Probably nothing twitter.com/CoinDesk/status/1442677891234414595

"Alibaba to stop selling mining machines"

only affects bitcoin I'd imagine

one thing is quite certain - it does NOT impact Monero

they removed ASIC and GPU rig sections AFAIK

good for monero I think, they will be looking for something to mine covertly

mining accessories too? but that was a good place to find cooling tech :/

Hmm could China ban Monero mining? Its not exactly as wide scale as BTC or requires specialised tech. Are we going to see an xmrp2pool.cn at some point? :P

from the Alibaba link, in addition to hardware China also banned tutorials and strategies

w0w

451F vibes

the future is now

can't stop the p2pool

wonder if since China is all stop on Bitcoin, will they start looking into knocking together a custom board CPU with 128+mb L3 cache, and 64GB GDDR6

naw, randomx requires full cpu and that will be extremely costly to start building the for mining purposes only

If they can make something extremely cheaply that'll get say 400h/s, then they can just bundle a few thousand of them together

Well that, yes, maybe.

farm inside a box

nice mega threading cpus with plenty of cache and ram on fast paths!

they might as well sell it to corporations at overpriced numbers and they make more

pauliouk: yeah they can package lots of them together but like at some point you're just making a super efficient general computing network which I'm sure has been tried way more than just for xmr mining

take something like a Raspberry Pi 4, take out all of the features that it doesn't need (video, audio, GPIO etc) give it a built in 2gb sdd, and it'll give you 100h/s. Make it for $5, $50 gets you 1kh

inb4 you end up with AMD cores

it's all a single embedded chip pauliouk

also the ssd is not what hashrate gives it

rip it all out

saves having space for an sd card ;)

you need the ram allocation, L3 cache probably

why sd card if you just want to make a core

just boot to ramdisk

just figure it'd be easier to take what they already have the blueprints for and reskin them like usual

take HR/cost and you end up with optimum prices, without accounting for power

and you end up looking at some AMD stuff

10K/h for $500 ...

^ development in general computing processors is going to be leagues ahead of anything thats "good" at xmr mining

one can hope proper general purpose high performance ARM64 cores make it out soon

look further pauliouk

pauliouk: I know its just an example but for $500 you can get a whole 3900x rig for like 16kh/s

hmm, not in the UK :P

not in finland either..

also: it's biased towards areas

the cpu itself costs 500€~ here

jaska087: ouch

electronics are extremely pricey here T_T

and everything pretty much.. :d

I think the cpu prices pumped about 10% recently, been looking for two 5950x cpu's for upgrade

verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/62822/q…yzen-9-5950X-prosessori-AM4-kantaan hmm.. sale!

I had like a 6 day period of no shares with 31kh/s after I tried p2pool git with monerod from the release, and then I switched to the release p2pool to see if it would fix and I started finding shares again. Now I haven't found a share in well over a day again and nor has any of my other friends but one on my monero node when we have combined like 70kh/s, should be getting shares every 3ish hours with that

I can't tell whats a problem and whats just bad luck, everything is updated and fully functional from my inspections

I have seen personal 600% bad luck

🙄

I also have had back luck lately, expect the 9 payouts I got this midday

I'm more worried now just cause it seems like I fixed a hidden problem the first time I wasnt getting shares, I get like 4 a day on average so thats like 2400% over 6 days

and coincidently fixed after I changed p2pool versions would be a bit much

well, it works with the release as is

you could put on a foil hat and start randomly restarting everything ;P

jaska087: I have been kinda frequently for the last few days as I troubleshoot and update and stuff

p2pool readme got updated to include some new monerod flags for better mining so I added those

yeah those pretty much stops your monero node stalling if you have bad behaving or slow dns servers

but eliminating anything that is not really needed is a bonus

I made a bot for my discord server to ping for shares and give special roles and other awards for finding shares, and like 3 people with 7kh/s havent found a block in 5 days and one dude has found 7, they all have the exact same p2pool setup that I directed on their windows machines, I'm saying its probably just bad luck but they're getting kinda annoyed/suspicious :/

2 of the 3 found a block within like 6 hours but nothing after that actually, thats their only shares

this whole situation is just confusing

well they expect average results

but you can only calculate the average long term :)

short term it's noise

I mean, statistically this is a pretty huge outlier

at the moment I'm still convinced its bad luck but I'm getting suspicious as effort for all of us starts to hit several multiples of 100

well I would say that person was pretty lucky

did their shares actually get counted, or was it low diff

actually counted

and their stats show fine on p2pool right?

worker stats

in status yeah, though I don't have much data cause I just check status for troubleshooting to make sure it looks like its working right which it does, they open and close as they game on their pcs

so data is reset

seems complex

the whole situation is :/ I don't know what to do anymore but hope its not broke and wait for regression towards the mean

mmh it's hard to convince ppl because it's all random :\

it's easier solomining with less variance :)

`sudo ./monerod --zmq-pub tcp://0.0.0.0:18083 --disable-dns-checkpoints --enable-dns-blocklist --rpc-bind-ip 0.0.0.0 --confirm-external-bind --restricted-rpc --limit-rate-up 65536 --in-peers 2`... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…79255475ef391720e62e807aebf814ecee6)

last time I went a week without shares after getting plenty of them daily the week before was after the release came out and I switched to release monerod with aur p2pool, and then switched to release p2pool which fixed it, now I'm getting the problems with that setup

maybe I should compile monerod again but it looks like the codes the same so shouldnt change anything, but I can't think of any other options

mm, my machine is pretty limited on memory because of all the things I have running on it, but I don't see a correlation between shares and time frames when more memory has been in use, either way I should probably make a swap partition

how many connections do you have on monerod?

12(out)+2(in)

I limited ins cause the uploads were sucking up my 1tb data limit, shouldnt matter to this tho

I also won the xmrvsbeast hash raffle but only got shares equivalent to 200kh/s when it said it was about 900kh/s at the time, this was around the time shares started to be very uncommon for me again

^dunno if thats at all related but might be worth mentioning

more weirdness and adding on to supposed bad luck

naw it doesn't matter

if you guys are paranoid you can try running p2pools of my node and see if it changes anything, I doubt it but hey anything goes at this point right?

if you're on other continent then it's not a good idea :D

mmm Yes hello

Maybe either your p2pool or monerod are behind?

match output with what it says on p2pool.observer

jaska087: might try xmrvsbeast node

ok

DataHoarder: I'm getting the transactions not found in pool but that was explained yesterday to be possibly unrelated

DataHoarder: let me try

yea I've been mining for almost a week straight during the nights with p2pool and i have yet to get a single share at like 7000h on average

24/7 5000 H/s gets me share every 1-2 days

by average, but its running 24/7

yea i only run it during the nights mostly 'cause i game durin' the day

DataHoarder: last 2 blocks align pretty well on my node to the observer

plus 10 000 H/s when I'm not using my pc

teedles[m]: i'll give p2pool the benefit of the doubt for this but still

I've got ~4kh 24/7, get a share every couple days

i know someone else who got like a cpu just a bit weaker than mine and hes on the p2pool 24/7

got nothing the previous 3 days, then a couple this morning

mayb not 24/7 but close enough

and no shares

my mac should be doing a steady 2kh but it keeps sending stale jobs and getting banned by p2pool

lol

F

so it's offline for a lot of the time

In the future if p2pool grows shares are gonna become very rare for low hashrate miners, are shares the actual p2pool blocks and the system wouldnt work well with faster times?

what faster times?

otherwise, yes, you're correct

faster block times so difficulty is lower

regardless the situation is no worse than for regular pool mining.

time to make another p2pool to mine p2pool blocks

the situation is always better in fact, since p2pool has no fees

also no transactions fees ;) OR?

lowering difficulty won't increase payouts. the only thing that gets a payout is being lucky enough to solve the mainnet hash

hyc: yeah, but long term p2pool blocks are gonna be comparably difficult as solo mining is now

long run it's all the same, minus fees.

hyc: I mean like you can't get a payout until you find a p2pool share

Holy fuck my 6800XT is 76 degrees

which isnt the case for the majority of my friends

It's NEVER been this hot

if you have only 400H/s, you will wait forever to get the minimum payout threshold on a regular pool\

s/isnt/is/

teedles[m]: GPU mining hit diff

hyc: true, but operators will lower fees and transaction fees will decrease as the network grows along with the dynamic blocks, and p2pool wont

p2pool has no fees to decrease, so it is always better than any other pool

it also has fewer orphan blocks (in theory) because all found blocks are broadcasted by all miners at the same time

Yeah but if it takes half a year a p2pool block then it wont be very attractive

you're still missing the point.

if it takes half a year with p2pool it will also take at least half a year on any regular pool

not a single pool has > 100 distributed monero nodes to broadcast its blocks

^this <3

but it's also its weakness in sense ;P

hyc: I would assume operators to lower minimum payouts if this were the case that monero became very popular and more valuable, because they could scale it to the situation that is now just with lower units, since transaction fees will scale

you're still talking peanuts to pineapples

the p2pool payout is like 2-3 orders of magnitude smaller than other pool thresholds

I'm not understanding then :(

no matter how low they lower their thresholds they will always be more costly than p2pool

what part of <anything non-zero is greater than p2pool's zero> do you not understand?

hyc: but you can't get a payout until you find a share I think, so the minimum payout is only as good as the reward for finding a share at first?

or am I mistaken that you don't get payouts before you find a block cause I havent experienced it myself as I found a share fast

s/block/share/

and you can't get a payout from a regular pool before you find a share either

hyc: this isnt about transaction fees though, its about minimum payouts

no matter what, a 400H/s miner is going to wait a long time for their first payout

hyc: but regular pools can have far lower difficulties than p2pool

Min payout is still better here

you find a share

and on a regular pool with a threshold like 0.1-0.5xmr it will take years

one of 2160 blocks

you get, let’s say 4 payouts on average

p2pool payouts also have 0 XMR fee which is not possible with regular transactions

Have seen 0.00029 and similar due to uncles

right now it is, but what about the future when the share difficulty rises so much it will take months?

abberant[m]: you're forgetting that those shares are also worth less when they're on such low difficulty.

sech1: ^

does not matter, that also means you will get paid out more when you find it

cause p2pool finds more blocks

hyc: but you can still get paid out for them, you can't unless they're really high diff on p2pool

no.

which still means you would not get paid out on a centralized pool

you won't reach the minimum payout threshold

You would not reach the minimum, as fees kind of grow

done repeating myself, I'm out of this conv.

I'm under the assumption that pool operators would lower minimums to stay competitive as I don't see a reason for them not to

they can't lower minimums to what p2pool can afford because of transaction fees

39 or so bytes per output, cannot really be beaten

in theory, even if the hashrate doubles, doubling the difficulty, it will take double the effort for you to mine a share, but in return you will get paid double the times

I have no clue how much lower fees get but would they not lapse p2pool share reward eventually?

jaska087: yeah this is all understanded

non-zero is always greater than zero. simple math dude.

hyc: fee's arnt the issue though

They are for low hashrate ones

I'm only talking about time to get a payout, everything else p2pool is obviously superior

where fee for min payout is like 30%

and time to get a payout isnt an issue yet

and probably wont be for a long time

which also would take longer than p2pool

say what is the minimum on centralized pools out there

moneroocean is 0.003

thats all I know

minimums are there for a reason, they cannot lower them more or it doesn’t make sense any longer

^

yes, p2pool is about 0.0003 if you get an uncle share at the moment

how long does it take to get 0.003

on MO

my whole arguement is based on the assumption that fees will lower like they're supposed to with dynamic blocks, and at some point they might become low enough where it makes sense for centralized pools minimum payouts to be lower than the reward that you earn from finding a p2pool share, because in both of those situations is your first payout

vs how long does it take to get to 0.003 on p2pool, about the same in average given same luck/no issues

dynamic blocks do not lower fees

its probably not the same "feature" if what I'm saying exists at all, but I read a few times on r/monero about monero transaction fees adjusting over time

it takes about 3 days with no fees for 5000 H/s to get that 0.003

if I'm mistaken then the thing I've been arguing isnt valid anymore

so seems like i've been lucky?

jaska087: if we had the same hashrate as minexmr it would take 2 months

almost

and even longer if p2pool grows even more over the years, though I suppose CPUs also improve, if p2pool becomes the dominant pool then it would take many months for payouts on consumer cpus

and years on bad laptops

abberant[m]: as in, on a congested mempool block size can be increased by miners up to the point that it makes sense for them, but no more, but this is when mempool is used. It lowers average you need, but NEVER below base low

Well you can always start another sidechain

You cannot go below what is already the minimum

it probably will pay too but it takes again alooot longer

^ cause you do not find blocks as easy indeed

jaska087: this is the solution to what I've been saying, thanks for bringing it up

Also be mindful of your smaller chain being 51%’d

if we have lots of small p2pools then it wouldnt be so much of an issue

password protections is there for a reason DataHoarder ;)

Yep, with closed groups it works

but you have to find the balance of block times on actual monero network and p2pool share times

but then you do not find Monero blocks

400H/s divided by 3GH is a very small number, no matter how you slice it

whether you join a big pool or a small pool, solo mine or p2pool, you will wait a long long time to get anything

in the end the sure way to get more Monero is to have more hashrate :<

But most peeps want short term solutions and rewards

Yeah then buy monero

they're not invested enough

abberant[m]: well I don't know if I made it clear but this is what I was trying to argue, but apparently pool min payouts are going to rise if monero grows as well so the future is just far longer for payouts for everyone? or am I missing an inverse effect

more sidechains can remedy the share difficulty problem to an extent, if you have enough hashrate, or people have sidechains with enough hashrate to find monero blocks consistently

if Monero hashrate grows, well

if you stay constant you will also get less over time

besides decreasing block rewards

why does my p2pool say 0 incoming? should have all my ports forwarded, don't wanna be hurting propagation

I have every port I've heard of forwarded...

what's your ip?

have you been banned?

24.131.175.237

oof...

🤨

sec..

oof

maybe this is part of my no shares problem?

that IP looks suspiciously familiar

there's definetly something wrong

did you change p2pool code or config.json?

wait, wasn't it that IP which sent invalid PoW blocks?

umm

Yep sech1

DataHoarder: I'm not smart enough for that D:

Got a few logged on disk

I've been seeing some yellow recently and monerod being spammed with invalid transactions, maybe there was some desync?

Maybe different ip

24.131.175.237 is the only one I've ever used

Well at least it is not the one that has invalid shares

DataHoarder: 😓

Not close to my logs at the moment, do you have ban messages sech1 ?

maybe your node is lagging too badly abberant[m]

yes, this IP gets banned regularly

you could add only bunch of exclusive nodes

24.20.149.59 was the IP that sent invalid blocks

so it's different

pretty sure everyone here has quite stable monero node

so small circle to keep your data usage low and connectivity at max

my internet should be very stable, but the machine it runs on is pretty balls to the walls with cpu/mem usage, I set xmrig to low priority to use the extra cpu

ah..

I have other machines but used this one for convenience as it has tons of cores, maybe its a bad idea?

I should disable some cores in xmrig then to reduce load, do you think memory could be an issue as well?

no, it's the cpu usage

randomx allocation hasnt been working on all of monerod, p2pool, and xmrig at the same time (dunno about solo) and commands havent been fixing it, I don't think it matters though

so, why would I have no incoming connections if my node gets banned temporarily and every so often? do good nodes just give up or move on from trying to connect to it after a few tries?

You get removed from peer list

and not shared with others

I assume theres no way to fix that unless new miners join or existing node operators manually remove me

ban lasts only for 10 minutes

if you fix your node, you will be able to reconnect

both monerod and p2pool seemed to be getting main chain blocks on time, I assume theres too much of a delay for constructing new p2pool blocks so theres not enough time for shares to be submitted?

maybe you have some firewall or antivirus blocking p2pool messages, because your node can get banned if it doesn't send anything

I removed 2 cores, I have a few other apps that will use them but they shouldnt be stressed very often if at all

sech1: using minimal arch with ufw allowing every monero/p2pool related port I've heard of

`Connections = 8 (0 incoming)`

How long should I expect to wait for this to change

this is normal if your port is not accessible for incoming connections

I would like to if it will help the network as I heard not many people allow that

I probably need a p2pool flag, thanks for pointing it out I'll take a look

also, I really appreciate the help from everyone here, and your work on this project in the first place

its amazing

abberant[m]: not seeing anything on the github, all the correct ports should be accessible

So this brings up a question. Sometimes I fire up a p2pool and connect with my wallet address to check to see if there are any shares in the window. It works well. But since there are no miners connected to that p2pool, can I get myself banned since it isn't sending?

doubt it, your node is still going to be seeding other blocks and its not going to try and send empty data anyways if theres nothing to be sent

s/seeding/sending/

but it still participates by receiving and sending new blocks I bet

EDad no

p2pool node without miners still sends data to other nodes (relaying blocks and so on)

Thanks for that sech1. I spend too much time fretting about what might be wrong with my setup. 🙂

yea no problem bro. anytime

(Fact: I am not Sech1)

sorry Sech1 lmao

i swear it was joke man

What list or log lists banned IP's?