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hyc
bitcoin still using BerkeleyDB? or LevelDB? either one sucks
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gingeropolous
had an interesting thought regarding how monero uses hardforks to roll out new stuff. In the case of some catastrophic bug introduced in a new release, what's stopping people from just going back to the old chain?
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gingeropolous
i mean, i know there's like socio-eceonomic flibberdegibbits, but say we have version x, then theres a version Y released and a fork with new Y rules, and then some n blocks after the fork it all falls apart... couldn't we all just go back to X, and miners just start putting their hash back on x?
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gingeropolous
flibbertigibbets is the proper, according to this clients spellcheck
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gingeropolous
i guess ppl that bought xmr on an exchange, and then deposited it on the new chain Y would have their monero histories erased entirely
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gingeropolous
weird to have a built in time machine
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gingeropolous
well i guess any blockchain is
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hyc
since ordinarily the chain with most PoW wins, how do you tell everyone that X is officially valid and forget about Y ?
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gingeropolous
the thought is that it would be self evident
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gingeropolous
like, news would get out that the new update had major flaws
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gingeropolous
and the amorpheous blob that is the monero network would just naturally migrate back to the working version
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gingeropolous
and in the way that monero currently works, its not really the chain with the most PoW... X and Y have different consensus rules
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gingeropolous
i mean, yeah, perhaps in the sense that there is available hashrate to attack the other in some fashion, then "the most PoW wins"
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gingeropolous
but when we fork to new consensus, the old consensus doesn't "lose", per se. it just withers because no one grows the chain. whithers
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gingeropolous
nope def withers
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moneromooo
gingeropolous: not really a time machine, since txes sent to Y can be sent to X if they do not use inputs from after the fork.
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moneromooo
If there's a switch like BP to BP+, about a day's txes are subject to that.
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moneromooo
Well, less than a day in practice. If there's no such switch+ban, more than a day.
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moneromooo
So it'd be pretty messy. Some part of the early Y-after-X history would bleed onto X.
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gingeropolous
right, it'd be messy, but monero would technically still work, just using X instead of Y
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gingeropolous
ok how did i just refresh a wallet with restore height of 2015 in less than 3 minutes
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moneromooo
You need to use solid state RAM, not the old spinning RAM. Much faster to refresh the wallet.
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gingeropolous
lol
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gingeropolous
A19uuqhhWYCKjipnpojZgU52QDPTYzzTnX17LDHde2i71bijam7yPQJT3dzutHNMjSTPCQFmegw3S47VHeEvHjMaKyAdz6h
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gingeropolous
oh the things i could do with this testnet monero
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gingeropolous
huh. why does that testnet wallet have A19 as the start
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gingeropolous
was that the old style?
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moneromooo
Starting with 9 or A. Hasn't changed AFAIK.
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Mochi102
I'm selling some stagenet XMR for cheap. I'll part with it for 1/2 the price of mainnet XMR.
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Mochi102
Just tell me how much you want.
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bomdia11
does monero-wallet-gui also support the creation of unsigned_monero_tx for view-only wallets or I can only do this via cli?
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selsta
it should work
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selsta
advanced options on transfer screen
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bomdia11
thanks selsta
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garth
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garth
How to help test the upcoming major release 👆
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sech1
garth there's also
SChernykh/p2pool #153 but this is for people who know how to compile from source
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moneromooo
Good thing someone added a makefile which does it all for you automatically ^_^
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apotheon
if you're on the right OS
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garth
Nice!
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moneromooo
What Linux ?
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garth
Is there even a single other cryptocurrency that has a p2p pool with significant hash?
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moneromooo
(I remember some guy answer "which windows do you have" when I said something would not work on my OS)
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apotheon
That's hilarious.
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apotheon
and/or depressing
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moneromooo
I also remember, maybe... 25 years ago... jeez... (that one's NOT depressing)
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moneromooo
I was in a mall, there was a tiny stall in the middle of the hallway, selling video games.
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moneromooo
I had a look, and there was a Linux section. I thought WTF. There were maybe a dozen boxes or so. I was so surprised, I picked two.
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moneromooo
The woman said "those are for linux, you realize that ?"
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moneromooo
I said "yes". She smiiiiled :D
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apotheon
nice
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moneromooo
My memory's a bit hazy, and I might be reconstructing here, but I think she had trouble printing a receipt.
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apotheon
Was the "which Windows" person clueless or denigrating Windows when asking that?
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apotheon
Either way is amusing, but with rather differing flavor.
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moneromooo
She ended up calling the stall's owner (boyfriend/hubby maybe, I dunno) for help, and said "someone bought linux games", she was excited :D
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apotheon
That seems like a fun time.
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moneromooo
Anyway, turns out she was using a linux machine to ring things up, and obviously printing fucked up, because printing on linux.
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moneromooo
I don't think she ended up fixing it, but who cares. I reckon we were the first ones to buy linux games from her.
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moneromooo
25 years ago. She was a pioneer :D
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apotheon
sweet
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apotheon
Selling Linux games at a mall kiosk in the '90s is pretty far ahead of the game.
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moneromooo
So, yes. Some say "which windows", some just add a tiny linux category just in case. Like we do. There's bitcoin ? Fuck this, we'll have privacy for those who care enough.
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apotheon
right
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moneromooo
Gotta say, I was amazed when I browsed and saw linux games.
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moneromooo
I don't think she expected to sell any. It was just for the hell of it.
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apotheon
I recall seeing Red Hat and SuSE Linux boxes on shelves at a computer store, perhaps around the same time as your Linux games experience.
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moneromooo
The way she told us "it's for linux, do you realize", like she was kind of expecting us to say "oh shit, thanks", but with a hope in her eyes :D
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apotheon
also BeOS
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moneromooo
Badass of the year.
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apotheon
Hell, I think it was something like an OfficeMax kinda place.
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moneromooo
"Was the "which Windows" person clueless or denigrating" - that was something else entirely, just a clueless big chain electronics salesman.
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apotheon
gotcha
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apotheon
le sad, but amusing in a sorta depressing, dark humor way
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moneromooo
Well, that was maybe... 20 years ago this one. So... not super surprising either.
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apotheon
naturally
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apotheon
Macs were barely starting to come back around then, I think.
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moneromooo
Way before.
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moneromooo
Well, "way". Years, at least.
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apotheon
could be
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apotheon
My memory of the timeline was very fuzzy at the time.
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apotheon
I'm trying to remember when iMac commercials started showing up on TV.
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moneromooo
Maybe I have my dates a bit wrong, but I go by "when this happened, this was true" etc, and deduce the probably years...
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apotheon
Yeah, I'm kinda similar about trying to remember when things happened.
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apotheon
The first iMac ads I saw just kinda exist in a vacuum in my memory, though.
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moneromooo
Anyway. One the events in my life when I thought people can change the world, if they're in numbers.
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moneromooo
And numbers start with one. And I am one.
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apotheon
The way to get that kind of momentum is to entice people with economic incentives in some way -- which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with money, per se.
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apotheon
generally speaknig
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apotheon
s/nig/ing/
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apotheon
Did you like the games?
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moneromooo
One, very much so, played it for years. The other one, barely could run it...
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moneromooo
IIRC I could run it only after I switched to another distro :D Maybe even hardware, not sure.
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moneromooo
I think it might have been excruciatingly slow. I really can't remember much there...
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moneromooo
And I wasn't good enough to debug the kernel at the time.
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moneromooo
But 1/2 wasn't bad. Linux at the time, after all :D
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moneromooo
Anyway. Blather blather. Sorry :D
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apotheon
You don't need to apologize to *me*. I found it interesting.
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garth
Very interesting
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remanifest
I was 12 when I installed Mandrake on my first computer. Quickly went to Slackware. Used that for a while, then went to Gentoo. Found my way to Debian, then Ubuntu, then Arch. Haven't looked back.
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remanifest
All that playing around with Linux helped me tremendously as I entered the workforce.
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remanifest
I had a hiatus for about 5 years where I used macOS almost exclusively. When I went back to Linux, I was blown away by how much it had matured.