Mb runs monero.town

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> monerosupplies.com

oh right, he will make that a landing page

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> official discord

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> well, I have failed to convince you as far as COI goes, and can't do anything about someone more trusted saying they'll do it for cheaper so I'll go ahead and do other thinigis now.

yep, thanks for chatting

as if you ever had a chance of changing geonic's mind :D

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ye ye

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> previously serai janny

I still won’t downvote your proposal

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> monerobull for president

someone helping > no one helping

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> 2 times magic monero fund committee

that resume is growing by the minute lmao

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im so trustworthy, i got the "Thorchad" tag on the thorchain telegram lmao

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> nioCat change geonic's mind, no

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> mind you, im the only person with a special tag there and now i constantly get marketing dms because im mistaken for thorchain team member 😭

nioCat: can I convince you to get a dog as your next pet :p

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> but conversation still good for other readers so they can make an informed decision for themselves

mb: when is serai coming

<s​needlewoods:monero.social> monerobull have you mentioned you were dev-meeting moderator? I trust monerobull (as much as you can trust an anon on the interwebs)

geonic: I have had dogs :)

and we’ve had diego (:

we’re just cat people nowadays

I can't have dogs were I am now

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You and a few others are anyways.

quite a few

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This "we" is doing a lot of work

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Quite a few in the opposite direction.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Quite a few vs quite a few

your supporters can all be counted in the CCS

the opposite isn’t true

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Assuming everyone takes the time to interact with the CCS?

If theyre voting they should be involved here

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Nioc has been pretty positive and he hasn't interacted with the CCS.

Reddit has nothing to do with the scope of the work

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Andres seemed pretty positive, and he didn't interact with the CCS.

how positive?

enough to upvote?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> So the supporters cannot all be counted in the CCS, no.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> How negative are these detractors? Enough to downvote?

I had like 13 real upvotes and 12 downvotes :D

well, you know how you must vote now nioc/anhdres :)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Literally why I said at the beginning for people who don't want this to go through to go to the CCS and make their voices heard.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Remember me saying that yesterday?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Literally said so we don't have to refer to nebulous people and conversations? XF

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> *XD

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And you literally said conversations here count just as much

someone needs to bot spam diegos ccs

Lets get his downvotes to 20

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And with Andres and nioc chiming in here, suddenly it doesn't count just as much unless they're so positive that it leads them to upvote?

Reddit and telegram votes ftw

(/s)

Seriously though

I could hire both of them

negative enough to post comments like these: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1dsgcfz/comment/lb793dp

I won't vote for mb unless he makes an IRC account, bad mouths IRC and is a discord mod lol

But idk what mb would be doing. I'm not sure mb is that good with git (?) Monerobull

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm not saying I don't have detractors

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> My issue came with the sweeping "we" statement

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> As if you spoke for the community as a whole that "we'd had enough of Diego"

Ercicciones comment is the best

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> imho we're not in abundance of soft skills in monero's community, and haven't been for a while

Erc claiming he did much more 😁

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Hi Everyone,

Plowsof rolling in his grave

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Pardon my interruption of the drama here 🍿.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Double-trouble today as we are back with another proposal, we've been approached and encouraged to revamp the introductory "What is Monero?" video.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Please find the proposal here and share your comments/feedback: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/473

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Cheers,

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> //VOSTO

that’s all I’ve seen from anhdres ^

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> there is a ~10:1 ratio of plebbit updoots. the people have spoken

here’s another downvote

wut is red it? I hear it is the new goo gle

(:

btw, thx luigi for 10 years working as an unpaid volunteer

yes

he’s not out of the woods yet

actually the question about merging powers was by rottenwheel

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> ok I'll take a look at the CCS

there are two

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> for the record, cats are better pets than dogs unless you live on a farm or sth

Define "pet"

farm cat sitting on large tower made from bales of hay is squinting at that comment with disapproval

:)

do you walk your cat

my last cat I did

plowsof is a farm cat confirmed from Wales confirmed.

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> a cat is like a friend and a dog is like a son, pick wisely

a son who is forever stuck at the age of 4

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> what's the other one besides this? repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/470

471

And 444

444 is the OG

lol, 444 is closed

it can be reopened

hire all 3, we need all the help we can get

ofrn is here all day anyway

nioCat thats what i said.

Geonic - actually, no im not

Ive been mia for 5+ months

Only active in rooms where im not banned on matrix

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> too many people wanting to take over the world

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> I need to read the fine print

the fineprint is what diegos says

your vote is already cast for diego, sorry

I was asked by kaya to remove all deliverables

at least that’s what he said

She*

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I said he was positive towards me geonic

sorry!

But mine initially was requested by community members amd a fee people on ccs for me to assist plowsof with ccs, + monero-docs + monero-site + monero-support etc

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You have a wonderful ability to twist things and be obnoxiously saccharine in the way you do it.

you’re saying we have a similar skill set?

maybe I should apply for this job too

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Indeed, that's why I piled you lot in the same garbage can earlier.

rotten is dogshit tho

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Oh god. We fight some much because we're the same.

<m​mxxx:monero.social> such language

rotten: how do you vote on 471 you useless turd

rotten calls us midgets, trannies, dwarfs, retards

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> So much*

Hes just trying to be a troll

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> geonic figger it out.

wen mod

diego will u ban rotten if u become matrix mod

you’ll have my vote

If i was unbanned rotten would have been kicked by now

siren stnby

Cant just bait all day in the workgroup while contributing nothing of substances

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Things will come down to a "be excellent to each other" and mutes will be handed out so people can cool off. :)

Rotten was _conditionally_ unbanned

^ waiting for your votes as well

I should know. I wrote his acceptance agreement

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Why the ping?

Probably wants you to vote

To vote for a website maintainer/matrix mod

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Siren: geonic numbers, ethos enforcer is asking you and Stnby to cast your vote in the ongoing CCS proposals by mb and Diego.

The position is not site maintainer

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Thank god for geonic's admirable work!

Its the ofrn ccs, reworded

It’s website mergerer

Much larger scope than maintainer of 1 repo

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Hilariously you can vote for both proposals.

yes

all 3*

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Diego Salazar: would you take bribes to deploy permanent bans?

#vote444

Btw I’d moderate matrix for free. I think midipoet offered to be a mod as well

midi doesnt use matrix

diego has already boosted ccs interaction and increase number of willing contributors

Can we get those rates lower please

And doesnt moderate their own channel (policy)

Plowsof: you mean ofrn.

all hail ofrn

My ccs is what opened the floodgates

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yes but if Luigi didn't take him and you up on that there's probably a reason. ;)

I just made the offer

(:

we need new mods anyway

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> As far as I know Core team doesn't have anything to do with moderation on Matrix, that's all Scott's, Mumuks, charuto, endor000, plowsof kingdom.

Midi should start by making a monero.social acct and opping up in -policy

its literally scotts litterbox

Plowsof gets overruled by scott repeatedly

Selsta overruled too

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I'll check again and vote but does mb actually wanna do this btw? I wouldn't mind either of these people.

Yes, mb wants to do it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> He said that he doesn't mind

and mb doesnt want geonic to do it, judging by comments

:D

I mean, doesnt want diego**

yes, either vote mb or diego

But i thing best is what nioc said

Merge diego to hire me and mb

siren: also keep in mind one is charging 8x the rate of the other

But still, i someone needs to find out if mb can use git and do merges

Geonic, the rate you set for mb is slave labor

Unless you expect plowsof to essentially still have to do everything

I just took him at his word

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Haha maybe I should become the third candidate 😉 /s

4th*

😂

I vote siren

Third candidate needs to pay to do the job

lol subscription fee to contribute

Havent we all paid

Having to read rotten is a form of payment

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Brb, opening my proposal.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org imagine the amount of daily bullying. 😂

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> bullying of me? i'd have to go outside first

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Guys, revuo-xmr.com loading for you?

yes

Not here

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/CPCnkppSwojcNHyJANZFsMfi

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Thanks sir.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Only WITHOUT www

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> With www it works fine

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> yep

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> you're lucky there's not a *negative* CCS

that’s our new pay-to-contribute system

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> what can go wrong?

sneaky anhdres upvoting both :p

I don't care as long as someone updates the damn website

monerobull is too cheap and rehrar is too expensive (if we deduct the "soft skills")

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> by all means, raise me to 10 XMR per month

and geonic, midipoet, and niocat for mods

the first is a problem that can be fixed, the second one likely isn’t

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I said I'd lower to match plowsof?

plowsof can we change the amount being raised after the fact?

I guess we can if diego is changing his rate

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> can i raise to match plowsof?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Have you guys ever used the CCS before? Rates are changed all the time according to feedback. Wtf?

what do u want to charge mb. think about it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> can i raise to match diego?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> :P

yes but you might lose a few updoots

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> wait. we're lousy at negotiating as a community

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> 🤨

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> we should be getting lower rates not higher

10xmr sounds like a decent start

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you said and i quote "monerobull is too cheap"

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> fuck

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> you're right

can’t blame him for crashing the site on a slave wage

if you upvote then you must contribute ____xmr to that proposal if it is merged

that should

be a requirement

Mb should open his own proposal

^^^

Clown show letting geonic act on his behalf

no this one has 9 upvotes

Geo cant use git either, spamming us like crazy

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> hey that's right, how come geonic is the one posting for monerobull?

stop trying to sabotage

Because geonic felt like being a troll

And then ran with it

:p

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Where I send xmr for my downvote

cause he didn't want diego

xmrfamily: to me

100xmr and I delete the proposal

<c​t:xmr.mx> Yes

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> geonic decided i should have a ccs proposal based on a single txt message

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and i thought it is entertaining to see it play out

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> no xmr for you then, until you do the walk of shame of signing your own ccs request

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont wana

<c​t:xmr.mx> because geonic does not want Diego to get the job, and monerobull joked that he'd do it for 500€

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if i make one myself, i cant be critical of others anymore

a comment on the ccs is enough

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> that never stopped anyone here lol

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> not me at least

I’d like to see more CCS proposals that are for someone else’s benefit

if that person agrees to deliver (which is the case here)

there was also a CCS that selsta managed for an anon if I remember correctly

<c​t:xmr.mx> dont lie to yourself, its for your best intetest

<c​t:xmr.mx> dont lie to yourself, its for your own best intetest

it is, true

would help me sleep better at night

anon's ccs is still not collected btw

hm

200+xmr still chilling

The ccs was completed

pulled a plowsof on us

His code wasnt fully merged either. 7999 still open

Yeah. He did multisig too

he was here a couple months ago

add that to the 867xmr from 0mq that’s just sitting somewhere

It was stolen from luigi, but replenished

Monero FDIC

so we kept using the same wallet when we moved from the ffs to the ccs?

probably

Dont forget, when diego was paid from GF, they actually took the $ from the ccs wallet 💀

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Lol

they replenished it with gf, but thats skme messy shit for a ccs that cant even pay devs on time

Lmao, rotten trolling fr

This guy stays in dms asking how to use git

Geonic - look what you started

Lmao

36xmr to make plowsof babysit 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Rotten "trannie. Dwarf. Retard" wheel, wants to be a mod 🤣🤣🤣🤣

“It was stolen from luigi” <= no sign of a hack

more likely scenario is stolen by luigi or fluffy

Occam’s razor and all that

Plowsof: what was the total amount of outstanding xmr at the time the ccs wallet was drained?

Outstanding as in merged ccs proposals awaiting payment

just trying to figure out if this 867xmr was part of the 2500 or not

Why would fluffy steal it? Fluffy's not broke

Plowsof had a tracker

Purgatory ccs + active ones. Im pretty sure there wasnt an extra 900xmr

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> github.com/plowsof/scrape_ccs_fr/tree/main

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i am ffs wallet agnostic

Ok so the ffs is separate. Yay so we have an extra 867xmr sitting somewhere!

Maybe more

just have to find out where and hope that the big bad hacker didn’t take that too

Wait til GF gets swept

its been 10 months since CCS was swept

No way. binaryFate’s not broke

:p

the next help out the project proposal needs to begin exploring the + x.xx xmr/hr easter egg

To be honest, one of the things most sad about this, is that luigi seemed to indicate three tasks were required. 1) website and merges 2) modding, and 3) livening up the monero community again. The fact that 2 and 3 aren't offered either free of charge or at a reduced/fair market rate is disappointing, especially due to the symbiotic relationship between most of us and Monero itself. I can totally understand 1)

requiring a salary. Not sure it's worth 100k though.

Midi, didn't you see the ccs proposal to moderate a p2p trading room?

Brb ill grab the link

832 xmr

disclaimer: alot of that is chatgpt generated so dont spent too much time on the above proposal

However, if one of the main tasks is to implement this outstanding issue (monero-project/meta #921), it's definitely worth a salary, and diego is a notable (if not the only) candidate that could coordinate the community to a stable conclusion on the matter.

oh ignore my chatgpt comment, wrong one

I’d also hopef that we’d get some soft skills for free after spending $330k for Diego’s services

hoped*

midipoet: diego already confirmed that core is as disbanded as can be

Midi, it all starts with diego, or ofrn, or ofrn and diego being merged

See my comment

fire core and put a ceo in charge is a shitty solution

Not a ceo

plus I’d like to see an actionable plan if that’s what we’re discussing/funding here. not the case

were funding lowering cores duties

and distributing them amongst the community via a transition period

yes and deciding who we want to entrust with that

Nothing can be done as long as core is clinging on

I’m sure core would still control the domain

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> "OK. But what if you did it for free?"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Lol

don’t fool yourself

for the time being

Repo.getmonero isnt controlled by core

Neither is ccs.getmonero

diego: you not wanting to contribute your soft skills for free is a clear enough sign for me

Www is, as is lists.getmonero (16.04 lol)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I told you that I already do so

everyone else in this conversation is giving their soft skills for free

NILIF. Geo, not even your movie

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But not to the extent of what I'm offering that's true

Iv me given my soft skills for free for a long time and yknow what? Its not free. It literallt costs me money

Theres only so much one can sacrifice

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Do you just conveniently forget everything I say when answer your questions?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Questions you ask?

"yes"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Seems I waste my breath with the amount of times I answer you and you ignore what I say

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You want to know why I say no to working more for free?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Because literally right this second i have a two year old daughter on my lap trying to get my attention

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But I'm here talking with people who don't even care to remember my answers

yes and we’re taking food out of your daughter’s mouth by not approving this proposal

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And the only way that trade is worth it is to be compensated.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> No you're not you dingus

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That's not what I said

gtfo with the manipulation. I have a 5 month old and I’m wasting my time on you for no personal gain

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Theres no manipulation here. In saying why I'm charging.

and yes, we can bring up the same question more than once. just like midi did

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Soooo… whats new

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> How tf are you just constantly putting words in my mouth?

I’m saying out loud what you’re implying

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Anyone else making ccs for website

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Seriously dude. Cut it out. I didn't say anything about stealing food from my kid's mouth.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That's not the implication you doofus

<3​21bob321:monero.social> No personal attacks

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Coc violation

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The thing at a premium is my time

Diego, put the baby down and get to chatting

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I have work and make money elsewhere. I decided what it would be worth to take my time away from family and business. And given it's not much higher than plowsof rate it seemed reasonable.

We have bickering to do

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Your continued insistence to putting words in my mouth and being able to 'decode' what I'm 'actually' saying is extremely counterproductive and very frustrating

diego - it was, in fact, lower than plowsof

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ok so we have another match to add to pay-per-view

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Not a very professional thing to say. In this case you should perhaps seek proper employment.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I end up having to defend myself for things that were never said

Plowsof 80.07, diego 75

stop implying them and you won’t have to

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah, but plowsof rarely collects

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> there was no implication

what a disgrace, geonic has a mini me now...

I say: diego, raise to 110 and hire mb, me, rotten and anyone else who wants to FAFO

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I made a point with no subtext. The point was I charged what thought was worth taking my time away from my family to do Monero work

But rotten gets like 1xmr, cuz hes useless

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> you took this as an implication that I'm saying you're bad people for refusing cuz it'd let my daughter starve

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> these are not remotely the same thing

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds like the website department is getting bigger by the day

Dont stress it diego

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and that you double down every time instead of ever admitting you're wrong makes speaking with you impossible and a waste of time

You’re bringing up personal circumstances to elicit sympathy and I called you out on it

booooooo

stop playing the victim

Offtopic

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> holy fuck you're impossible

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> What is this drama about?

diego, raise to 110 and hire mb, me, rotten and anyone else who wants to FAFO

Geonic, you want in?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> geonic cant accept diego as a good human being

no

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> CSS would be spent in a better way if it was stolen again lol

Fk u stnby 😝

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> CCS would be spent in a better way if it was stolen again lol

stnby: vote so we can stop listening to diego’s groveling

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm literally answering concerns people raise

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and that's groveling

Idk why we have to pick one. Just need tk exclude rottens troll job and were good to go, imo

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> I vote to delete CCS you already know. I am not in support of the entire system

no one asked you about your daughter

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> there were comments about why I wasn't doing things for free

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I answered those comments about why

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the reasons for not doing things for free include my family

now lets get back to the subject at hand

we all have families and are doing things for free

Except rotten

Hes on 3 different fundraisers

lol rotten is shameless

+ a cake job

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 3 a charm

what a grifter

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> CCS is not for begging. I mean we also do shit for free. Ain't complaining about it.

a kunk for monerokon, ccs for revuo, kuno for revuo

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> What’s wrong with someone working? You don’t work ?

kuno*

Im broken. I dont work

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> wtf? I'm not begging. I have another job. I make money elsewhere.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I was asked by luigi to make a proposal to do some tasks. I thought about how much that would take and what it would be worth it for me to do

lolololol0

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You ask for 4k a month (12k EUR total) but the work description is really vague?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Except this one, this one is clear: Presiding over and helping along a Monero Website Workgroup to merge requests, keep it up to date, and do odds and ends of design and development

<s​iren:kernal.eu> But the rest, there's gotta be people willing to do this for a lot cheaper, if not straight up free:

<s​iren:kernal.eu> * Leading the moderator teams for Matrix and helping along with IRC

<s​iren:kernal.eu> * Being a leader in the Monero Community workgroup and helping that along as needed

<s​iren:kernal.eu> * Keeping a finger on the "pulse of the community" in the various chat rooms and platforms (Telegram, Discord, IRC, Matrix, Reddit, etc.)

<s​iren:kernal.eu> * Assisting plowsof as needed in CCS work (working under him for various tasks if needed)

<s​iren:kernal.eu> * Aiding and assisting in event work as needed

<s​iren:kernal.eu> * Utilizing my "soft skills" as needed elsewhere on the project.

Diego didnt even open the proposal because he wanted to

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I posted the proposal

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> how tf is this begging?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> `Keeping a finger on the "pulse of the community" in the various chat rooms and platforms (Telegram, Discord, IRC, Matrix, Reddit, etc.)` what the hell is this even

He opened it bcuz luigi didnt like mine

But luigi doesnt want to do the work, so he asked diego to do it.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Humans have a pulse, otherwise they are vampires

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Luigi doesn't want just ANYONE to moderate and lead that team.

people do perform those duties for "free", ahem, i mean so they can act like dictators and be accountable to nobody

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what about artificial heart?

Diego: i honestly dont care what luigi wants. I didn't vote for because i care about luigis opinion

For you*

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> He has preferences on how these things are carried out, and since the infrastructure is currently core-stewarded them's the rules

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I don't care what luigi wants

I voted because i think youll be a lot more impartial than luigi and the current power trippers

sounds a lot like the good ol” “I report to core not you”

deal with it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> nope, nice try though

geonic: I fail to see what the problem is, if all proposals are funding different end goals.

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Is GF going to fund this ccs ? If not let those ppl who donate think about if it’s worth paying

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'd report to the community. I'm just explaining why I was asked and not others

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Is GF going to fund this ccs ? If not, let those ppl who donate think about if it’s worth paying

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cyborg

Unless I were trying to hide one from another all I hear from you and ofrnxmr regarding multiple fundraisers is pure, attention-seeking, childish whining.

Duke, mr 474

You’re doing a bad job of reporting to the community so far by again *implying* that you’re the only person luigi would approve for this job

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What about mario

Youre the one trolling ccs ya dummy

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I can see with sithlord left

Diego do you have a spare physical picture of yourself by chance? I think geonic's wallet is craving one.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Why*

Whining? I said "diego, raise to 110 and hire mb, myself and rotten"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That is also not an implication. I am the only person asked by luigi to do this job to my knowledge

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> but I'd be reporting to the community what I do on a monthly basis

Problem solved

dave.jp: this affects us as merge powers to the website are being handed out. we’re deciding who we want to trust with those merge powers

Luigi can ask whoever tf he wants

I dont give a shit what luigi wants

I dont trist luigis decisions

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip luigi

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> meanwhile jeffro writing for a whole hour

I coincidentally trust the guy the guy that he chose

I trust monerobull more than diego so I opened the ccs for him. everyone is free to make up their own mind

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> geonic, the community doesn't get to decide who has those merge powers

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dont give up you can do it jeffro

lmao

"diego, raise to 110 and hire mb, myself and rotten"<< my vote

the good old diego is back

yes diego the community gets to decide. just like the community decided that you need to be fired

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this is a separate conversation than my proposal, but yes, if it's not clear, core is a BDFL

remember how that worked?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip write reciept

<j​effro256:monero.social> I personally don't think that Luigi should have a privileged say in which CCS proposals get merged/closed or not. If it really is true that Luigi closed ofrnxmr's proposal simply because he did not agree with it, then that was a big mistake and it should be re-opened. I also don't blame Diego for having a price for his time, and don't appreciate the trolling against him. As others<clipped message>

<j​effro256:monero.social> have pointed out, a lot of this "soft" skill interpersonal interaction work is willing to be done for free or much lower cost than Diego has proposed. As such, I would personally be fine with someone else besides Diego doing it, but no hard feelings there. As an additional note, Diego (and Cypherstack) do receive quite a few funds from the CCS (for good reason), and thus it could<clipped message>

<j​effro256:monero.social> be good to minimize favoring existing recipients for jobs which others can do

<j​effro256:monero.social> lol sorry for typing for so long

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> if the community decides luigi shouldn't have the powers, how is this enforced?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> With a stick

luigi told diego that he wants diego to deal with it

So i assume luigi will let go if diego steps up to deal with it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think luigi closed ofrnxmr proposal because otherwise it would have been left tipping into drama tea for a while

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> We spin our own fork Monero2.0

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> getmonero2.org

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this is correct

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That's basically it.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the current ecosystem, as stewarded by core, is run by them in a BDFL-manner

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Tho would you have the dev power and community behind your back. absolutely no

<s​iren:kernal.eu> monero2.com

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the only answer to people disagreeing is forking the community

stnby did u vote yet

@diego 9xmr to bull, 26 to me, 74 to diego, 1 to rotten = 110xmr

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Realmonero.com

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Well look at the basic dex one

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Collecting dust

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Realmonero com

<j​effro256:monero.social> Many things in the community are "enforced" through soft consensus. In my opinion, Luigi should act as a mediator with limited decision making capability. The fact that a single human can make merge/close actions by themselves is an artifact of the Gitlab platform and other human shortcuts. Ideally, there would be a more democratic way of making decisions and holding funds (AKA multisig)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Saying the community controls things when there's no enforcement mechanism is wishful thinking and naive.

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> I only donated like 20€ to CCS in my lifetime. I do not support the system. Our proposal was let to rot. So let the core decide. I ain't giving a vote.

saying "core" controks things is nonsense

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Multi sig soon™️

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Like, if we can 'get real' for a mniute. One of the reasons Monero is currently struggling so much is that the community can't force core's hand on merges and the like

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> so the website stuff gets left undone, payouts get delayed, etc

<j​effro256:monero.social> Diego: sometimes, but not always. It depends on if the community you are disagreeing with is amenable to discussing rational arguments. Ideally, we should not be forking over every small disagreement with the CCS

thats because of 2 people who dont care

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So why would luigi give power away then

<s​iren:kernal.eu> yea in this case always vote against core's opinion, because they do be corrupt /s

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> The most difficult is finding a balance between who is able to participate into the democracy and that is an unresolved question. A lof ot projects have failed in transitioning from BDFL to RFC for example

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This is a project where core listens to the community before acting, generally, when they're around to do so

They dont listen to community, that's nonsense

define “struggling so much”

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> but it doesn't mean the community is in charge. And believe me, I would prefer if the community is in charge

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> we can't even get updates to the website dude

They literally ONLY listen to community when they are on the same page

and that means Monero is struggling?

Aside from that, they just do their own thing and pretend to care about consensus

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Centralized ccs is actually bad, there needs to be a few more alternatives for funding ; monerujo did succeed getting funding their proposals, it’s a different thing that they didn’t finish everything yet 😅

Core is a zombie

Plowsof created monerujos funding platform

<3​21bob321:monero.social> As much as i like trying to de escalate( which is what mods should be doing) i have a life

Plowsof is also ccs coordinator

Zombie is better than overactive

Zombie as in dead

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Even he knows alternatives are better

Barelt functional

nah u just have to kick them hard enough and they move :p

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Job security

So the community doesn't get to choose who leads the workgroups?

Nah, you kick hard enough and they lost 400k

That seems. Well. Bizarre

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Sometimes is too slowwww

no, according to diego

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> Hey

Or you kick hard enough and ccs stays down for 4 months

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lol sometimes

Especially considering some core members have been involved themselves in questionable activities

he’s spent too much time with the shitcoins he works for

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> We also had cardboard ATM funded independently. If it was funded via CCS it would have never become a thing lol.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Please look at wallet investigation

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> workgroups that require core intervention (like merges) are functionally imptotent without core

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> they can decide every ilttle thing they want. If it never gets merged, what's the point?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Hey hey hey 😅 it’s all good my frnd, hope to see ios build

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just so i get this right. core is dead, people dont want core, but people realize they need core, and you guys can't agree on let things go and recreate a new core ?

yes which is why we’re now deciding who should have merge powers for the website

So basically it's 100k a year to maintain merge rights?

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> let's have a sidekick first

#voteofrn

Chosen by core?

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> I can take it.

$50k since it’s “part-time”

Fwiw my ccs is identical to diego's but ill hire mb and diego, and monero-docs

I always talk FTE

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> So we pay and get more of his attention ?

No. We stop wasting contributors time

Look, i don't know. Diego is good at what he does, but the CCS needs to more clearly state what he is gonna do

It takes like 1 hr/contributor of "wen pay" before they can get paid

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Sure he can define his role better

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Ig there is some small margin everywhere to clarify a bit more but soft skills goal can't necessarily be formalized.

Takes plowsof 12 weeks to merge a 4 week ccs mandate

Takes 2 months to notify community about being robbed

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> vostoemisio: Let's do a join CCS for complete getmonero.org rewrite.

Takes a month to merge a pr on -site

Stnby - there is a ccs for a new website

Spirobel doesnt like it

Go look comment and compete 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I love janaka's work ngl

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cant organise a piss up in a pub

If the website lead is chosen by core, any number of CCSs will fail

Luigi will always veto

So it's pointless

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The following is a serious suggestion then

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> issue is more that luigi is the only one in core than having a core imo. You can't just let anyone in the community have a vote, it'll quickly lead to disruption

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> fork the community

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> new website, new domain, yadda yadda

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> No

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> core is currently stewarding getmonero.org stuff

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> but getmonero.org doesn't have to be the only thing

binaryfate can join the new crew

-15

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Sure make additional websites

is that the rotten vote count? -15?

The community is already partially split. We have matrix zoomers, ofrnxmr apologists, and irc boomers

The matrix zoomers seem in denial that matrix is shit

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Diego Salazar: also where have you been for the past 2 years? I found these posts about your previous work

<s​iren:kernal.eu> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/o9v6nm…/statement_from_core_team_on_rehrar

<s​iren:kernal.eu> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/o0sura/an_open_letter_to_the_core_team

The ofrnxmr apologists, seem to require a martyr for their cause.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> working on Cypher Stack

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I'm asking because this section is actually not about you, it's about your coworkers

<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/TBCMHAcxOmDSLazvMyIPXDrH

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> making Stack Wallet

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Working for other coins / wallets and stuff , making a living I guess

And the IRC boomers don't understand NFTs or memes (or a host of other things DLT related).

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> these are my employees. Given we do work on and around Monero and other privacy coins, it's COI that needs to be disclsed

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> More bloat

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Siren: he resigned. redlib.private.coffee/r/Monero/comments/o322ds/resignation_plan

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Thanks to geonic's moronic recording.

disclosing it doesn’t fix it

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> iv.datura.network/watch?v=9PZkIteyyTM

when the COI disclosure is longer than the job description we’ve got a problem

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> - l.opnxng.com/r/Monero/comments/o0sura/an_open_letter_to_the_core_team

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> - l.opnxng.com/r/Monero/comments/o9v6…/statement_from_core_team_on_rehrar

just post the yt link dumdum

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Nope, never, dumbfuck.

midipoet what did i miss. Apologists? Hm?

be nice

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Yeah, your 19 other socks that will always claim you are the best support associate and you do a wonderful around!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ofrnxmr the lord and savior!

And martyr? Me? How? And what cause? Im super confused

<s​iren:kernal.eu> So the deed was discussed in private and luigi offered money in private. This CCS proposal is only there for formality.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Surprisingly all unknown handles. Coincidence.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Looks like, yes.

Rotten, yes. Saved your ass

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> he didn't offer me the money

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> he asked me to make a proposal, which I did because consider him a friend

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Find a new story or insult, please. The "I got your unban and wrote your response" has been reused 87 times by now... yawns.

its true, isnt it. Rotten?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> if the community is against it, it won't go through. He just asked me to make it

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Couldn't care less. Just get something new.

Didnt i write your response?

Tell the world, ya damn coward

And tell geonic that you asked me to attack him

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I didn't.

You didnt what? Tell me to attack geonic?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I don't know. I got better things to do. 👋

of course he did. rotten slid into my dms to apologize for being an idiot a few months ago. I accepted and then he asked me to apologize

lunatic

thats what i told you. That i dont have time for attacking ppl just cuz u want to stir up bs in the workgroup

Geo, same. Slid in dms and asked me to play nice with him, wanted me to call him like im his ex gf or some shit

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> TLDR why are we hating rottenwheel exactly ?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Nihilist [blog.nihilism.network]: They're secretly in love with me.

he’s a disturbed individual. we don’t hate him

^^ +1

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The lack of self-awareness is amusing.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Pair of clowns.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i mean he seems fine on my servers over on datura, so i dont really see what the beef is about lol

literally begged both of us for friendship

<s​iren:kernal.eu> i wish we all could be besties

While attacking us in public

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I like his overusage of the verb 'to beg'.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Maybe he privately likes begging his mistresses?

begggggeeedddd, i have the screenshots of you running to my dms to ask me to help you defend yourself 😂😂😂😂

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> That's how he gets to be a full-time heckler in public channels.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I am glad you are so obsessed with me you keep screenshots of our chats!

And of you pleading with sgp for unban

i guess you were obsessed with sgp?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So i will vote for who gets my “soon™️” label on the github

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> hate to rain on your parade but your beef sucks, i was hoping there would be some kind of a crusade going on against filthy bitcoiners but all i see is xmr enjoyer A fighting xmr enjoyer B, so shake hands and behave like real OG 200% testosterone men

Bob did u vote for website maintainer yet

#vote444

<j​effro256:monero.social> Who currently controls the server for getmonero.org ? Is it ercirccone?

No

Core, obv

thats what u thinm

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 777

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Make it equal for all

Core deploys www.

Oh, pigeons? Does cypherstack run our server?

Repo and ccs are diff ppl

I was sure we paid someone else for hosting

Lists.getmonero runs ubuntu 16.04

<s​iren:kernal.eu> vote2425

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> on a more serious note, ignore drama and move on guys, we're all a big family lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Build a bridge and get over it?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You must be new here

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Welcome sir

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cake pays for hosting i think that ddos the network

Why can't the CCS clearly state it's for website merge rights and website infrastructure management duties?

Because its for much more than that

It is was so simple it would be "website maintainer"

(the title)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Theres no infra management. That's done by Cypher Stack for free.

There is hardly 20 hours of website merging a week is there?

I just said its much more than merging website

what infra does CypherStack currently run for us?

matrix, for one

for free or otherwise

ofrn: define much more. what else is there?

example: meta, monero-docs (empty repo atm), ccs repo, bounties, leading moderation, helping structure workgroups, transparency reports, all of the things core drags their feet on and that plowsof has his hands tied and is overwhelmed with. << this is what im voting for. Not all "must-do", but a good starting point

this person will be merging ccs proposals as well?

it is on the website so makes sense

i'm asking for that.

maybe better to distribute that or make it a committee

Luigi tends to ignore community sentiment in cases like paying out mj when he clearly scammed us

Its currentky supposed to be community > plowsof + luigi

they’ll still be the ones making the payouts I imagine

But it goes community > plowsof > luigi 🚮 > luigi

make it a multisig wallet. rino maybe?

"they’ll still be the ones making the payouts I imagine" << luigi waa supposed to step down from wallet in march

2 of 3 required to spend - plowsof, mb and luigi

With a mlve to multisig

Rino doesnr work like that. Rino has a key

ok so plowsof mb rino

3/4 for donation wallet, 2/3 for payout wallet

No rino

why

cuz rino has a key

yeah but they need another to spend

doesn't that mean that plowsof and mb could run off with all the CCS money?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> rino is no real access control multisig

Or do we have hot and cold storage set up?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i could run off with all the monerokon money, no need to even collaborate with anyone

midi, yes, could run

midi: yes

Yes to what?

If its 2/3

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> We also had cardboard ATM funded independently. If it was funded via CCS it would have never become a thing lol. <<>> you're welcome

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> looks like 138 xmr rn

nioc 🥳

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> man im so trustworthy for not stealing that amiright

mb: u have access to it?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yea

We're going round in circles here. We need to know what the f ing role is that is required.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> bcs i do event stuff

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> like in the ccs you know

another point for mb

no, he is overworked

so let’s keep him unpaid

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i think it was around 400 xmr before

getting more trustworthy by the minute lol

so 262 is missing

.hmmm

haha

it’s in the ffs wallet with the other 867

midi: we know. web maintainer + matrix mod

the only people that the role are luigi1111 and rehrar. So, with all due respect, they should pull their finger out and describe it on rehrar's CCS, instead of wasting everyone's time as we all waste each other's time trying to figure it out. No wonder this place moves at glacial pace sometimes.

better if the matrix mod is given to someone who is willing to do it for free

geonic: it's not just that, obviously.

to avoid overworking for thankless tasks

There are merge rights and potentially key and wallet management rights

Given the indication on the CCS that rehrar will support plowsof

I include merge rights in the maintainer description

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet, rule n°1 of drama, no one figures out a drama

CCS is still unclear. luigi hasn’t indicated that he’s handing that over

syntheticbird: yeah, ok. Fair. But this drama didn't need to start, if the original CCS was just clear to start off with.

no way to avoid the drama :)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro i think the drama didn't need to start even if the original CCS wasn't clear...

maybe reduce a bit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no need to make drama out of genuine criticism

syntheticbird: yeah, ok, fair enough.

in this episode: hungry kids and slighted lovers

Diego loves Monero but does Monero love him back?

will the abusive husband be taken back by the lonely widow?

etc

midipoet: what are the odds that the CCS will be clarified?

I put it at 0.01

i think it will get clarified. Makes no sense not to

so let’s figure out the website first. one bite at a time

I dont think it needs to be clarified

Luigi wont give up powers unless he decides to

To anything, docs, site, ccs, nada. He'll give them to whoever he chooses or he'll keep em

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> CCS merging I don't think is part of it? Working under plowsof mostly means helping people either contact Luigi or putting proposals together and the like.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BDFL be like:

Shouldn’t that be a core decision and not a luigi decision?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> luigi is the only member left, I think that make no difference

Rehrar

21:04:55 <geonic> this person will be merging ccs proposals as well?

21:05:18 <geonic> it is on the website so makes sense

21:05:24 <ofrnxmr> i'm asking for that.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Geonic your insistence at the hungry kids thing is ludicrous. Stop immediately, please.

take a joke buddy

Helping ppl contact luigi is a 2x waste of communities time and money

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think he have other jobs than just helping ppl contact luigi just sayin

Ok, so luigi will maintain CCS merges. It's just for website update merges?

syntheticbird: bF is around. ArticMine too

Devs contact him themselves. Luigi isnt moving any faster by being prodded 21 people instead of 20

By* 21

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> My bad then. Hard to separate your actual willful misunderstandings from your joking ones.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sorry for getting heated earlier too btw.

No problem, livelihoods are on the line

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> They aren't, but sure.

(geonic was telling another joke there)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (i confirm, geonic was telling another joke there)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Plowsof ask chatgpt to make a geonic translator

btw, the more I think about it, the more I am OK with Diego charging whatever he wants for his soft skills. give mb the website and anything else that has actual responsibilities. win-win

funders will decide if he’s worth it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> WTF ARE WE ACTUALLY RESOLVING THE SITUATION

I said

110xmr Diego + mb + ofrn, yolo

(I confirm I was telling another joke there)

not the above tho, that’s serious

But we don't know whether Luigi will give mb merge rights for the website do we? plus, don't we want diego's design work for the site?

if Diego’s soft skills are so valuable, fine

He likely wont, but mb can help elsewhere probably

Merging plowsof's prs isn't such easy work

ppl arent even using the proper naming for prs

we have other designers so that shouldn’t be an issue

The merge rights is definitely an issue

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> "hey this is the general fund, we have put $60k towards this ccs proposal"

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Doesnt nonbinary deploy the website?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Merge for site means nothing

Deploy just = launches the code

<3​21bob321:monero.social> They dont affect each other

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its like we use github actions

the cant break things, can't run it like @monero with favoritism, can't be political.

Example: erc wanted to yolo list any wallet

Cryptogrampy wanted to separate full node wallets from litewallets

Erc didnt think removing moneroaddress.org was important

moneroaddress is shilling mymonero now? lol

the same mymonero that had perfect carbon copies all over the web that stole people’s xmr

it’s on brand

Yeah. It was supposed to point to the paper wallet generstor

And instead of just posting moos generator, erc edit it and removed moo's donation address and credited himself twice

And refused to upload diffs

who owns it now?

I thought moneromoo ran it

who knows. We remove it (its still in translation files)

The generator is hosted at getmonero.org/generator now

ah

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> neutral at first, but I gave it a thumbs down now because I dont like the cabal vibes. You mention in the proposal that this would make you accountable to the community. dont really see how. You win through this proposal in multiple ways besides the money. It also means more exposure and trust towards Stacks. I think it is great to have more wallets, especially if they are control<clipped message>

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> led by the community. But it is currently run more as a business venture similar to cake and not really as a community project. If that changes and if the accountability part becomes more clear it would be a clear thumbs up. But right now it is better to move forward with monerobulls proposal and search for more clarity on this one afterwards.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> neutral at first, but gave it a thumbs down now. I dont like the cabal vibes. You mention in the proposal that this would make you accountable to the community. dont really see how. You win through this proposal in multiple ways besides the money. It also means more exposure and trust towards Stacks. I think it is great to have more wallets, especially if they are controlled by t<clipped message>

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> he community. But it is currently run more as a business venture similar to cake and not really as a community project. If that changes and if the accountability part becomes more clear it would be a clear thumbs up. But right now it is better to move forward with monerobulls proposal and search for more clarity on this one afterwards.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Understandable and well-reasoned.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Stack is indeed not a community thing.

Diego has many hats and they never overlap

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> free ad hominem.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Sirs? monero-project/meta #923#issuecomment-2194105468

plus he’ll go back to holding no xmr so his judgment won’t be clouded

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hey geonic, gfy plz. Tks!

Dont u want to be a mod?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 🤷

Or are the downvotes starting to hurt your feelings

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Oh, I'm so hurt I'm crying in fetal position.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Vote 1 rotten for mod

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Jobs and growth

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Curious how people think you can decentralize github merges

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Requires 3 approvals

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Curious how [...] github.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> sorry down rn

i _would_ post the link while the site is down

Tldr: thats rottens post

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its lemmy software issue

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> server is fine

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Tldr: rotten vs ofrnxmr round in #monero-community

Rotten said no

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so sad

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lets crowd fund cdn for monero.town

montero town down

sorry 4 not scrolling

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> theres not a whole lot i can do here

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ive asked for help on matrix but town might be gone for the next ~12 hours or longer

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i believe it is only the webui that is the issue (as always)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so any other clients should still work

lmao someone deployed reddit bots to downvote mb/upvote rehrar

went from about 46v6 to 15v16 upvotes

dis u rotten

question: if this is all to assist Luigi, shouldn't Luigi be the one making the proposal? Then he can subcontract an assistant however he likes. But Diego making a proposal to "help Luigi" seems contrived to benefit Diego more than being something the project actually needs.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This is a good point.

That would be the same thing more or less with less visibility or community input

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But maybe people would just get mad if he did that and subcontracted me as it'd be behind the community's back?

I suppose the big difference is the responsible party. If Luigi receives money to carry out certain tasks, he's the one responsible for the outcome, regardless of who he might pay out of his own pocket along the way. I believe the issue with subcontracting behind the communities back is when said subcontractor is paid with community donations that

weren't specifically raised for that purpose, that nobody really took responsibility for.