<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> if monero heads who have been around (say minimum ... 7 years) could do something differently, what would it be?

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> or have an idea of what went right or wrong at certain points?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They didn't elect me as king and ceo, and fluffy left (what went wrong)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what went right: bringing in the noethers, creating mrl, community

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what went left: fluffy getting arrested and core basically abandoning ship

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The latter made monero much more decentralized w/o making it mob-rule

so ofrn has been here a minimum of 7 years?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I've been around for much longer than monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not many 7 year olds in this chat seemed like an invitation for anyone to answer

i'm about 6 years as a user

that said, i don't think that number is representative. it's more like 4 years.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> i just made up a number to try to get a good slice of history

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> I spent my Saturday morning to lighten the load on plowsof shoulders a bit. monero-project/meta #1193#issuecomment-2832012597

Meeting in 5hrs37 mins

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> We should have done the things we did right with more conviction, less bureaucracy, and more resources (people and moneros).

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> And there is also a thought that we should have maintained/urged/sustained greater anonymity for key people (Devs, Researchers, Maintainers) in the community.

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> And we also should have ensured we maintained strong DefCon links (if possible). Not sure what happened there.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 🤣

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Look at the defcon ccs' and you'll see what happened, plain as day

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> And we also should have ensured that the mob didn't purposely ostracise positive initiatives, creating negative environments along the way, just because they couldn't see their tangible benefit/purpose. Building a network is about a lot more than code/protocol.

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Sure sure.

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Ask _all the participants_ of _all the defcons_, the value the community got from it, and the wider exposer we created amongst the hacking community, and you'll understand the wider benefit.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Are you blind or smthn?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> we should have bought the merch?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the attending of defcon was never an issue, the attached (literal) baggage was

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> The first DefCon (for example) was the first time everyone in the community had ever met each other. EVER. That's all MRL, all the community members, all the whales, all the maintainers, etc

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> That sort of interconnection is gold.

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Especially when we are potentially in a hostile environment

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Msvb still attended defcon, and sold his merch w/o the ccs buying the 500 badges at a 100% markup

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats counter to your prior point about anonymity

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Complete and utter contradiction

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> @[#voteofrn] have you ever seen some of the badges that were created for the Monero DefCons. A couple of them were the most in demand badges across the whole event. That sort of exposure is again, worth it's weight in gold.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> *2 minutes later*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "exposing everyone was gold"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Never crossed my mind because its utter bullshit

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Yes, it is. Except not all the people went to DefCon, obviously.

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> For example, hardly any Devs were there.

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> We also shouldn't have let outreach die. Not sure why it did

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Key people left (not sure why), and we never pointed resources to replace them

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "Not sure why", gee, i wonder

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe they dont like to get fluffy, ver, samourai'd?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i wonder too

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I wonder why whales dont come out and dox themselves

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I wonder why luigi doesnt tell us his name an address, or why some devs left the project / left ccs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I wonder why youre not a target

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The last one was sarcasm

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> outreach? Why would outreach get into trouble with the law?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i wasnt aware you were referring to hobbyists

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Probably had something better to do with their time

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> you can call them anything you want, if it makes you feel better about yourself. The initiative died, because we didn't point resources towards it, when key people left.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i dont see any mystery there

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> They curated (in my opinion) one of the best Monero into respiratories, and it hasn't been replaced. They also had wider plans which were quite grand, but if these sorts of initiatives would be proposed now, the mob would have caniptions.

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> *info

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> *info repositories (damn my fingers are dumb)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There was an active ccs when they left aka they had resources and left them on the table. Fym

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Sure. But nobody took it up, or any efforts to take it up have been overruled

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> There have been a few attempts from what I remember

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Or maybe it did eventually get repurposed for MoneroKon /meetup initiatives

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the funds were recently repurposed for monerotopia, again, fym

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Ah yes. Thanks for reminding me.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Anybody, at any point in time, could have completed the ccs. Thems is the rules.

it seemed that defcon didn't want us there, kept restricting the space they would give us

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Yes, but even given the reduction in space, we should have maintained the connection, possibly trying to integrate talks into other rooms/tracks, etc.

<c​t:xmr.mx> I have seen the last generation of badges, they were shit. I'd love to design a monero specific badge one day, if it fulfills a specific purpose such as seedsigner, NFC payment card, coldwallet. Software isn't my strength, so unfortunately I can build such a badge until we have software prototypes to be adapted

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> msvb is still (or was recently) the cryptocurrency villags coordinator (or whatever)

<c​t:xmr.mx> If you come across an idea you think is viable, by all means, reach out

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The connection was never severed, and he still sold monero badges and merch after the ccs was declined. I dont understand what youre talking about

<c​t:xmr.mx> Self appointed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> either was always self appointed or has an arrangement with defcon (?)

<c​t:xmr.mx> If you are the only contact person in the eyes of defcon, its easy to portray the story as you like

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> anyway, the loss of the noether's and subsequent slowdown of innovation at mrl is a major reason, imho, about why repeat appearances at these conferences doesnt make much sense. "what's changed since the last time we saw you?" "We went from 11 to 16 rings"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "that was 2 years ago" "oh. Right. I guess nothing has changed. The protocol is the same has last year. Maybe next year we'll have a working mvp of something weve been planning for n years and already spoke about for n years"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and why not like CES etc? Something more mainstream. I dont see how preaching to the choir helps us. Its an echo chamber

so we can make beautiful music

like monerokon

but yeah other places are good to be at

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> imo, it's not just about "giving a talk on protocol cryptography". There is value in having people in various communities/conferences/events that are indirectly or tangentially related to "Monero". We can learn from others just as much as others can learn from us.

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> Part of the reason why Monero hasn't been integrated as much as maybe we/some would like (whatever that means) is because we have purposely isolated ourselves from the ecosystem and how it has developed, both technically and ideologically. It's all well and good us dying on a hill, but there might also be value in trying to understand how we can integrate/interoperate/bridge acros<clipped message>

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> s other networks/communities without compromising on "our ideals" (whatever that means). Personally, sometimes I wonder if our strict fundamentalism has been a hindrance to overall adoption and the development of public good.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think youre incorrect

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> mainstream integrations and corporate style funding initiatives, as well as legal grey areas, are why monero isnt integrated as much as bitcoin

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> It's not just about us vs bitcoin.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Well, were probably _more_ integrated than btc, less integrated than LN, but more used than btc _and_ lightning.

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> There are plenty of other projects that are "more integrated" than Monero, when that doesn't/didn't necessarily have to be the case.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> People add LN because its just a centralized layer that allows them to get paid in fiat because btc is listed on every cex

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Such auto-conversions arent as simple for monero because cex's delist to stay out of government crosshairs

"is because we have purposely isolated ourselves from the ecosystem and how it has developed, both technically and ideologically." -- what are some examples, besides defcon ccs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and no businesses cares about bitcoin, tipcoin, monewhatever, visa, mastercard, or quarters from under the rug in your car

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> All they care about is lowest friction to complete an exchange of goods and services for a MOE

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They dont care about your feelgood conference speech about why monero is good. They use visa for convenience, they use cash because it costs less. They add ln because its handled by some third party company similar to visa.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They dont care at all about your ideals

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Ideals don't bring foods to the table

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> As an example, there was wXMR. admittedly, I don't know much about the technicalities, or even whether it was run/operated in a legitimate manner (I know there were/are valid concerns) but there might be real value in having some sort of bridgeable asset. If a CCS came out now for a similar project, I am not sure how it would be viewed.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (like stripe)

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> A second example is that web wallet initiative from spirobel. I don't see any reason whatsoever not to support that development work, but for some reason people are averse to a "metamask" style UI/UX for a monero wallet.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> People are allowed to have their views/opinions

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I saw two types of hater on spirobel proposal. The "WEBCRYPTO IS LE HECKING BAD!!!!!!!!" hater (which have very fair argument to back this idea) and the "SPIROBEL WILL NEVER ACHIEVE THIS!!!!!!" hater.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't think anyone is seriously doubting about the benefits of having a more accessible wallet like metamask

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> except the person you shall not pronounce the name

If we accept the web wallet tradeoff of security for usability (like many other successful projects have), then the first concern isn't that valid. I don't have a view on the second concern, as I cannot judge spirobel's ability to code. Having said that, we have always tried to give people the benefit of the doubt, and supported ambition/drive/vision. Not sure why that should change in this instance.

<e​longated:matrix.org> Honestly, a big part of the XMR adoption issue has always been a mindset problem. From the early days, people were constantly told to “use XMR as a tool”, just spend it, not hold it, and never think of it like a currency you can keep and grow with.

<e​longated:matrix.org> There was always this constant bashing of the “number go up” idea, discouraging people from even buying XMR seriously.

<e​longated:matrix.org> Instead, the vibe was “just use it once and throw it away,” treating XMR like some disposable washing machine coin, not a long-term asset.

<e​longated:matrix.org> This mentality hurt the community and adoption badly, and honestly, it’s still haunting things today.

you may have taken things too literally, if you use it it becomes valuable

as opposed to being a ponzi

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> agree with nioc this time

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> SEETHE OFRN SEEETHE

ofrn says that it must be convenient, therefore we need the browser wallet

<c​t:xmr.mx> the vast majority of the public hates crypto for the scammy number go up culture. I dont want to be grouped in with that trash, so it makes sense to focus on the usefulness as a tool. In an ideal world new people would use it, have like a 100USD worth of spare cash and randomly notice that holding xmr gave them a better roi then holding usd

<a​remor:matrix.org> Honestly, I think it’s going fine. Only thing that had me upset a bit was deliberating pissing off key developers; I thought that was dumb af.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Oh…. Haveno needs to disconnect from CEX price altogether….

<a​remor:matrix.org> And the Reddit needs to be abandoned & throw all that effort into lemmy instances & other alternatives.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Reddit needs to be abandoned

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it will never get abandoned

Reddit had more sane responses to the satellite proposal than twitter

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> satellite proposal, whats that?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> jackie

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sounds interesting

I do t want to steal 0.2xmr bounty form jackie for promoting it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> asked in dev yesterday but no response - does anyone know why stagenet has a different fee than test/main?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 36000 stage vs 20000 main/test

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> atsamd21 how is your haveno app progress going

<a​tsamd21:matrix.org> pretty good, hoping to have something out on monday so people can test

Meeting time monero-project/meta #1193

greetings!

Hello.

have any recent events highlights to bring up? please share

"alpha stressnet for FCMP++ is scheduled to be ready by May 21st, so get ready!" via jeffro256

<j​effro256:monero.social> Howdy

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> hi

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> lets share at the end. 12am here. lets go through the proposals and banter afterwards

repo link for atsamd21's haveno app github.com/atsamd21/Haveno-app

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> monero-project/meta #1193#issuecomment-2832012597

your local time does not dictate the meeting agenda

greeting and updates first

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hi

unless of course you are the moderator (also possible)

<c​t:xmr.mx> hello :)

nor does your lack of sleep bring urgency what so ever

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> x.com/rottenwheel1/status/1812412616146297197

👋

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> is it this one? x.com/rottenwheel1/status/1812412616146297197

👀

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> unstructured meetings just waste everyones time.

<a​tsamd21:matrix.org> No im working on a new one

Hi

you are unhappy with the structure, they are not unstructured. you are free to moderate you own communiyt meeting at a suitable local time , or the same time should people want that

the community meetings are majority 'ccs proposals', people have voiced their concerns about this too

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> cool. Would be interested to hear your take on the haveno proposal

5xmr for 129GBP, how is that real

stagenet are cheaper to mine

oh

monerokon.org , get ya tickets if you wish to attend

anyone have anything else to highlight?

update your monerods

<j​effro256:monero.social> The XMR/GBP rate is "correct" in the trade on the top, and than 10x lower in the bottom trade. Almost like someone forgot to move a decimal place, lol. But yeah it's fake XMR and fake GBP at the end of the day on stagenet

<j​effro256:monero.social> Cool if true, I know people have been waiting a long time for a mobile Haveno application

lets move on to the ccs proposals , starting with the easiest

e. [Add jeffro256-full-time-2025Q2](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/578)

Merge

+1

<d​everickapollo:matrix.org> Good move

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monero.social is dyin

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> merge

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> +1

<d​everickapollo:matrix.org> also merge

pigeons : any issues with the matrix server?

thanks for feedback

Yeah its dying

a. [Btcpayserver plugin](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/538)

Very slow

repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/538#note_29756 recent update here

My issues with btcpay have been resolved for the most part, retracted my nack

<d​everickapollo:matrix.org> Changes from feedback merged. Should be good to go

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> nice so we can merge

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> sgp also retracted

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> saw that in the btcpay matrix

thanks for the changes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no i disagree, dont merge, but i don't have any reason

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 👍️

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> /s

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> /jk

<d​everickapollo:matrix.org> ya all bounty funds were directed to this CCS

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> 👍️

the bounty funds are TBD still, i think

<j​effro256:monero.social> Curious: have any business directly relying on this plugin pledged to donate any amount of XMR to this CCS?

transferal of the bounty amounts could be rough to time

the bounties were closed (so nobody tries to claim them), but probably still need to ensure that the funds are properly appropriated as to not set precedent of rugging donors by change the goals

plowsof: out now, will check later, what are the symptoms?

Pigeons, just started to be very slow

apparently "slow" but functional*

usual stuff

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> got disconnected briefly

Seems to be back speedy now

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i couldn't do my joke

<d​everickapollo:matrix.org> I'll be campaigning for funding once we get to that stage.

<j​effro256:monero.social> I know I should have brought this up 3 months ago, so don't view this as a blocker, but would be nice to see some corporate support from interested parties before merging since this directly benefits for-profit companies (Coin Cards, Cake Pay, et al) while going through a crowdfunding avenue.

<j​effro256:monero.social> Tbc, it's a great initiative and definitely needs to get done.

coincards commented on the proposal

<d​everickapollo:matrix.org> Coincards has voiced intentions and I've been in contact with Vik. No concerns there. There are several more we should be communicating with.

Some people are complaining about btcpay breaking when they update to 2.1. I havent tried a direct upgrade, but i assume this needs to be fixed

alright thanks for feedback. will try and get confirmation on whats happening with _all_ the bounties funds. payouts are slow so might not be possible to donate them while the proposal is in funding.

seth made a series of tweets for the v2.1 fix for people using the docker method. an env variable and restart iirc

thanks for feedback

Yea, but needs to point to the new repo(?)

<j​effro256:monero.social> Thanks!

b. [Monero Browser Wallet](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/555)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> where r4v3r23 ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> where is the popcorn

spirobel

Just want to confirm that once this ccs is complete (or once m2 is complete), we will have a fully functional browser wallet?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> yes

bounties.monero.social/posts/11/1-216m-authentication-token-proxy , this seems completed pending review, just wanted to share the "http 402 payment required" thingy - have you already accomplished pay walled content via monero payment in browser? if yes can you fit it to this standard please? not sure if this is related to your current

proposal or future work

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> this is similar to the POC I built 2 years ago.

Meaning send, receive, subaddreses, seed backup(?), all that good stuff that we would expect from a wallet? (coin control?)

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> I also published the POC as open source recently

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> yes

indeed, l402 . net is that POC' but fitting to the standard

for example if gingeropolous wanted to enable his api for wordpress shops

<j​effro256:monero.social> I think the milestone conditions could be a clarified. "Monero Browser Wallet" as a milestone without further qualification is not clear what is actually being delivered and will inevitably result in drama down the road when people disagree on what a "monero browser wallet" is. What browsers are targeted? What are the actual features outline for this specific payout? What kind of <clipped message>

<j​effro256:monero.social> UI are you going for?

he could add a proxy infront of the back end api

then the grifters can pay , but slightly offtopic

jeffro, its (aiui) a browser extension like metamask

web wallet vs browser wallet big difference

Not sure if the same ux like metamask / brave wallet

one advantage of this wallet , it behaves like moneor-wallet-cli running on your machine. no need to find a node with CORS enabled

<j​effro256:monero.social> Yes, I understand the general concept of a browser wallet, but the proposal needs way more details attached to specific milestones so the community knows what it's funding, and what it will receive at specific milestones

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> I will rewrite the POC as an MV2 extension to get it published on the chrome store. the ui will contain everything you expect from a browser wallet like meta mask.

<j​effro256:monero.social> Because I want to avoid drama again where the proposer and the CCS participants misunderstand each other on which point the funds are released

the 3 deliverables under What jeffro256 repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…proposals/-/merge_requests/555#what should be clarified?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> In my view it is clarified enough because I also published the PoC source code. It is clear from that what a browser wallet is from my understanding

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> I can go ahead and do wireframes and spec everything out in detail, but that itself is a large chunk of work. And it will lead to inflexibility

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> sometimes a design needs to be adapted and iterated on

"What browsers are targeted? What are the actual features outline for this specific payout? What kind of UI are you going for?"<< probably clarify these in the proposal

yeah seems sane

<j​effro256:monero.social> The "Implementation" section repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…-/merge_requests/555#implementation is pretty decent at listing discrete tasks, perhaps this could be organized by milestone to delineate what is the "API" tasks vs what is the "browser wallet" tasks vs what is the "companion app" tasks?

Chrome store spirobel mentioned and tor browser

Tor browser is firefox, so i assume chrome and firefox(?)

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> it is but the markdown rendering messes it up.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> there are two browser extension stores: chrome and firefox. I will publish to both

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> that is the second milestone.

<j​effro256:monero.social> Cool, could you put that it the proposal, please?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> yes

+1 thanks for feedback

i did not, and i will not invite Jackie to this meeting, i don't want to bring this proposal up

d. [OPENENET-MS01-MoneroSpace-Decentralized-Satellite-Network](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/577)

Merge

Lol

Once funding fails, we can use the funds raised to blackhole it into the generalfund /s

Im jk. NACK

the funding amout was reduced, so its not even good for that anymore

<j​effro256:monero.social> I see we moved down from 30,000 XMR to 550 XMR

another 550 to go

Oh wtf. What a scam. If its not 30kxmr then its not worth discussing

Jackie should claim this bounty after appearing on monerotalk to promote the proposal bounties.monero.social/posts/186/0-420m-help-promote-monerospace yes?

no

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we will crush the dream of a 12y kid and we will be happy

but the donors will be rugged

they deserve it in this case

Lol 😬. Need that approved tag

closing monerospace and banning Jackies account . thoughts?

Maybe send it to doug

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof dont ban jackies

right, good idea, yes

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> i added the sentence "The extension will be published to the Chrome Web Store and the Firefox extension store." to the second milestone.

<j​effro256:monero.social> Why ban Jackie

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> CHICKEN JACKIE

Yes close, and warn first

he spams my notifications, emails (no bounties) and hides payout requests and actual updates

s/no/now

and uses alts on bounties site* lol ok just close it

closing monerospace

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof give me your account credentials and i'll mute him for you promise promise promise i swear i wont would never ever do anything else with it

"chicken jackie"

👍

[CCS Proposals] plowsoff closed merge request #577: OPENENET-MS01-MoneroSpace-Decentralized-Satellite-Network repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/577

c. [Haveno iOS and Android App](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/570)

quick update, milestones 1 and 2 are done, 3 and 4 are almost done.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cooking fr 🔥🔥

so there are currently three? people working on this separately (at least one of which is accused of being AI) - are there any advantages of your project vs theirs? or would you need time to compare/contrast

well one advantage is that the sdk is cross platform, instead of Windows dependent.

Due to that, it is likely that others will be able to maintain & contribute easier.

+ review

LootSpam (i think this is kewbit with a better LLM) bounties.monero.social/posts/126/37…n-source-android-app-for-haveno-dex

and atsamd21 github.com/atsamd21/Haveno-app

I think it would be easier to consider this proposal if it is ineligible to claim old-haveno funds (even if funding fails)

and we would need people responsible to review the work

Atsamd21's doesnt require a desktop

not people who give bad endorsements and have nothing to lose

I think norrinradd's does?

ofrnxmr two comments: to your first statement first, what's the reasoning behind it being ineligible?

After wasting the funds repeatedly, they should only be eligible for retroactively completed works.

Not paying for milestones that may or may not lead to completing the project

A major point of ccs is that you raise your own funds

being unable to raise the funds means that there isnt anyone who wants to fund the work

secondly, what is the feasibility of keeping an app running 24/7? Haveno is a DEX, and as such, means that each participant runs a web service. Is that something that people are going to be doing in mass on phones? In my experience, my offers usually take 4 days to be taken on Haveno (and I always intentionally price to be the cheapest option). Will a good number of people be able to

keep an app running for 4 days continually on a phone?

Those funds arent for a haveno app, but for a new desktop UI

im not sure of the similarity / resources but monero wallets are open 24/7 while background scanning

"they should only be eligible for retroactively completed works" -- if i understand that correctly, I agree. As statement, this milestones are already in progress and nearly completion.

have you been tracking your hours?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> is the goal that people run the haveno node on their desktop / laptop and then connect to that from their phone?

"but for a new desktop UI" -- I was going to mention that. This works on desktop as well.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> how does that enable "trading on the go" ?

well if the ccs is completed before funded, we can come back to discuss using haveno ui funds to top off the ccs funding required

<j​effro256:monero.social> spirobel: run Haveno daemon on computer, copy Tor hidden service link to phone, access daemon from phone

plowsof i'll have to check how that background scanning works. I doubt that. I believe the app wakes to scan, and then closes.

monfluo runs 24/7

Using a foreground service. It doesnt run periodically

spirobel the app works from anywhere

Cake runs periodically. Anonero also runs 24/7

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> seems like a mission for a webfrontend. + additional functionality in the daemon

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the app seems like another extra step

Yea. Its seems like pretty much just an interface to the api

wrapped in an "app" instead of a webapp

🤷‍♂️

Anyway, i think it needs more upvotes to consider merging

<j​effro256:monero.social> Yeah we could squash all these frontend development efforts (except for Native android/iOS Haveno daemon) into one by just making it a web frontend

<j​effro256:monero.social> And I don't even really think that a native haveno daemon on a mobile device is something that should be pursued anyways

so strangely enough, this compiles to web as well

I personally wouldn't use it that way, but it does

Jeffro256, review please monero-project/monero #9914 /s

nack 9914 without squashing

alright we have went over the hour, thanks all for attending and providing feedback

jeffro256 i doubt the usefulness also, but as I've discussed with someone else, it could be the next step afterward

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> thanks

<j​effro256:monero.social> ofnrxmr: github.com/FuneroBlockchain/Funero/…41ec8bc/src/cryptonote_config.h#L58 revolutionary idea

Cheers

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> this was a good session

Lololol HF every 250k blocks lololololol

"Genesis Block Reward: 50,000 FNRO" "Initial block reward: 7 FNRO"

"P2P Port: 38080

RPC Port: 38081

" jerkoff couldnt even find his own port range

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i read jeffrok couldn't even find his own port range

<j​effro256:monero.social> I don't like this new nickname

<j​effro256:monero.social> Btw thanks everyone ! Good meeting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> reasonably so 👍️

Good meeting, by bye.

"Anyway, i think it needs more upvotes to consider merging" -- how many are required?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 90

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> +0.5XM