s​yntheticbird: i don't think it's specific enough

but i like it

<m​alori:xavi.lu> same

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i think it completely misses the issue, which was mods, not users

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Mods who mod using their feelings, who need to be moderated and/or replaced

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There are a lot of mods who are MIA for things that need to be modded, who would only appear when they wanted to mute/kick/ban people they dont get along with

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The COC puts a leash and collar on users, does nothing about mods

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And user behavior is a top-down thing. When you have shit people muting bridges because solely they dont like the topic, thats not a user issue

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When you have shit people muting users who appeal bans of other people, same goes, not a user issue

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When you have shit people enforcing their feelings and opinions, everything else follows. You cant expect a respectful environment when the ones in charge are shit people

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can expect rebellion and disrespect though.

syntheticbird: it might be worth adding a point about deliberately inflammatory language. some people can't seem to get a sentence out without sprinkling in a dozen adjectives that distract from any real attempts at discussion.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> example: at the time that issue was made, there were 20s of users, some of them alts of mods, spamming this room trying to prevent my unban

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i said shit person. Thats 1 adjective

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And youre one of the shit mods

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Muted the off-topic bridge and more

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not sure whay adjective youd like to identify as

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Trash?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Useless?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Simply calling you a mod is a disrespect to real mods

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Here we go again.

<m​alori:xavi.lu> I'm going to need a popcorn sticker with the amount of drama per days

<m​alori:xavi.lu> I'm going to need a popcorn sticker with the amount of "drama" per days

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is >1yr old nonsense

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like, much more than 1yr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For years monero's been infected with 🚮 leadership

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Oh, okay. I'm missing context.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Luigi is still on his island somewhere. He's become complacent.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I'm sure there are others.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not even referring to core here

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Core team doesnt influence the project anymore, these chatrooms do

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> 🤔

core are not mods

these chatrooms are the only reason the price goes up

lol

lol

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I don't see why you're overreacting about the CoC. As long as you're being respectful, everything should be okay. You can still suggest changes to mods even with a CoC in place.

🍿🍿🍿

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They dont lead anything.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Every major or professional project has a CoC. Why should Monero be an exception?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The coc is completely unnecessary

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And again, i'm anything but reapectfuk

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Diego told kewbit to shut the fuck up, syntheticn said some rude shit as well.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont respect shitbags and you shouldn't either

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I don't think the CoC prohibits that behavior. The CoC explicitly states what it does prohibit, which includes trolling, spamming, harassment, doxxing, etc. but not swear words.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just because some bad actors want to give other bad actors some official soft dealing doesnt mean monero should be so lenient

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cornfeed just told syn to add my adjectives

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And cornfeed banned the entire offtopic bridge becsuse he didnt like people talking about covid

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He also kicked juliu repeatedly

we are not professional

are we major?

shrug

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Well, if that were to be added, I'd agree the CoC would be ridiculous. However, I think the CoC is acceptable as it stands.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Guys come on

<m​alori:xavi.lu> idk maybe to drugs dealer

where are we going diego?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Mods need to be moderated. When plowsof ran this room, everybody was respectful. It wasnt until other mods started banning people and overruling plowsof did mods start being disrespected directly

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> s/banned/muted/ the bridge

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Monero is reportedly worth $4 billion now. I think that's significant.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 1 day without shit slinging please

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> :D lolol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No price talk #ban

does dog wif hat still have a latger MC than us

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Not anymore.

those are professionals

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Who are these mods exactly?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I don't get the context.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The temperature in this room is consistently high and it sucks.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> From my perspective, there is a CoC pending in response to all the recent trolling, impersonation, and harassment that has been occurring lately. This will provide moderators with a clear direction on how to handle all that.

I have been in constant pain for 2 weeks, I can only read charts

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Simple.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the coc predates my unban

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And the issue the the coc references is about mods overstepping

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Atm, functionally, at don't have a consistent coc that the mods use. Also nobody is currently banned or muted.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> All slights, perceived or otherwise based on previous decisions have no grounds in the present.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> We don't *

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I realize everyone isn't happy for different reasons. Everyone thinks everyone else is a bad actor and doesn't deserve a place at the table.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Everyone has flimsy, circumstantial proof of everyone else's bad actorness

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Can the peanut gallery please go do some work or otherwise be productive with your lives rather than bitching about each other for a while, please?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Peanut gallery. I like that.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The blunt truth is that a CoC was indeed adopted many years ago by the core team at the time. For code and community. The code for example has c4. It was never consistently enforced.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Anonimal (rightfully) pointed this out back in the day too. This isn't a new conversation.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This leads some mods to try to enforce it. With reason. Because it's there. Because officially its adopted.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But if it was inconsistently enforced back then, it is even more so now that we have 2.5 functional core team members

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This has led the mod team floundering a bit. The people enforcing certain rules have "official written backing".

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Scott is not at fault for reading the rules and making a ruling as an appointed mod.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Neither are the people wrong for pointing out how unjust it is for these rulings to be wielded non-uniformly, making things seem targeted.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> For any of you feeling purposefully oppressed, or deliberately silenced, the honest truth is you're probably not important enough for that. The truth is much more mundane. Namely core haphazardly adopted a code of conduct for things back in the day that they never really made honest attempts to enforce.

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> When I see something I don’t like, I mute or move on

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The cracks in core's laid back way of dealing with things has been evident over the past years. It's not perfect, and I'm not saying we should continue like this, but rest assured if things were more heavy handed there would be complaints too.

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> I just don’t care for spam and phishing

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The fact that we lost -pools, such a long standing community gives me pause though that perhaps things have indeed been too laid back in regards to enforcement.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That's a really sad blow imo

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> ofrn was referring to this: web.archive.org/web/20240524142346/…/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/457

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Targeted attacks that you can't really mute or move on from.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Have you been mia for 2yrs?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Are you forgetting timeline?? Lmao

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I was banned by ERC

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ERC was fired promptly, even sgp agreed that erc was acting in bad faith

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> `As soon as ofrnxmr touched Monero, the price dropped significantly. If the market hates ofrnxmr, why should we accept this proposal?`

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Inspiring.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate) Backup went to resolutions to ask for my unban in the rooms that erc banned me in, dan was promptly muted

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I called scott a bitch for that, and scott banhammered me

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I didn't say he banned you dude.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> He made rulings regarding upholding things.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm also not saying I agree with Scott's every decision.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> scott did ban me

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wasnt me

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Siren and i are mute buddies

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Then the timeline indeed is not something I'm the most up to date on. But it doesn't really matter or invalidate everything I've been saying.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc didnt banhammer me. And scott literally made up lies like claiming that i threatened peoples lives

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> which was in response to selsta asking for my unban in gui

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ruck invited me to beef, and scott banned me from beef. Ruck unbanned me and scott rebanned, so ruck left the room altogether.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The tweet he was talking about that said "it's on sight" was indeed not you.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That doesn't change the fact that none of the above matters.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Because as I said, as a mod he had a right to make rulings. And the unban and reban is a result of the inconsistency for the reasons I described above.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre saying scott was upholding something, thats nonsense. He was just being a bitch, mad that he couldnt do it to rotten anymore

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm clarifying the situation as to why things happened as they did.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This is your assertion.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, the unban and reban was scott being a bitch

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This is your assertion.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Scott banned because he wanted to be a bitch and mute people in resolutions

sigh. it's exhausting how incendiary your language is. this channel's temperature could be so much lower without it.

and could still discuss the same exact stuff

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I wonder how all of this will look on IRC. It must be a nightmare.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I disagreed with Scott's decision and unbanned. I also disagree with your assertion.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Why we talking about banning?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, thats literally a fact

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dan asked scott to reverse erc's bam, and scott mutes him and told him to tell me to request screenshots from jwinterm if i need to get work done

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> c​ornfeedhobo You're overreacting. Ironically, pointing this out raises the temperature in this channel. Just let Diego handle it.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc had stepped down as mod and sgp and luigi knew that erc was acting in bad faith

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Scott didnt uphold anything, he literally muted someone for respectfully requesting that my ban be reversed

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I think erc was acting alongside his values. Unfortunately I don't think his values were very compatible with this community.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It is possible for someone to act in line with their values, which differ from yours, and not be acting in bad faith.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc banned me for saying "erc broke the room"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He came to my dm and said "ive banmed you in every room that i admin" and left

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Luigi promptly unbanned me on irc and erc stepped down and left the rooms on matrix

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Then dan asked in resolutions for another mod to unban me in -site and -translation (rooms erc banned me), and dan was muted

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This may indeed be the straw that broke the camels back, but does not mean there were not other reasons.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Fwiw I also disagree with erc if this was his final reason for banning

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> 🍿

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The primary issue here is immediately leaping to "bad faith" for reasons why things are done.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> From many many in this community.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I used to watch springer now I watch this

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> non stop 🎆

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ccs was down. Ccs restarted. i wrote the merge list and sent to luigi

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Then you're preaching to the choir in this regard. I agree with you here.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erciccione was on merge list, incl backpay

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc decided he wanted to be angry about me writing the list and closed his ccs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Every other ccs was funded almost instantly

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And once again the fact that you're unbanned means I agree with you in general about how this was handled.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But no, Scott remaining on the mod team is not a threat to the monero community at large, and I'm not in a hurry to ask him to resign.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc got mad and started disrespecting plowsof and luigi. I was busy fixing matrix rooms (just finished fixing haveno room with pigeons). I pointed out that it wss broken because erc downed the homeserver, and that otherrooms are the same

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If you think this makes me naive then so be it.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> cornfeedhobo just take a glance at the beautiful stuff he was sending to xmrscott via PM, that he himself posted on X, on his profile. 😂👌 nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGKIwiiYWwAA5GIM.jpg

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And then erc banned me

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Source: nitter.poast.org/ofrnxmr/status/1775034577196560643

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ok, well my 7 months ban was because dan asked for the erc ban to be reversed on matrix. Plowsof didn't have ops in site or tl

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> There's more. 😂 nitter.poast.org/ofrnxmr/status/1774085262450004335

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This was after my ban, and *shocker* i sent it to him and he never read it, so i posted it publicly

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Fwiw, ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx i realize you probably stand by all your words here since you're not one to back down, but things like this definitely make me roll my eyes when you triple down on your behavior being justified.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It's not threatening of life but it is just on the "right" side of subtle of violence).

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not justifying post-ban behavior. It is what it is

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Not only that, but Diego and Core has knowledge of him trying to use sock puppets to delete my Matrix account 🤣

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> If you're being attacked by hundreds of sockpuppets, banned from all channels (including joke ones like off-topic and beef), and having all your CCS requests rejected for no valid reason, I can understand why ofrn acted like this...

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> It doesn't justify it, though. I can see where he came from.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Diego, is this true?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I assert you were being a bitch to Scott being a bitch. Let he who has not bitched cast the first stone.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because anybody with half a brain would know that ive never used any socks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This isnt simply a baseless allegation, its absolutely hilarious

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> God, all parties making me reveal all my cards all at once.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> rottenwheel If I'm missing any context, please let me know. I obtained my information from ofrn himself.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> 🤣🤣🤣🤣

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Go easy on me. I'm new...

g​ooglemozilla: not justify it is key here. they can behave that way somewhere else. it certainly shouldn't be the behavior of someone that accepts money from the community or could be seen as a community representative

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Everyone accuses everyone of socks and always has circumstantial evidence of proof.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Please do sir

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I have NEVER used a sock

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I take great offense to you even thinking i have, and worse, to "authority" figures claiming that i did

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Explains why you got it all wrong. Going to pm with ofrn is like letting yourself into the most manipulative, megalomaniac, twisted individual I ever had the disgraceful chance of talking to, ever in my life. Note that I used ever, twice.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Don't you look at the shit he types on pm with Scott?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I stand on principle. I'm not a pussy

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> He deliberately twists stuff to his own benefit and in the process, he sprinkles slurs left and right. It is unhinged.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> My card in this instance which may be upsetting to both sides here is that I don't think the circumstantial evidence that both sides have provided here is damning enough to take definitive action.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> He sent me screenshots and archive links to support his claims. Please forgive me if I chose to believe them.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont upvote myself or do cowardly bullshit. I would never use a sock

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Anything i have to say, i say from my own mouth

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> I don't need to forgive anything, just laugh at how effective his manipulatively unhinged antics are.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> I couldn't care less what happens to the dude. He's blocked everywhere and will stay blocked till the end of days, that's guaranteed.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I don't get it. I wish there was a SyntheticBird-style blog about this :)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But since things seem to be coming to a head here, perhaps the can can't be kicked down the road much longer indeed.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its the coc

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Replies? I haven't read them.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Both ofrn has sent me accusations and evidence over PM of Scott using socks, and vice versa.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ill take some time to actually dig further.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I don't appreciate it being "known" that i used socks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ive literally NEVER in my mufakkn life

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats some weak shit. diego, you spoke to me privatelt and knew how i was living

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> According to ofrn, plowsof obtained IP addresses and emails of all the sock puppets. Surely, this could easily expose who it was?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I literally said I didn't give credence to either accusation. That's not weak shit. It's giving both sides the benefit of the doubt.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I wasnt even active in the damn chatrooms. Was dealing with my own real life grass

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Don't twist my words. I didn't say I believed him and didn't tell you, you doofus.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its _obvious_ that someone created _multiple_ sock puppets and claimed to do so to defend scott and sgp

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> _he_ said you did

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, most were yasabi

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> HE said we have evidence (that he gave us) of sock shenanigans.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> People are allowed to submit evidence. You have also submitted evidence to me of the contrary.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Calm the fuck down.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yasabi deleted their github btw. Also, scott popped up like 5mibs after yasabi on the CoC

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> /me taps sign

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> /me taps sign

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Evidence does not mean irrefutable proof that is immediately believed.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You're a piece of work yourself and I DM you on occasion.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm calm

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Oh yeah? Why am I a piece of work myself? Do share.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Also quick to raise temperature and throw shit around.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But sir, when it comes to ofrn, i dont do socks. Khx

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Glass houses blah blah

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> 🤔 And that makes me a piece of work... alrighty then. 😂

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I mean it in the most loving way, sir

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuz ask anyone who's ever dealt with you

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Same with you. Most loving way.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> And I do as well, just laughing. Finding it stupid for that to be the reasoning behind the adjective!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> I've done much worse than that! Maybe I'll help you back up your case a bit better next time!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Especially when you are the wordsmith yourself! I was expecting a complex word like... You have a temper! You have some tumultuous days yourself! But no, it was a bit too simple for your usual dialect.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The "prickly 3" thorns in my side are ofrn, rotten, and the big g

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Not saying you all are bad actors. But goodness you guys can cause an otherwise calm conversation to escalate to 100 in no time flat.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Appreciate all the work you guys put in. Sincerely. But goodness gracious.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm always on 120

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So those on 80 can help me average out a bit

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> A badge of honor for you guys that you make me work to keep the fires down, I guess. A firefighter would be out of a job otherwise.

TL;DR ofrn does not sue socks but I hope he uses some boxers for that coc

Convos like this and IRC<->Matrix DMs would be good to have with the new puppeting bridge / relay :(

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> :D 😆

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> DataHoarder double puppeting bridges are so snappy and convenient. I dig. ++

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> what the ever loving hell guys

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> +1

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> If Kewbit is paid, we're done with Monero.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I didn't get to attend the meeting, but this is my opinion on the matter.

vthor: hi, you got a new PR in XMRSigner repository to fix the top file of the XMRSigner proposed case for the Pi! XmrSigner/xmrsigner #14

hey dukenukem, thank you for the information, will look in the next hour into it. :)

was luckily an easy task :) done

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Allergic to nuts

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> selsta good luck sir. x.com/MoneroSpace/status/1865998578063130819

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> nitter: xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1865998578063130819

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> [@fiatdemise:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@fiatdemise:matrix.org) good luck sir. x.com/MoneroSpace/status/1865998380519821496

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> nitter: xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1865998380519821496

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wrong link

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Supposed to wait for the funding link

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What good is sharing if nobody can donate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (Sel's)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund-Elections #10

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Next level of stupid

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cornfeedhobo: ack, will try to make a point on inflammatory language.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr: I didn't made this CoC just because they were alt in the room + There is literally part of the CoC talking about mods responsibilities and how they have to review community ejection requests.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Between people fearing politic interference, *You're not strong enough* and *Just mute him*, I just wanna say in respective order, 1. Read the document before commenting. 2. The same people considering themself strong enough are also the same one that are unlikely to invest their time and money into the project because they are used to the drama. 3. The community isn't yours. When<clipped messa

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> a newcomer arrive I don't wanna have to explain to him why he should prepare himself to mute people wrongfully trashing them like we were on Telegram or something.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> this is the backlog we need but do not deserve

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Welcome to the fringe of the interwebz

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> This pertains only to sign-up details used to register on the CCS's gitlab - many accounts shared the same heuristics e.g. sign up email format, and those where banned and blocked. one of which was pro-ofrnxmr, but the majority where against. which makes me think it was just some troll fanning the flames more details in this comment repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-pr<clipped message>

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> oposals/-/merge_requests/457#note_24484

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> plowsof the detective!

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Erc also gave an at-length monologue, basically shouting at the peanut gallery to explain how he was not pleased with his proposal not being merged when he had been a contributor for so many years etc

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the reason for it not being merged was simply, the usual delays / people busy but yeah

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Fun fact: ErCiccione had blocked me from the Haveno DEX organization on GitHub and once I was unable to submit a PR for the site or docs, can't remember. woodser figured it out weeks later, saying he didn't know how or why I was blocked in the first place. More than obvious to decipher who it had been. Haha.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> We love you, dear ErCiccione, wherever it is the world has you these days! <3

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> reading the comments, the community had some issues with the language used in the proposal (extending the usual delays of merge) repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/416#note_23112 , the website workgroup supported the merge of ercciccone (myself included) ,

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 1 year ago, how time flies

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a ccs proposal made off the back of extreme inactivity* where the previous one remained dormant before being "completed" delays are to be expected... but special treatment was expected

totally forgot he made the proposal around the time the CCS wallet was hacked monero-project/meta #920 lol

when i was looking on, not on the protected list (core devs/researchers where allowed to work on and be funded out of the general fund while the issue was being figured out)

reading him hsout at the peanut gallery for a 2 month delay, the ego there was truly astounding but alas

sorry to go on about this fine detail , i understand not many are interested, bare with me: erc made proposal 14th October. 1st meeting to discuss 18th October monero-project/meta #912

made 18th* first meeting 28th* CCS wallet incident Nov 2nd monero-project/meta #916 , now read his comment after he closed his ccs ok sorry for spamming

> For any of you feeling purposefully oppressed, or deliberately silenced, the honest truth is you're probably not important enough for that. <<<< word

have to admit, i missed Diego

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Why bring this up for ?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> people get sentimental around the holidays

it's all the pig in blankets

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre remembering wrong

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ccs was down. When ccs restarted i had written merge list, confirmed with you and sent to luigi

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I posted the list publicly after luigi only merged like 2 proposals (didnt merge fcmp or erc, for example)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Arh when he rq

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> luigi legit tried to block more than 1 proposal matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:mat…mx&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Calking xmruw retro monero laundering (cuz its russian)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> xmr.ru*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:mat…mx&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Literally tried not to merge fcmp

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:mat…mx&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Heres when erc decided to quit

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Why is one person behind the financials for Monero?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> CCS*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Core*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> read the rules of ccs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> “Core” decides disputes

<a​remor:matrix.org> I see no proof of that. I just see people running to L to find out what he wants done

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wdym

<a​remor:matrix.org> See no elections. Does seem like a dictatorship

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> core team is invite-only

Divine rights do not require voting

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> L = 1/3 core team members

also if you want elections you can see github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund-Elections

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Elections are for magic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even mods here are invite-only

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: nobody ever chose scott

<a​remor:matrix.org> Magic owns the git repo?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Plus IIRC Magic projects require KYC and tax ids or something

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Wait until he hears about shadow IT workers and the possibility of kewbit being north korean

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Magic are the monero commumity leaders

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ^ plz confirm nioc

<a​remor:matrix.org> That only fund via tax IDs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Which git repo?

<a​remor:matrix.org> monerod

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Kewbit is too stupid (no offense) to be a North Korean shadow worker.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero repo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or are they playing stupid

<s​iren:kernal.eu> If you aren't aware, the CCS is a gold mine for North Koreans.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> youtu.be/QebpXFM1ha0

<s​iren:kernal.eu> sentinelone.com/labs/dprk-it-worker…-companies-and-their-links-to-china

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Nioc can confirm or deny

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Have you seen the accounts that follow him and vice versa on github?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> He was good enough to fool and claim some minestones

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Yes, what's the problem?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> github.com/KewbitXMR?tab=followers

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Weak community.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Siren: wanna place bets whether he had deadline extended vs paid vs closed vs closed and banned

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> It's what happens when bad actors gain too much control.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> This sets a precedent.

scott was chosen

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> wen polymarket for xmr

It was just a very long time ago

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> When will the decision be made? I can propose this on Polymarket.

When needmoney90 was head/lead mod with a few others as support, sgp and diego included

Also, charuto, erc, etc

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Although it is easy for Luigi to scam us if we open one.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He wasnt chosen for a lot of ghe rooms that hed admin of today

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sgp promoted him when he (sgp) stepped down

i don't think moderation team was done on a per room basis. it was just mod or not

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He's admin of, i think, every room now

Sure, but he was also a mod of every room back then

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Difficult to guess. If they know more about each other, probably extended and not banned. If not, should be closed and banned since he cared about xmr.ru (I believe there's some truth to the money laundering claim).

<3​21bob321:monero.social> github.com/0xAu/chainlit

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats one of the people

As he was a designated mod. Some mods were more active than others, but they were still mods. When needmoney90 left there was a huge vacuum and that needed to be filled.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> He really doesn't wanna facilitate some people, else he will draw government attention to the CCS.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Kewbit doesn't follow them, though. It doesn't matter.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And the word was elected. Not sure if i rephrased improperly, but this was about "invite-only" vs "elected"

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Any bad actor can follow someone's account.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sorry, i mean kewbit

<3​21bob321:monero.social> github.com/0xAu

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah my message was about kewbit. There's a possibility that woodser or luigi know more about him than all of us. Why else did everyone skip the competency check and due diligence?

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Are you talking about mods?

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> But yeah, i don't think there was an election process. When has it been a rule they have to be elected?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> github.com/0xAu?tab=followers

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Usually a request went out for mods and someone would volunteer, that was it

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> If there were objections, they would be raised.

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Usually there weren't objections cause the vast majority of people were rational adults

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Not saying that's not the case now, but you get the drift

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What repo did they fork?

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr are you saying there should be mod elections for every room independently?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> github.com/RunnyBabbit?tab=following

<3​21bob321:monero.social> This is a good one

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> We'll need some sort of policy for that, i would imagine. Rules for election, re-election, removal, etc

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Maybe it could go in the CoC?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We should create the monero policy alliance

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Like the atlantic alliance

the minimum competency checks where less than adequate because it was a re purposing of funds for an 'actively being worked on bounty' with alot of hype / community support that aligned with the creation of the proposal

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> hypothetical: midi, who do you think should have the final say over who is banned from -GUI?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I don't want to get banned because of doxxing but his GitHub account has a very strange detail

<3​21bob321:monero.social> He showed work down i think

heres a reddit thread announcing the completion of the milestone reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1g5amc…cant_milestone_completed_for_haveno

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof, also the bounty was claimed to be pretty much complete

80k views (?)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So the ccs was assumed to already have an MVP

shared in community and announced on revuo libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20241015#c445383

<a​remor:matrix.org> So an oligarchy

<3​21bob321:monero.social> They like open ai ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can share with me and ill take the ban

<a​remor:matrix.org> Who are the other two?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Beavus and butthead

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Ofrn's sock puppet accounts.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Split personality

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Binary fate (generfund), and artic mine (scaling. Doesnt get involved in the management / logistics)

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> so y'all ready to give me the mod responsibility or what then?

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> The mods!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So scott have veto over selsta?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (Which is precisely what happened)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also vetoed ruck in -beef

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I would simply listen to community feedback but preferably engage people in conflict resolution instead of bans

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> If selsta is a mod, then they should find consensus between them. If selsta is not a mod, then selsta should defer to the mod's decision

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Again, i believe that scott shouldnt be admin of gui. But he is, and as a result he rebanned me and replied to selsta's unban request that plow and him cannot do so because i supposed threatened lives

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> I don't think selsta (in this example) should be worrying about conflict resolution

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Gui is sel's room. Scott shouldnt be a mod there.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plow is an admin there, and unbanned me for reasons that i don't know. I was rebanned because scott felt like it

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> What do you mean selsta's room?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> sel is monero-gui dev

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> sounds like y'all need a mediator

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not a chatroom, its a development room

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> people still have conflicts. clearly

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm unbanned

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> s/mediator/moderator ...

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Yes, i understand that. But i am not sure if portaying it as his room is correct

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> It's a room facilitating comms for gui development. That's it.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the only active dev in the room, and the lead dev. Scott shouldnt dictate who sel can work with

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Im my view, the admins of that room should be sel and plow, with banhammer as mod

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just like ruck should be admin in mrl, not scott and charuto

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> hey I already volunteered. I've been here for years and have no enemies. just sayin

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> plus I'd listen to selsta obviously

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> sorry, positions are filled indefinitely

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> womp

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I'll just talk to whats his face he's probably tired of the flak anyway

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Power tripping? Nah, most of them love it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its like, the only power that they have in this world

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My mod / admin guidelines went something like:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. Under most circumsstances, admins should be related to the room. Researches in mrl, devs in dev etc.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. Admins arent required to moderate, but should have power to overrule mods in the rooms that they admin (unbanning ooo in mrl or ofrn in support)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3. When a mod uses banhammer to bans other than spam/bots etc, the message should include the mods handle (no hiding behind banhammer)

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> It's confirmed.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> !cSwJDzxRuWndmFUZTd:haveno.network

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Will make edits i agree with your points

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> For those who aren't bothered checking the Haveno channel, Kewbit has reappeared with another coincidence (look closely):

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund-Elections #10

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> He has transformed from blue to red, and from good to evil.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/kzSSlatIwthSLswMDJDEkzTe

<m​alori:xavi.lu> okay now thats ridiculous

<m​alori:xavi.lu> how old are they, thats high school behavior at best

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> He's trying to make it obvious for some people.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> @luigi1111:monero.social

What

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he just quit the room

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> whats up luigi1111 pls tell us you keep a finger on the big situation

Is this big situation in the room with us now?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Luigi, wen merge selsta

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (lets start with the good news)

Very soon

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> LOUUUU EEEE GEEEE

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thanks sir

<0​xfffc:monero.social> I am always on the side of devs. But we all know the world is competitive.

<0​xfffc:monero.social> We have to have no BS policy.

<0​xfffc:monero.social> “You are not releasing source code of the project? , while getting funded by CCS”

<0​xfffc:monero.social> Banned!

<0​xfffc:monero.social> As simple as that.

<0​xfffc:monero.social> Monero community is extremely careful. I have 0 BS tolerance policy.

<0​xfffc:monero.social> While everyone would admit, I am always on the side of devs.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If i speak, luigi might want to find a middle ground between what i say and what kewbit wants. So i'll defer to syn

<0​xfffc:monero.social> As long as there is *workaround*, I support devs getting paid.

<0​xfffc:monero.social> We all have responsibilities.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> luigi1111 literally EVERYONE IN THE MATRIX/IRC space sees kewbit as a bad actor. He have impacted not only haveno but cuprate and monero-serai as well. Finding a middle ground with a scammer is endorsing bullshit and believe it or not, this time its not just ofrnxmr who will lose trust

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> He continues his bullshit even right now clearly showing malicious intents and you just want to wait and maybe pay him at the end?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> hey I already volunteered. I've been here for years and have no enemies. just sayin <<>> well you have the name for it

Hmm I don't think that is my position.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What position are you? Kinky

OS or GTFO. But I didn't see a need to "resolve" it ASAP. That could be the wrong position tho, granted.

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Who elected plowsof as mod? When did that happen?!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There is no resolution

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ban from ccs, close ccs, ban from bounty

What bounty

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Community did, repeatedly. Not in an election, but by vote of confidence whenever the question of "who" was brought up

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> luigi1111 glad to hear make more sense even tho agree with ofrnxmr. He needs to be ban

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bounties.monero.social/posts/126/36…n-source-android-app-for-haveno-dex

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Scott was also voted in through confidence. Just before plowsof and many years ago. Scott also has MANY years of "successful" modding behind them. It's only now there are a few dissenters, and mainly they dissent as they feel they have been "wronged" or "targeted"

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr you seem to think that these rooms didn't exist for years before you arrived

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> k midi, another time

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Fair enough.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and i mean from all bountys and ccs. He's a squatter and imposter. Has been trying to get away with all sorts of fuckery (omg ofrn swore, pls ban)

Ok. If anyone has feedback to the contrary please share it in the next few days

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> nobody does. Woodser wants to proceed if kewbit provides code, everyone else wants kewbit axed and ccs closed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But there is no excuse for kewbits actions outside of ccs. misrepresentation / impersonation on Codeberg.org/HavenoDEX, haveno.com, whonix forum

<w​oodser:monero.social> woodser has not commented on the state of the ccs, only to test the code for viability regardless

Ok good job everybody. Maybe we can have a pizza party

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i'm a vegan

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> So am I and we get excellent vegan pizza in India.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> And v cakes and ice creams and everything.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> *vegan

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> They are expensive though.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> India is the best place for vegan. Vegan Indian food is delicious and very affordable.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> India is the best place for vegans. Vegan Indian food is delicious and very affordable.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nice

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Any vegan restaurants that accept xmr?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr link the f*cking doc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm sleeping

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> SyntheticBird i need francais help in Monero Docs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Need to tell user to check `status` to make sure they have incoming connections, and also to add the banlist

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> luigi1111: see librejo.monerodevs.org/SyntheticBird/kewbit-drama for summary of everything discovered pre meeting. I also have a list post-meeting:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - cuprate crates deletions

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - Deleted reddit post calling monero core corrupted/ conspiracy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - Gatekeeping pub.dev: haveno, i2p, bisq and trezor package

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - owning of

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - moneroecosystem.com

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - haveno.wiki

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - monero-wallet-rpc.com

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - Moderation request that got censored on codeberg: codeberg.org/HavenoDEX/haveno-app/issues/1

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - Kewbit impersonation of haveno team on Whonix forum: forums.whonix.org/t/installing-haveno-in-whonix/20014/13

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > I am one of the core Haveno team,

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> No but you can convert XMR to PhobePe balance which works almost everywhere.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Any vegan restaurants that accept xmr?

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> No but you can convert XMR to PhonePe balance which works almost everywhere.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How

<m​alori:xavi.lu> i want vegan pizza now

<m​onerobull:monero.social> vegan pizza is whack

<m​onerobull:monero.social> at least the fake cheese on the one at last monerokon was not great

midipoet the moderator initiation ceremony was pretty low key to be honest, no valet parking.. barely a 3 course meal and just the 1 sacrifice

<l​m:matrix.baermail.fr> SyntheticBird: you can add that the code delivered and payed for the first milestone is not working, and neither the code of his app. Also tried to get payed to putting a working example, then said he will write one and never did.

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Sentry telemetry is torified or else rejected in kewbits app, how else can you catch errors? None of your other point are valid grounds

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hi qtip

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> You censored him on Reddit also he was only whistleblowing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hi kewbit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yk you proposed that USERS REPORT BUGS right

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> You just seem quite corrupt @SyntheticBird

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bitflipped

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> If its open source, and first parts of document let him defend himself you you are scamming it'd simple

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> HavenoDEX

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im so corrupted I don't need upvote bots on github and reddit

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> If its open source, and first parts of document let him defend himself otherwise you are scamming it'd simple

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what a shame

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Its simple as this he did the work, he get paid for the work otherwise why should we donate anymore to monero fund

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuz we're the devil

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Its not right

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It's perfect

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Not good at all

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Amazing

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> I think you guys involved should really be ashamed of yourself

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> I hope justice is served someway

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You should know that I am shameless

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> And proud?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Justice is decided by the victors

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> And you are monero core team?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Moral 101

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> JoshDoesCode : im not sure what you mean about justice? given this scenario: kewbits ccs closed, what will happen to kewbit? well , he has threatened to keep it closed source and sell it to a higher bidder? so win win?

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Seems like I have a story to cover

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> love the AI generated selfie

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you looks gorgeous

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> You have a CCS open

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> It's rendered

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> also ofrnxmr dm ffs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I am ofrnxmr to the core team

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Do you really think is acceptable to not pay someone for the amount of work in there

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Of course this will affect reputation of monero tho?

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> It is a large sum

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Who made the decision? There is a chat with many reputable developers in his defence

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> More than 40 people

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Previous contributors etc

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> How will you respond to an open letter about this

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I won't

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> I see only 5 people raise his complaint

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Many more against it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> be aware AI men, your glasses are broken its actually the opposite

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> We will pause development on other project for now

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We? take the meds

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Excuse?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yourself

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> I see

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> HavenoDEX?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> through broken glasses

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> codeberg.org/HavenoDEX

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> So the reason is 2 manipulators speaking for an entire community

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I like codeberg

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> do you like codeberg ofrnxmr?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Just to be clear

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> codeberg is great

<m​alori:xavi.lu> codeberg is great

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Very great

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> got an account and all

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just to be clear

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i also think they should rename forgejo to frogejo

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> OK on that basis it requires community action then

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 🎥

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 🎬

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr , put that camera away, cinema is dead

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> But who terminated it, because it'd still active officially on the website?

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> As work in progress

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> huh saaar you're misinformed, the CCS is not terminated yet

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you know it since you're supposed to be working on it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> write dart not english

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Has he even been informed officially of it

<n​ormaluser8900:matrix.org> Hella goofington

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> If he is working on Haveno he can register with codeburg there is no issue

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> He can own any domain if he buy

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Same as you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> do you think he can pay people on fiverr for this shit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> like people literlaly accepting 5$ to go on matrix and complain

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> best to move this to #haveno:monero.social (related rooms) unless the previous contributors have something to tell luigi libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20241209#c473255

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> opinions are weighted

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Its not a comedy to most people especially development community

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Very serious

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if you are kewbit or his colleague - this is terrible public relations - the community is tired of talking / teasers - thinly veiled threats of open letters and damages to the reputation of monero are not going to get you anywhere

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Its just common sense

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> How many times do you claim we pay CCS

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> We are the trusted ones we don't need to trust you

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> It needs to be known

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> The is already a large portion of the community disinvesting due to 64% issue

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Which is being covered by an expert in a video

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> He is the owner of Monero, midi. He calls every little shot around here by just being an erratic asshole all the time.

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Also it already has the attention of coffeezilla on YouTube

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> This is likely the cause of drop in price

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Damage control guys

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> If he really covers this monero is done for

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> We already told him about missing funds

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> [@joshdoesdart:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@joshdoesdart:matrix.org) can you shut the fuck up and type it all in a single message, please?

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> 2000 xmr

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> You are spamming the room like a classic iOS user.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \* check out xmr price \*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \* usual 3% loss at beginning of the week \*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> drop in price?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> community nodes on 2000 xmr

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> notes*

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> The majority of nodes seem to be hosted by core team also

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMFAO

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we forgot to celebrate the anniversary x.com/WatchFund/status/1732391070216908886

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Where is the transparency report on how much was spent on servers from the fund

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> xcancel.com/WatchFund/status/1732391070216908886

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> misinformed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> misinformed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> misinformed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> WOW 1 FUCKING MINUTE TO SEND THE MESSAGE

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Remains a joke to the sadists clearly we can separate those out from the rest now then

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Josh needs to be in core

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> so its funny to plowsoff, rottenwheel, PsychoticBird, ofrnxmr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> actually i'm ofrnxmr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we're the same person

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> I'm just making notes for research

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Once we have enough story it will go out

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> If anyone has any evidence of wrong doing you can submit it to me

s​yntheticbird complaining about matrix again?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> class action lawsuit , the 2nd in recent memory (MJ vs the people being the first)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nioCat Im on the verge of turning into IRC for real

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 1 minute to send a message is illegal

<l​m:matrix.baermail.fr> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…aermail.fr/VgrRhEjFzgrWcHLBrkJqrRmB

<l​m:matrix.baermail.fr> Don't feed the troll.

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Louis is known to make false claims about kewbits code being obfuscated

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Its a testament to his ability to understand Dart

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> He thinks dart protoc codegen is obfuscated code.

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> I would be seriously concerned if he worked at my company

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and what is your company kind sir concerned over the project

do you guys remember the ssh (via liblzma) attack about a year ago? this reminds me of that. innocent guy comes along to "help", then another character pops up to shame maintainers that don't accept the help quickly. I don't think a client for a fringe exchange is worth all this drama.

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> The fact you will not defend his honour and entertain pick up his work shows what kind of person you are too

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Its not quite drama

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> Rather its a complete scam from the core of the monero community

you'll notice how they keep switching gears - attacking, but also working for journalistic integrity (to what journal?).

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> There is quite a substantial difference

<l​m:matrix.baermail.fr> don't feed the AI

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> And having 64% coordinated hashrate is devastating

yeah, i've said my peace. returning to work. good luck and good day everyone :)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> have a nice day cornfeedhobo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *the* core of the monero community

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof: ban him its an AI

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> literally Llama shit plugged in and sending shit at random interval

<j​oshdoesdart:matrix.org> I am working on this case, and releasing news. I have found enough of the people caused the problem and noted already

don't forget me

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Meow.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Purrrr.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> see, he isn't interfered by what we say

TIL how to instantly scrollback to the beginning of new posts

I am nothing if not slow :D

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nioCat Meeoowww

but I do beat the hare

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its good to have a person in control of ccs to have finger on the pulse and clearly has no idea of whats going on

<f​iatdemise:matrix.org> Was finally able to do this, new proposal at: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/524

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That was the most obvious thing in the history of obvipus things.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Any actual journalist would say "this guy claims this thing, what do you all have to say?"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The fact that he came here knowing firmly what he believed is very telling and quite funny.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *So, as you can see Daniel journalism in mainstream media is dead according to Diego's last comment. Very controversial yet here we are. Don't hestiate to learn more about main stream media failure in TheTruth Magazine, every sunday morning at 9**p**m*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I will wait for observer issue to come out

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who had the ai newsletter plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, it was a podcast

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah

<3​21bob321:monero.social> When will gui have open api ?

pluja

the link is ...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> pod.xmr.fan

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ty sir

i m a i

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> pluja possible to get an update?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also, to change the topic a bit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/524

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> this has some overlap with tipxmr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its live and in use on monerotopia episodes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> By FiatDemise . Apache licensed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is to say that iirc there is a ccs or bounty that this might supersede

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Unlike qtip, the mvp should be working.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> fiatdemise, does this use lws? Or is my memory off

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Is there a centralized instance? And how hard to selfhost (docs?/installer?)

<f​iatdemise:matrix.org> Yes, it uses LWS

<f​iatdemise:matrix.org> One centralized hosted instance for many content creators.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but le centralization sirrrrrrrr its le bad yk, bad project cancel downvote, FiatDemise bad actor

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just kidding

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx for you work

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> so its not yet possible to sefhost?

<f​iatdemise:matrix.org> In my description, I tell the story of how I first tried to get a podcaster to use Shawdowchat. Offered to pay for install / setup. Busy content creators don't want that.

<f​iatdemise:matrix.org> May be possible, need to check with dev, Saeed.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'd imagine that ccs would want the possibility for redundancy

<f​iatdemise:matrix.org> Could probably add

<f​iatdemise:matrix.org> Learned anyone can self host XMRChat now. The setup instructions in readme are for both dev and prod environments.

fee model (unless for a centralised service) will be the issue. i see its a one time sign up fee. and its a for profit service (has anyone got a license to run the service? tipxmr are worried about this even)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The fee model is only for the hosted instance, i presume?

more technical details for the milestones "fee system" is mentioned

for example, i believe metronero had a free self hostable version with view keys, and a centralised service that scraped fees from transactions as a fee model

a one time sign up fee, is not going to be profitable, this is clearly a monero-lws multi user instance for profit. if i want to self host something i can use shadowchat IIRC

tipxmr are still not sure about monetisation repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/174#note_25050

with the qbit situation i need to confirm it is self hostable 😅

the noise to signal ratio is high

rottenwheel: i think ofrnxmr believes his day job is cleaning the shit out of cuckoo clocks.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nightjob*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Also, rotten has me on ignore. Dont larp about noise:signal if youre going to reel rotten in for a gossip session

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like 8hrs after any relevant discussion, at that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Literally discussing non-drama ccs' atm

<f​iatdemise:matrix.org> XMRChat has small initial charge for tip page creation to discourage people from squatting on many tip page URLs. I will add more on fee system to CCS. Currently we are thinking, for users that pass a threshold of XMR earned, we show a popup or email asking them to tip XMRChat. Show XMR earned last month and options 0%, 2%, 4%, remind me later. 4% gets them access to premium features.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Premium features free for self-host?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont think the custodial version needs to be ccs'd

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or rather, i think the self-hosted version should be thr focus

<f​iatdemise:matrix.org> All has to be open source, so probably premium features can be self hosted too. Not sure tho, not built yet. Verified accounts, notification options for tip over certain amount, channel featured on main page when live, etc.

<f​iatdemise:matrix.org> All has to be open source, so probably premium features can be self hosted too. Not sure tho, not built yet. Verified accounts, notification options for tip over certain amount, channel featured on main page when live, visual effects for higher tip tiers, etc.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Guys Monero is crashing.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Is this what kewbit warned us about?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Are we being punished by some higher force for not paying out 50%?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Punished for not closing his ccs

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Dang it, you all get your conspiracy theories. Why can't I get mine?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There are always competing theories

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero's not really crashing tho. Alts are all down (except for wow)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But tell luigi to hurry and merge selsta while the sale is on

> 21:41 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Nightjob* <<<<<< very good!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thanks

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> What are you even talking about, mister bad takes?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> plowsof what is wrong with the one-time fee model, brit?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> cant have people making millions after paying 5$ / the disenfranchised egg farmer who can not obtain monero to pay to earn monero and such

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> [@plowsof:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@plowsof:matrix.org) still not following.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Must have eaten too many beans, you've started talking more nonsense than usual.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if theres nothing wrong with a one-time fee model , why are they exploring 'fee model' in milestone 3

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> its not profitable - need a constant stream of new users

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> I still do not see anything wrong with the one time fee model.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Even if they enable premium features down the road.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> You can have both. :)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> not "wrong", its just not sustainable

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Also, if you read the prompt when you pay the one time fee, nobody is asking anyone to make it profitable, you moron.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> The one time fee is to deter spammers, not flip a profit.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Okay, green party. ♻️

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> why are they exploring a fee model then?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> I am starting to wonder why you've picked on this proposal like it is your enemy from day 1...

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Did your superiors at GHCQ disapprove of it from the get go?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Again, what is wrong with that is all I'm asking.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> clearly they feel holding view keys is not adequate for some reason, and they need to explore other options

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Still not answering my question.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> What is wrong with a fee/for-profit model, professor plowsof?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> you need to scrape fees in a for profit model

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Disagree. 100%.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> nothing wrong with it... thats why they need to explore fee models , seemingly in agreeance

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> agreement*

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> The 0.01 XMR one-time fee to deter spam makes sense to me and shouldn't be removed, regardless of them adding premium features for a cost, which is still unclear, TBD.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Plus, the 0.0000001 XMR one-time fee was a pittance. Like 1 cent worth.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Anyways, what is this other license you spoke of above?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> did i ask for something to be removed?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> What type of license does a service like this needs to run on, per your legal assessment, lawyer plowsof?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Or is that PSTD from UK being tarded and needing a loicense for everything, even breathing?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> TipXMR "We are still not sure about monetization. We had some ideas, but are also afraid of legal aspects. We even thought about just developing TipXMR and not monetize it at all, or even not running an instance by ourselves." , i assume XMRchat have it figured out

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> getting paid a % of the funds generated by potential illegal streams can be a legal issue

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Example: ppl who stream PPV events

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which is why its important for all fee scraping and other features to be self-hostable, in the event that xmrchat's hosted instance doesn't want to support ofrn's friends NSFW streams, ofrn can host for them

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the TL from plowsof: "if its a one-time fee, i cant host this for my egirls. I need to scrape 80% of gross earnings for my new striptalk platform"

Personally id be more comfortable with just the retroactive payment(s) for the work done / open sourced and self hostable - it's the completed version of TipXmr as i understand it. More details on the extra deliverables needed and if this is or not funding 'of the live instance or not' (semantics)

The PTSD is that now every new proposal is qbit and haveno, i need time to re-adjust

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> don't let the PTSD root too much. There was several flags with qbit before it went haywire

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> non retroactive ccs are always fine as long as CCS has leverage

Qtip* wrong name sorry

<n​ormaluser8900:matrix.org> normaluser8900:hello send me xmr and i make nice project that is good, and has good code, trust

<n​ormaluser8900:matrix.org> i was trying to make a joke but i tagged myself and failed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im sorry to hear that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> wtf is thankful for today doing here

<t​hankful_for_today:unredacted.org> Like the innocent Kewbit, you've banned me for no reason? Monero is going to continue dumping until you unban me and lift the ban on Kewbit.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof:

<t​hankful_for_today:unredacted.org> Monero is done for.

<n​ormaluser8900:matrix.org> hell yeah buying more rn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LETS GO We're drillin boys. Road to 0$

<t​hankful_for_today:unredacted.org> 2 manipulators speak for an entire community. Monero is captured until we see Kewbit freed.

<n​ormaluser8900:matrix.org> did you know switzerland had xmr atms? I learned that today

<n​ormaluser8900:matrix.org> pretty sure you can only buy XMR with cash tho, not sell to the atm

<t​hankful_for_today:unredacted.org> I left from my main account, googlemozilla, due to continued email spam from @monerobull:matrix.org. The reason is that he posted proof of him spamming me recently.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the company behind these ATMs categorically refuses to let people buy XMR online through their no kyc platform

<n​ormaluser8900:matrix.org> oh shit

<n​ormaluser8900:matrix.org> no way

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this is outrageous

<n​ormaluser8900:matrix.org> why

<m​onerobull:monero.social> What

<n​ormaluser8900:matrix.org> makes sense actually lmao FINMA

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> idk

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> don't feed the troll

<t​hankful_for_today:unredacted.org> Free Kewbit and I'll forgive you.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmfao

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> completely forgot monerobull had mod right

<n​ormaluser8900:matrix.org> anyone here around switzerland

<n​ormaluser8900:matrix.org> and knows swissquote ?