<3​21bob321:monero.social> Looked in logs?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or ctrl alt defeat

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yea

<m​mxxx:monero.social> monero.town is down?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yes

<m​mxxx:monero.social> for how long?

midipoet site maintainer is at least 20~ hours a week (ercs 1st 3 month proposal for reference repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/111) . now the "improving localization process" point would now be more involved, and ideally encompass the entire 'translation coordinaotr' role which is was also running at 20hrs a

week repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/260

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> .

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i believe it's because of the last update, already asked the lemmy people but so far no real response

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this could take a while

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what does work is third party clients

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so if you install jerboa, you can use that

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it's only the web-ui that has issues

after netrik(translations coordinator) didnt continue anymore, erc had to then set up his own instance of weblate (translation web ui) and handle that (voluntarily) for over a year iirc.

<m​mxxx:monero.social> ah, gotcha

<m​mxxx:monero.social> my phone is off the next few hours

<m​mxxx:monero.social> once i turn my phone on all hell breaks loose

<m​mxxx:monero.social> so it's off until i'm ready to deal with the world

due to this situation, translations on site are not updated or not pushed from our (offline) weblate. i recently started updating what we have, and i could spend 12 hours a day for about a month and i'd have finished the bulk of it i think lol

the actual tasks for 'fixing' the above are mainly* ctrl+f / replace grunt work. but, i made sure to create some github CI workflows / do things bit by bit via public comits to help/on-board the next person

now, moving forward, weblate (when online) has options to integrate AI (be it suggestions, or auto complete with 'please confirm'), ok thats just a brief tldr of 'site maintainer position' atm

now, it is my understanding, i have not confirmed this with luigi or diego, but this could be interpreted as diego actually performing the roles in some capacity with the end goal for finding / on-boarding the best person for that task who can dedicate more hours, because, "half time" can not possibly fill all these roles, this is something i

personally struggle with

so we're putting 40 hours a week into 1 bullet point of a half time position

final report on my ccs: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/371#note_25187

<c​t:xmr.mx> thanks for the update, its certainly interesting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Dan Miller thx for fixing the instance

plowsof: thanks for the info. So basically everyone is overworked and underpaid.

We should start a Union

under these circumstances, the project suffers, but the individuals who contribute benefit vastly. we can constantly, incrementally, increase our hourly rates/request more compensation from donors as we take on more and more responsibilities

things are achieved slower this way

on-boarding new contributors to correctly fill these tasks should be a priority instead of for example, me claiming to be working 5 jobs and i deserve more now

geonic: cool report, and congratulations on the awards and all the audiences reached

Also. Fair play to Vik, as co-producer, for funding any shortfall.

Look forward to the next film!

LIMIE2EE

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> I'm underworked and overpaid 😅

xmr-family: so am i.

re-reading "benefit vastly" -and i take that back, after hearing from some devs what theyre going through due to this - it would be a monetary gain*

see, i even put dashes where they aren't required.

plowsof: are you saying that the job is indeed 20 hrs / week? if so with the increased rate of mb's CCS of 3 xmr/month he is up to $6/hr 0_o

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Give him $7.25 an hour. Total should be $1,740? 20 hours a week, 3 months. But no higher than $7.25 can't be making him rich /s

if there is no translations coordinator then website maintenance is 40 hours a week

for at least the first month, translations have been neglected for so long. AI translations / suggestions through weblate could reduce that though. site maintainer could have "migrating everything to hugo or some other platform because reasons" on their todo list, alot to review also. depends how many hours you want dedicated there really... site

maintainer lite mode is probably 1~ hour a day if you just want to ask people to squash / pls only edit the english version / pick a relevant commit title

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> What's the storage requirements currently for running a full node? I'm trying to get the CLI wallet running, but it requires the daemon to run in the background and I already ran out of storage lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> like 200 gb

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you can start that with a remote node probably

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> If you want a pruned node its approx 80gb, but you need a ssd, otherwise it will take forever

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Thanks, I have an ssd/nvme I just needed to know how much to partition lol. Big difference between 500GB and 3TB :D

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it doesnt grow that quickly

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> maybe calculate with 30gb a year

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Word. Thanks

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> While I'm at it.... Do I need to concern myself with firewall ports? Everything seemed to work without opening anything specific.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> only if you want to

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> in torrenting terms, right now youre leeching. you need to open ports to be able to seed

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Is there a doc that I can reference?

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Not super concerned about privacy at the moment honestly

<r​ucknium:monero.social> monerobull: Not completely true. You can send blocks to new syncing nodes when your ports are closed. But you are less likely to be connected to a newborn node if you have incoming ports closed.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/DHbhGYIFgcstlQDVJyTrvzcN

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Nice, thx

<r​ucknium:monero.social> The Dandelion++ privacy protocol doesn't fully work well when ports are closed, too.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> This may help: monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…oming-connections-open-firewall-por

<r​ucknium:monero.social> And monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…tween-incoming-outgoing-connections

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> blog.nihilism.network/servers/monero2024/node.html got this little documentation for setting up a public monero node

<r​ucknium:monero.social> monerobull: That table isn't really correct. Check the monero.stackexange answers ^

<r​ucknium:monero.social> You are sharing blockchain data with other nodes even if you have ports closed

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Isn't that a technically

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Isn't that a technicality

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> You're also seeding while downloading a torrent but that doesn't mean you keep sending after :P

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Incoming/outgoing just means who _initiated_ the connection. It's in the stackexchange answers. AFAIK the only major difference is how the stem phase in Dandelion++ treats incoming and outgoing connections.

+1 what ruck said

Its only abt who initiated the connection

But 1 extra caveat - you can only connect to a subset of nodes. You cannot seed to nodes who also are configured like yours (with no incoming)

You a node that doesnt allow inc can only connect to node who do allow inc

If* you run* a node

<x​mrscott:monero.social> I'd be willing to pickup being translations coordinator as my academic background is linguistics, but that requires the Weblate infrastructure to be up consistently and functional

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Digilol might be willing to host it

<x​mrscott:monero.social> I'd be willing to pickup being translations coordinator as my academic background is linguistics, but that requires the Weblate infrastructure to be up consistently and functional. Edit: I've also been the one in the workgroup telling folk what files to PR over GitHub as a workaround for the project Weblate instance being dysfunctional for the last year

tx midi!

+1 for xmrscott to do translations

anhdres would be a good candidate for that as well if he’s interested

Maybe he can focus on Spanish and xmrscott on Japanese and some others. Divide and conquer

we just need the main languages not everything under the sun imo

Plus as far as I remember netrik’s feedback was that we need paid translators (or human reviewers of AI translations) since he wasn’t able to motivate unpaid ones

Weblate has nice ai features built in

Let’s pay people to own certain languages/areas instead of a coordinator who then has to go out and find the people with those particular language skills

seems like a better ROI

<x​mrscott:monero.social> I would heavily discourage and personally recommend disabling AI if it's used for translation. The models suffer from the ouroboros effect and not enough data. This can be seen in papers like "A Shocking Amount of the Web is Machine Translated: Insights from Multi-Way Parallelism" accepted by the Association for Computational Linguistics

<x​mrscott:monero.social> arxiv.org/abs/2401.05749

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> kinda off-topic but this is exactly the primary plot of Matrix (the movie)

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> basically, machines need constant flow of "creativity" of humans, else they start "inbreeding"... that's why they enslaved humanity

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> this concept was deemed too complex for general audience, so they changed it to "humans as batteries" instead

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I thought the plot was to find neo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The guy rarely does his admin job here. Why would you give him that job

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I swear this week i am living in the real matrix

neromonero1024: interesting, never knew that

he sucks at moderating. maybe he’s better at translating

did u vote for a web maintainer yet bob/dan?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe i should create a css too

<c​t:xmr.mx> so is the moderating job passed on to mb then? I mean in case your/his proposal gets trough?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I always see you around but not sure what you do

u can be in charge of english-to-english translations

<g​rop3r:matrix.org> Sad part about the matrix is you have to plug back in

ct: asking me? up to the generalissimo (luigi)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe i should create a css too <<>> may I suggest that you start with a ccs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Neg

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Free stuff

but yes my proposal is for web maintainer + mod to go to mb. mb should be free to assign other mods as well

<c​t:xmr.mx> yeah asking you geonic. And I know you can't decide but just wanted to know your thoughts and if thats something related to your proposal

matrix mod*

<c​t:xmr.mx> I was a second to late, thanks for clarification

yes it’s the second point in the job description

np

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wasnt the ccs for web maintainer, where did mod come from?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Mission creep

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you need to justify a 100k salary somehow

I think people should be free to pay diego for his soft skills if they’re deemed valuable. I’m against luigi/core giving him any position of authority as he’s abused it before

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> How and when did Diego abuse his position of authority?

he’s literally the only person who has ever been fired in monero’s history

sold our ccs to firo

had a number of conflicts of interest (which he continues to have). at least this time he’s upfront about it

again, geo, you don't know where seraphis and triptych came from

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Thanks to your lack of principles, indeed.

They didn’t come from diego, that’s for sure

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Do you have an invoice and receipt where he explicitly "sells" the CCS to Firo?

and they still haven’t come so… not sure what the point is

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> tryptich is a meme

he admitted to it. he was paid to do work for firo and just copy-pasted our ccs

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> seraphis even more so

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> kayaba had to come in and do literally everything seraphis does by himself and throw FCMPs on top

then he said he’s not accountable to the community

they are memes because people like geo think monero did something

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> That was a license problem.

the only person who has ever said that, ever

And fcmp doesnt do what seraphis does, but what jamtis does

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Accusing Diego of "selling" our CCS to Firo is one of your most retarded and false accusations I've heard so far.

and this guy will be our representative in the high echelons of power

seraphis and jamtis are 2 different things

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> But you excel at those. Not surprised.

rotten: that was the official reason he was fired

read core’s statement

Core threw him under the bus

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Nah.

crawl back to your hole now and let the adults talk

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Core are bus drivers too?

Core should have been fired, but instead you blame the scapegoat (and the researcher)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Keep fucking yourself.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Looks like!

Yes. Fluffy hired him surreptitiously and didn’t take any responsibility

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Management 101

I never blamed sarang for anything, ever

That was just their line of defense. “Geo is being mean to sarang”

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> This garden gnome claims he sold CCS to Firo, when asked for proof, steps back a little and says he was getting paid to do work for Firo, literally copy pasted it and that is how he "sold" it.

Who was it that wrote the hit piece against triptych

A hit piece against a meme? Wut

Or against the ccs for it

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Now Triptych is a meme too!

you’re changing the subject

the subject here is diego’s mercantile behaviour

and that he can’t be put in a position of authority again because of it

Triptych evolved into spark and seraphis

no it didn’t

says you

<c​t:xmr.mx> subject is behavior that goes against community. Its not personal

literally nothing in common. Seraphis was koe’s baby

ct: thanks

I don’t dislike diego personally. I think he’s an excellent gun for hire and should be used as such

seraphis is *ahem* an "abstraction" of firos work

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the firo ccs thing is also rather silly

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 1. It was always meant to be licensed FOSS. We all know that. That it wasn't was my mistake.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2. I didn't use my core hours to do the work.

In addition to the multiple conflict of interest concerns raised by the community, we uncovered the following after "An open letter to the core team":

We note that the initial commits were made on December 16th, 2019. We invite the community to make their own investigations and conclusions regarding the copyright infringement of the content and code in the Monero CCS front and back end, as a result of these Firo commits.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 3. When I spoke with several people about the fact that Firo was forking our CCS (and didn't withhold that I was doing the work) people thought it was pretty cool that we were making tools that could be used in the FOSS community at large

You were fired for copyright infringement of monero’s code

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Anyone could've stolen the CCS platform, that Firo did first and was the one we noticed is coincidence. The rest is all bs thrown around by this dwarf.

feel free to rewrite history as much as you’d like

i thought ccs was foss

ofrnxmr: it wasn’t at the time

well thats kinda cucked

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> It was public domain. Had no license.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> positing the history that I 'stole' the code is sensationalized in light of literally everyone know it should have been FOSS

Should have been but wasn’t. You were fired for it.

regardless - if it wasnt foss, ask the devs why they cucked ccs

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> true

A part of rehrar's role was to keep his finger on the pulse of the community and the project, aiming to know and report to the Core Team anything that might be of interest or concern to the Monero project at large. We note that at the end of December 2019, during the 36C3 congress in Leipzig, Germany, rehrar had the opportunity to speak in person

with three members of the Core Team, and no mention was made regarding the Firo commits. Unfortunately, we feel that a similar pattern occurred with many of the community concerns where a proactive approach of bringing all these facts to us in a prompt and clear manner was not taken. The culminating example of this was rehrar securing a one year,

full-time contract for sarang with another project, which we only discovered very recently. We consider this pattern to have been a breach of trust, and a direct contradiction with rehrar’s role.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> if the code had been properly FOSS licensed would it have been an abuse of power?

“ We consider this pattern to have been a breach of trust, and a direct contradiction with rehrar’s role.”

End of story. This is Core’s statement.

tl: core are a bunch of shitbags

They paid diego behind your back, then blamed him

Rofl

At least the person who did that has resigned now

Core-uption

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Core's culminating example, the linch pin, as it were, was something I wasn't going to force sarang to do.

Core is short for core-uption

Stop manipulating

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yes, core threw me under the bus for a lot of things that were initially their idea.

own your mistakes and move on

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'll stop when you stop

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and when will you own yours?

or is it a character trait?

<c​t:xmr.mx> talking about Foss licenses, how does it come that you are looking for buyers to license your movie to, while the CCS clearly states work must be licensed permissively at all times?

geo, youre selling the movie?? Am i remembering wrong, or didnt you say youd give it to everyone fkr free after oscar run

<c​t:xmr.mx> pointing fingers while doing the same shit yourself stinks

It’s a marketing campaign, I didn’t fund my movie with the ccs. This was discussed multiple times

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Remember when you made a reddit thread telling the community that the reason Triptych wasn't moving forward was because he was working for other projects? When the reason that particular CCS wasn't moving forward was we found something that was a worthwhile stopping point for the community to discuss whether or not it should be moved forward with at all?

Bcuz doing so beforehand waa against rules

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And then instead of owning up to that mistake you doubled down and said "well it resulted in people looking for other researchers so it (the misinformation) was worth it"?

I made a reddit thread to point out that while we’re “waiting for Godot”, sarang was working on Firo

and it was the truth

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> cuz I certainly remember

Is that the deleted reddit post?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> that they shouldn't wait for sarang was possibly true but that's not all you said

What else did I say?

I’m sorry I deleted that thread now. Is it archived

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> you said the reason why people were still waiting on that CCS was because Sarang is doing work for other projects

Why'd you delete it

ofrnxmr: people being butthurt over it

Sounds like you were the one butthurt, otherwise why delete it?

We had enough drama at the time?

it was deleted a long time after, wasnt it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> In addition, I have owned up to the CCS mistake. I should have made sure it was licensed correctly before forking it.

diego: I said that while we’re waiting for that CCS, Sarang is doing work for other projects

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> In addition addition, I have owned up to the fact that the contract was right to be terminated at that time for a variety of reasons

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I have openly said all of these things

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> last time and this time

Do you admit to breaching the community’s (and core’s) trust, as they have said?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I think several particular points people are pushing are a bit silly and pedantic, but that doesn't mean I was right

Core breached communities trust

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yet still in charge

You don't agree, geo?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> A lot of sheep here

that’s how monarchies work

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> also kind of silly given I insisted several times over the years that we go public with the community with core not being thrilled on the idea

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and only my final insistence got me a "do what you want" thing that started this whole shabang :P

diego: Do you admit to breaching the community’s (and core’s) trust, as they have said?

duh. Core is short for corruption

Core breached

ofrnxmr: pls

Diego was an employee, just doing his job

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Like in the real world if you lost a lot of money and cant prove you got hacked= fired and referred to police

he didnt work for community, he worked for the sheeps shephard

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Here they give them the wallet back

Diego was purportedly fired for breaching the trust of his employers. I’d like to know if he admits to that or if Core is misrepresenting the facts.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> For Sarang? No. For The FCS it was a mistake. If that constitutes breach of trust, yes. Otherwise, no. For not volunteering that I was employed by core (it was an open secret) at their suggestion, community yes, core no.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Although I remember a conversation with a core team member and a few others regarding Firo and they didn't care. Could be misremembering because it was some time ago.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> but since I can't provide proof it's inadmissable

I’m noticing a few yeses there. Bottom line is trust was breached and you were fired.

why should the community forget that and put you in a position of authority now?

he was fired becsuse core was doing damage control and needed a scapegoat

no, he was fired because people wanted him fired

Not because of what diego did with ccs's code

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this is partially the truth

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Doesnt fit his narrative ofrn

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Jobs and growth

Ikr. Geonic - are you jealous that luigi liked diego more than you or smthn?

<c​t:xmr.mx> you wanted him fired

Cuz im pretty sure luigi likes you too

No, I never sucked up to luigi or tried to ingratiate myself with core

He sure as hell jumped to make exceptions for your ccs

and I’m not technical enough to do that job, so again no

which is why I support mb doing it

Half up front milestone requesr, first time contributor

But anonero was told the opposite

stay on topic please. I said I was going to run a campaign and I did it. I showed receipts. How many ccs’s have done that?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You should should that

we’re still waiting for diego’s transparency report

the foss ones? How do they show receipts

They didnt raise money to lay for their hobbies

fluffy could show receipts for where the $500k coral reef funds went

Pay*

Another scam

Stay on topic

i am on topic

why do you want an untrustworthy person in a position of trust again?

Core betrayed community when they merged your non-foss ccs

I voted ofrn, remember

You’re not the community

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 🍿

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> because the consequences of that "untrustworthiness" like...weren't anything?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sarang wasn't coming back anyways?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Monero still has the CCS?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> like wtf did I do with my power?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I used my power to get sarang BACK working on Monero after I was let go

Wheres erc

it was a huge morale sap diego. People felt betrayed that someone who they thought was a volunteer like them was actually an employee. Yes this was core’s mistake and not yours. Doesn’t change the fact that you were being duplicitous with the community (whether at core’s request or not is irrelevant)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This is the only real accusation that sticks with me, yes.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> on a personal level

idgaf

How about you ask "who else"

Fuckin tip of the iceberg

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> My conscience is somewhat assuaged by the fact that I fought for it to be open, but not fully.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This is the thing I will admit to.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I could have insisted. I could have demanded. But I didn't.

Core all got rich by being volunteers, rigt?

See how you were able to be upfront about CypherStack receiving 15 xmr from the GF? Not that hard

Why don't you ask "who else was on the payroll"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yes because I'm a different person geonic. Not completely different, but grown a bit.

You could’ve just said it. You weren’t kept in a basement with tape on your mouth. Let’s not dramatize

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Learned the consequences of secrets, even when employers insist.

diego: people dont change

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I did say it to people who asked.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And pretty much everyone in IRC knew

Learn from miatakes? Sure. Change? Nah

I say let’s hire diego for his soft skills and use him as needed. Merge rights = no.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> holy shit man, I'm admitting to things and yoou're calling it dramatizing

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> once again, you're impossible

merge rights for site? Or ccs? I dont think he wanrs 2 do ccs

no merge rights, anywhere

Well then who's gonna help plowsof

He can be a mod on a volunteer basis if he wants, don’t care

Its head* of moderation team

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> you get your way and you only use it as further ammunition

Moderator of moderators

Not dtd mod

And if not diego, then imo plowsof should be moderator of moderators

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Since when does geonic assign tasks to people around here? Lmfao.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Delusional garden hobbit.

you know what they say about a man with big feet

White your infatuation with short ppl. Fetish?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> How do i apply to be ceo?

Merging something to site still requires it to be "deployed" by core

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Submit your CCS proposal today!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Why do you quote "deployed"?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> aight I'm out. Said my piece. Seeya.

Doesnt diego run the infra that the deployment is hosted on anyway

plowsof: and it requires the DNS provider to propagate…

and the NSA to approve the traffic :p

s/run/manage

So let’s just hire anyone to do the job for us. Cloudflare will fix it.

Cloudflare blocks ppl from using ssh over tor with repo.getmonero

diego: thanks for admitting that you breached trust. Appreciate your belated truthfulness.

peace

geonic. Is it true that youre a hobbit?

If I get a free house in New Zealand I’ll identify as a hobbit

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I admitted that breached community trust, but that's murky. And breached core trust, but the situation was silly.

Rotten mentions short ppl so much that im wondering when hes going to start to insult sone of our shorter members

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Gotta pop back in to say that or geonic gets his "Diego admitted to everything" which didn't happen

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> as he is wont to do with his misinformation and other such nonsense

.bbl :D

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Why? Do you keep a tally on short people in the community?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> .bbl indeed

brazilian booty lift?

“ I admitted that breached community trust, but that's murky. And breached core trust, but the situation was silly.” <= thanks

youtube.com/watch?v=AF2MqFnPotc bbl @plowsof

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> lolol

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> geonic will use this quote without all of the preceding context

diego needs 4 pages of context to justify his behavior

Its going to be an AI meme in a few moments

and a list of COI’s that’s longer than the job description

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> geonic distills complicated history down to a ten second soundbyte

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> two sides of the terrible journalism coin

he’s the best person for the job. Hire him now.

hes not a journalist, thats rotten

Geonic is a director*

Make a movie!!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Director. Psssh.

i wanna see a docu-series on monero history

If someone can come up with longer list of COIs, hire them instead

ofrnxmr: thought about it

Why didnt you do it

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> A dozen shitty Twitter clips, 9 drama-filled rants and nonsensical accusations and an indie movie that didn't get even an award at the local movie theater, let alone a grammy.

Don’t think I can stomach another ccs

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> That's geonic's community contributions. What would be of us without his presence and help?

Wait till we dig up the 867 xmr from the ffs. You’ll thank me then :)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Worth mentioning, the movie doesn't mention monero at all. Just a physical thingy, in an unofficial trailer, used to lure CCS donors in.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> And he talks about being sleazy. 😂

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> "Director" 😂

Not defending geonic, but aside from a bullet pointed "blog" (so-called newsletter), what are rottens contributions. Shouldn't throw stones from a glass house

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😂😂😂

I was active in the Outreach workgroup back in the day. MC’d 2 days of MoneroKon last year and 1 day of Monerotopia. Helped make “Monero Means Money” with Justin. Helped bring people like Justin Berman to the project. Where have you contributed exactly?

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> I can keep the Spanish version updated, yes. Specially once I finish the illustrations for monero garden

Beautiful

lol, outreach.

MMM is just Daniel's talk with a couple extra slides and credits, lol.

been laughing since the director thing. thanks, lol.

Invited Dr. Daniel Kim to speak about Monero to the largest Rotary club in LA

W O W!

Dukenukem cant name anything he's done

Shortest list in the room

Must be why he dislikes short people

<c​t:xmr.mx> geonic list a bunch of things he did in the past, then turns around as asks "what did you do _recently_"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Nihilist [blog.nihilism.network]: i'm sorry for making fun of your 180 character password. i have a 33 character password and now i cant play the new anime gacha game

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/zamVLGDRPlxwUfnZrFJDpWqM

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> lol yea it happens

Happybirthdaytoyouhappybirthdaydearhunter2happybirthdaytoyou

hiphiphooray for extra entropy

ct: where did I write “recently”?

I’m asking rotten to list one productive thing he’s done in his life. Doesn’t have to be related to monero :p

<s​trawberry:monero.social> even PayPal used to have a 30 char limit

These are the interview questions i have nightmares about

<c​t:xmr.mx> my bad, missread

<c​t:xmr.mx> long day, did only pay half attention, sry

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Btw for real, most of my passwords are 255 chars long, if not I just go with whatever is the limit on the service

My passwords are "255charslong" or "sometimesless"

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ChaCha

ct: np. I’m not listing stopping the bleeding of the GF since some people liked it that way

geonic is our hero!

geonic for president!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lol bleeding GF

<3​21bob321:monero.social> GF is hodl

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Neva sodl

They did fund the mrl with 666xmr recently

so not sure about that. Also can’t hodl if bleeding

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Pre organised

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What else

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You saw this in transparency report?

ccs comment by bF

FCMP donation

But they only did this cuz they had like 3000 xmr donated to them at the same time

Net = gF grew

Honestly, i didn't count. Maybe more like 5000xmr donated to GF

what's a few thousand xmr between friends

some teslas

Monero.com

Almost 7k monreo that month monero.observer/1000-xmr-110k-usd-a…ymous-donations-monero-general-fund

Less than 10% went to r&d 😂😂😂

Blame diego

they're saving it for him

I identify as diego

rotten: i don't mean to be a dick, but i distinctly remember you being a piss poor volunteer at monero events in the past, so i don't think you are in a position to talk down to geonic's event contributions.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Of monero lol

Oh, almost forgot. together with midi (& others) helped stop getting this workgroup turned into an LLC controlled by sgp, nm90 and diego

midipoet: nitpick: not event contributions, community/overall contributions. but whatever.

good old times (:

geonic: yeah, effectively killing -community.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Need a community notice board for all the please fund me

God bless your admirable crusades. We lost multi-year volunteers because you upheld them to your strict parameters!

Hopefully we'll get more XMR movies in the future!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rambo 15

lol

Rambo Monroe 15.

I would definitely pay to see an XMR movie

A sci fi, would be fucking cool, i reckon

Maybe use some of rbrunner7's shorts as jumping off point.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rambo hides in the wilderness with his xmr node

don't give the best-seller XMR director more ideas!

soon he'll deliver not a grammy but also a guinness!

imagine that $10 mil CCS raise

It's an oscar and a Murphy's that we want rotten. Get it right, man.

midipoet: wtf is a Murphy's?

he didn't even get an award at a garage, indie festival. smh.

"Forbidden"

same.

ha

ofrnxmr: what's othe's twitter @? can't find it

midipoet: ew, stouts are...

Othe's?

geonic: here you go, donkey. x.com/O80925253

core guy

Though, they have gone all zoomer with their branding now and it's black and pink. I think it's pretty hot, to be honest.

nitter: xcancel.com/O80925253

midipoet: stouts are a shitcoin.

As you should know rotten. Beauty is in the eye of the bag holder.

as we all should know.

Monero: how to master bag hodling for dummies.

is rotten back on his irc account. thankfully I can ignore him there

To be honest, the regulators are making diamond hands out of all of us. Fucked if i know how to fire up haveno to cash out.

XMR price is 0.00276503 BTC with +0.00(+1.95%) daily change. ATH was 0.03475393 BTC 6 years 5 months 24 days ago. Price changed -92.04% since ATH.

ATH = 6 years 5 months 24 days ago.

lol

imagine hodling any XMR.

geonic: yeah. he is.

your problem is that you hold xmr. it clouds your judgment

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Imagine using it as a currency

never

it's an employment opportunity

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Go use trocador and sell your shitcoins otc, too many ways to dump things you don’t think have no use

I only like centralized shitcoins that can afford to pay me without going through a community discussion first

oh wait that's what happened here too :p

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Are you talking for someone 😂

> As noted in the previous update, we qualified through theatrical exhibition and were one of 187 short films in competition for the Oscar. Unfortunately we did not make it to a nomination.

😢

<ofrnxmr> I identify as diego

> All in all, our film went to 17 festivals and received 6 awards.

At least he's best director... somewhere.

brb, I need to open a ccs for $2k and threaten to stop monero research if not funded

lol.

rotten seems to be the art critic of our generation. Himself and ofrnxmr should start a magazine and a film festival. Good money in both.

Why would i do that

There is no way in earth (or hell) I'd ever work, let alone hold a dialogue with ofrn.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> we are all diego on this blessed day

diego day

Lmao, says the guy with like 40 chats opened with me

The eve before independence

where is xeagu to lead our sermon :)

#IStandWithDiego.

Who asks me to call him

#WeAreAllDiego.

Except rotten

are we working here?

Rotten is not diego

Everyone is on strike

nioCat: who am I and where's my overall?

Too low wages

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> #notmymaintainer

except for plowsof midipoet

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> #DiegoForPresident

Plowsof is not allowed to strike. Essential worker

dukenukem: yes, where is my horse?

And midipoet, rotten already has a magazine

Up his nose I'd say

lol.

I'm not the one who snorts horse tranquilizer... cough cough...

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I had another idea for monerokon

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Monerokon deathrace

but i m slo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Around prague

mad max style?

seems a slight escalation

I stayed about a 45 minute walk away, walked a different route every day

usually making it longer

no 5 star hotels near the venue

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats so i cant follow you

dukenukem: yes I remember this channel being built up and then turned into a ghost town because of principles that had no practical significance

<3​21bob321:monero.social> imdb.com/title/tt0452608

how many movies has that guy made? lol

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 💯 nioCat but the hobbit was beating his chest as if that was one of his "contributions". 😂

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ...which was backed by the well-known Monero Outreach actors that never got behind a microphone because muh anonymity and now run a monerooutreach.org site that lands a visitor with a blank page! 😂

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lovely monero community member that geonic, let me tell you.

you think not turning this channel into an LLC is what led to it becoming a ghost town?

since our strengths are our weaknesses then nobody is without fault, acceptance of others that have a common goal is needed

true

didn't it result in core taking over the channel and we know how involved they are :)

nobody else stepped up

yeah, core took over and hired rehrar who was effectively in charge of it

so keeping it alive was likely part of rehrar's job description. now they want to bring him back to finish the job he didn't do then

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😂 Wtf.

you are misrepresenting things again

how

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> corruption at core team level?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ^^

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> He always does the same bs. Fuck him.

are you saying that Diego killed the channel?

I'm saying that he led the meetings in this channel while he was employed by core

or was it removing the people who made it what it was?

people come and go all the time. sgp got to run his non-profit, which is what he wanted and nm90 disappeared

it was all the contributors in the channel who made it what it was. it was a different time

not those 3

but it died as soon as they left

is that true?

like immediately

I think it coincided with the start of the bear market which is generally when people lose interest

it happened litterally from one day to the next

this is still one of the most active of all channels

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> CCS should startup new projects that directly improves Monero, but not fund to sustain them.

it has become so because off topic has moved here :D

(:

lol

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> protocol level improvements are exception

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Anyways, what happened with Thunderosa, xmrhaelan and almutasim?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> They all ded?

moved on, like nm90 and others

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Nioc should know. He's always here.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I remember thunderosa

they didn't quit because core took over the channel

yes, imma just a brain in a jar :D

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Remember Jaquee?

nioc is our Stan Lee, the one above all

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> which channel? here?

this channel

diego yes

I remember jaquee too

even jaquee_ remembers jaquee

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Remember cameronruggles?

he's still on twitter

yeah cameron is still active on twitter

diego do you think I am senile?

campfire time y'all, gather 'round

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> el00ruobuob

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 'Member?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I remember wolf

O+1 hiring diego for his soft skills

does he still post furry porn in pools?

without the O

bbl I'm off to a boating accident

don't let the boating btc maxis hurt you

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Remember erciccione

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Oh shoot. lh1008

what about monero church

never went :D

BLASPHEMY

yes and apparently erciccione remembers you :D

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Xeagu was certainly a person that was here once upon a time

he also remembers me

everyone remembers you

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Indeed. He came back from beyond the stars to ree and then left again

guess even tft knows you :D

nioc is tft

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> DaveyJones has also been around for a long time.

the wise old man, always lurking in the background

diego canvassing votes now

hire him already. he's the best bullshitter we've got

nioc can't be tft - he would have listened to his cats

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It's nice how when geonic is around the conversation always comes back to me.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> My own personal hype man

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> //quiet geonic

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Multi-year obsession.

i m not tft

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Got one look at my hair and never looked back

although every day is Thanksgiving

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Oh and snipa

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Once upon a time he had merge powers

qanon represent - or sth ?

only for a short while

re merge powers

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ye

anyway who wants to hear old people talk about the old days lol

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Fun days. Defcon. C3

monero keeps growing, many good people now <3

it’s nice how people come back around when there’s something to be gained

luigi should make more offers

diego: are you ok with this job being split between u and mb? he merges and mods, you do the soft skills

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I been around geonic

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Been doing things for Monero

lead the campfires, etc

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But once again bringing the convo back to me at every turn bro

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> We was taking other things

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Talking*

I’m looking for a resolution

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The man is on a mission

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I dunno dude. Ask Luigi. I made this thing because he said it would help him and he asked me to.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I do know he's not looking to give just anyone merge powers. ;)

just tell me what button to push

cool

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You (conveniently as always) forget that I came here not because there was "something to be gained"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I was literally asked to make this proposal

Question

maybe there’s something there. I do think you bring value. Just need to take the trust out of it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And I've been donating time and resources to Monero along the way.

Why doesnt luigi stop being as racist against plowsof

And give plowsof merge powers on site

PLM

that would work too. although 2 sets of eyes is better

Harden, hinto, and even rotten review prs

id say i do too, but i stopped when luigi started hatin

Plowsof spends more time fixing merge conflicts than real site work, and its becauss he needs to wait for a merger

It would effectively be LESS work for plowsof to have merge powers than for him to do what hes doing now

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Well go bug Luigi about the trust thing geonic

what does plowsof think

he'd do it

let's open a CCS :D

I am bugging him by proxy

you’re his mascot (:

he literally would have a much easier life if he sisjt have to wait

Im his rumplestiltskin

i m plowstuff

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ah gotcha indeed

have a staging branch for site, let plow merge tk staging, then merge staging to master

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Well, hope that goes well for ya. We'll see how things shake out.

Instead of conflict after conflict and begging for merges. Just need to wait for deploys in this case

S/sisjt/doesnt

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc?si=mIBdHV4S9xd5gbD0

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> holy fuck bro

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> they literally sabotaged the project in the name of minority activism

🤷‍♂️ im just confused why were bypassing plowsof. Ofc he writes prs and does a lot of work, but he should still need approvals/reviews/testing from community contributors

Monero does the same thing. Aside from that, offtopic

@real_glitch

good point ofrn. let’s see what plow says. he does seem overworked

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> sadly most of the monero people use mac or windows, they think they are safe while using Proprietary software and Operating systems

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i guess we should find a good distro which will not become like this, and support them before they go extinct

btw whoever is downvoting the mb reddit thread is not helping

Reddit doesnt matter anyway

or at least downvote the comments too so it’s not as obvious

Plow wont say "ill do it" in public. Let luigi give him powers today and youll see plow get shit done right away. Plows's a walker, not a talker

Its not me. I had my ccs super botted

They impersonated devs, wrote chatgpt comments

1:41 AM <geonic> btw whoever is downvoting the mb reddit thread is not helping

could be attackers though - afaik he mentioned his site being DDoSed

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> no one uses reddit tbh

ye i think the time has come that most ppl are past reddit - as they were past bitcointalk

DaveyJones: DDOS? there was general issues with lemmy after an update

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> im blocked bro, it blocks my vpn so fuck it

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> same with tor iirc

red it is now goo goo's search engine

thx davey

Davey I thought that too

1:46 AM <nioCat> red it is now goo goo's search engine

true - i talked to ppl outside of reddit bubble and they say the same :D every answer the look for is on reddit

he should use cloudflare, I hear it works ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> please no

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> it doesnt work for people outside of the US

repo.getmonero.org

Ccs.getmonero.org both use CF

Cant ssh in over tor 🫠

<s​trawberry:monero.social> cant do anything over tor with cloudfl*re

<s​trawberry:monero.social> please no CF

I repeat > ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> well this is acceptable but try using Chatgpt

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i repeat that your a human test 4-7 times before login in to the chat/prmpt page

Who uses chatgpt

I use catgpt

Meta ai ftw ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Whatsapp search #yolo

Anyway. Im stuck on "plowsof should save us time and money, and save himself hours of work, and do merges on site himself"