I don't even think you can even buy nfts in local monero

<Nitro> I refuse to understand NFTS and Web3

<Nitro> there is so much of that shit and I can't understand a damned thing

<Nitro> Everything past normal coin like Bitcoin and Monero and Ethereum feels convoluted and unnecessary

anyone know the first day that a m0rb was minted?

Selling a monkey picture for 100 XMR. This is a steal. DM if interested.

what was the date the first set of m0rbs hit the chain?

Imajin paying 100XMR for an ugly monkey

RavFX: imagine paying $400k+ for monero.com

s/./ dot /

monero.com have some use. An ugly monkey picture don't have any

-picture+low res drawing with mspaint.exe

will this monkey be good for a quick 100x? if so i would be interested

naa, if you buy it you will probably be the last one who pay that price

not that over 95% of the NFT did -99% but 95% of the NFT did -99%

so this monkey is in the 5% that will +1000%?

I was just a really big washing machine on Ethereum. Monero don't need that, it's so funny

and ordinals on btc

That monkey is worth the TX it did cost to mint it, nothing more, nothing less

tx fee*

<RavFX> "monero.com have some use. An..." <- none

> <@RavFX:libera.chat> monero.com have some use. An ugly monkey picture don't have any

* none. just as useless. in this case maybe even damaging

It would damaging that monero.com point to the monero project instead of a third party site?

Somone actually donated for that but the money ended up into the gf lol

RavFX: yeah i know

<Bon 💗> Dude i agree

<Bon 💗>

<Nitro> Can I mine wownero on shitty laptop?

Anyone heard of skycoin?

fmlatghor: No but I'll check it out

xmrlover[m]: involved in a weird scandal

<bridgerton[m]> "<Nitro> Can I mine wownero on..." <- You technically can. You probably shouldn't. You'll just ruin your battery from all the overheating

<bridgerton[m]> "<Nitro> I refuse to understand..." <- nfts makes sense to some degree. but do we all agree to use the same system to represent ntfs? (cant even do it with money lol) no we are just re-making things again and again hoping to win it all and be rich. i do like the do one thing well philosophy of unix/linux and monero and just build out from there with different tools/merge mining/etc. individual artistic creators probably have the

most to benefit with more power thanks to nfts? imagine releasing your own limited artwork/music/books etc etc. people still want that limited digital thing and it will have some value.

the provenance of my mp3 and flac collection is not to be trusted i got them with legitimacy unless i show people my bandcamp (until it gets closed down) or i could show you my physical records that werent just copied.

or nfts?

nfs?

Will this be monero calling?

What the fuck lol

"The source code for the explorer currently running in production is not yet publicly available"

"Additionally, we plan to release a public API in April for your convenience"

Dickroaches

Maybe they want to get pentested

By monero

Wen ccs to help these bums get a life

We do do charity, right mj?

best ordinal under 1060 bytes competition

Moneropunks for sure

anything over 1060 was involved in the premine

Worst premine in history

Monerobull still holds the best nft on the chain

(Monerochan gif)

Is it 1060 of padding or 1060 total for tx_extra?

1060 total

1/2 tx you can put a 1kb tx on there

1/16 you can only put 505bytes

ofrnxmr[m]: +steg

ok that's what I thought, thanks for detailing

I dont like

It solves 1 attack out of like 5

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Monerobull still holds the..." <- I also got a ton of good numbers

And the entirety of the Monerochan morb collection

All thanks to plowsof 🙏

No thanks to morDinal noobs

Thanks to boog and/or rav as well,for unbreaking the build

Security through obscurity is the dumbest thing in the world. So, no. Im not being sarcastic

Why is Cake sync on a new wallet so fast compared to core

Is it because their nodes are faster or their sync implementation is different?

cockliuser: If you create a new wallet there is nothing to sync.

You must ask yourself what you are doing with the GUI wallet

Yeah probably something weird going on with my config lol

Are you asking the GUI wallet to sync from block height 0? That would be completely unnecessary with a new wallet with no XMR in it

Or are you downloading the blockchain and storing it?

hello all, anyone knows where I can buy a domain name with anonymously with monero?

exCAT: Njalla and 1984.is both take XMR

do you recommend one over the other?

<cockliuser[m]> "Yeah probably something weird..." <- Make sure node is running before creating the wallet (?)

exCAT: Njalla VPS uptime is poor. Check every service's terms of service.

I already have a VPS, I was only interested in a domain name, Njalla seems to have more TLDs than 1984

ofrnxmr: I'm using a remote node lol

The issue was that Cake's node is order of magnitudes faster than the one I was using

Cake mentioned on Twitter that they had some speedups somehow I think.

Was it this? twitter.com/cakewallet/status/1603084872054087682

When looking at global mining... is one block in the blockchain worked on by all at the same time (serial), or is work for several blocks handed out at the same time? (concurrent)

If a remote node is particularly slow, I suspect it is run on a raspberry pi or similar. It might be worth trying a few others.

I haven't personally noticed Cake wallet syncing any faster than when using my own remote node, which uses upper-middle tier consumer hardware.

ofrnxmr shared some network benchmarks when connecting to a node untrusted vs trusted

rooter0_: One block at a time.

Each block includes a part of the previous block, so mining cannot begin until the directly previous block is set in stone.

Wallet syncing can be bottlenecked by the node, yeah. You can watch network and see periods if no network activity while the slow node is gathering more info to send over

rooter0_: Each block that each miner is working on is slightly different so there is low chance of a "hash collision" that would be wasted hashing effort. The blocks may contain roughly the same set of transactions though.

Both of these statements are true ^

NTFS windows HDD vs a node running on an SSD that support NFTS no problem

That's weird.

I would ask what is, but rooter is a 24/25 year expert

Mining is not necessarily intuitive.

... and I'm seeing that mining Monero isn't worth it. Is anyone making money who doesn't join a paltry pool or have a CPU farm with free power?

i will try to refer to nfts as nft's to avoid confusion

Hashing a block is like rolling several handfuls of dice are trying to get a really low sum. If I roll once and don't get a low number, does that affect the probability of getting a low number the next time I roll? No. The rolls are independent

is XMR immutable? Like if a security update is pushed, what about the nodes on the blockchain that don't update?

that don't update their software

Rucknium[m]: Interesting.

fmlatghor: Depends on what type of update it is. If there is a change to the consensus rules (which nodes have to agree to, anyway), then non-updated nodes will drop themselves from the network.

If it's not a consensus change, then those nodes can stay on. There is no rule against running slightly different software if it does not affect consensus

Mining Monero is pretty close to a free entry industry. According to standard economic theory, free entry causes zero economic profits.

....if all firms have the same cost structure, I might add.

anyone use Bisq? How do i get an arbiter or peer to sign a new account?

<cockliuser[m]> "Why is Cake sync on a new wallet..." <- Maybe they have clustered monerod 👀

when can we cancel this ccs 😭

Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): keeps asking for updates and i have nothing to tell him

What's the purpose of setting the Monero wallet to listen on 18081? In case you have multiple daemons?

18081 is for unrestricted RPC, 18089 is for restricted RPC, 18080 is for P2P. One daemons need many ports, usually you want P2P and at least one RPC

But it seems that you can also set the -wallet- to listen on RPC. Why?

To be able to control it remotely. For example you might want to make a store that not only receive monero, but also allow customer to cancel orders and so do the refunds automatically

Or if you make service that allow deposit and withdraw of monero, then you have to control a wallet with RPC

So if you also want to mine, I don't see how to set the miner daemon to feed the wallet.

When you mine, you connect to the node RPC, not the wallet

Seems like the inverse should be possible?

You don't need to control a wallet to mine. But you need to get the latest TX data from the node mempool

"miner daemon to feed the wallet" -> you supply an address to mine to

And when you mine a block, you put send a payout to yourself for the coinbase coin, that again don't need a wallet RPC, but you do have to provide you're wallet address to the miner so it make the transaction for that wallet if it mine a block

Seems like that could be done with wallet listening instead of node?

... except there's no daemon switch.

what will the wallet listen to

I could be but you will not get latest TX data... And it would increase latency to pull data from wallet instead of the node because the wallet would have to pull it from the node

Plowsof11: He want to use wallet RPC instead of node RPC. Afaik you only use wallet RPC if you provide a service that require receiving and sending monero (and even for receiveing only, a wallet rpc is not required)

Rucknium[m]: thanks,

Is there an undocumented node switch to direct to a wallet RPC server?

<plowsof11> ""miner daemon to feed the wallet..." <- He's ignoring you, dont even answer him lol

Useless plowsof

It would make sense, like an empty box in the Periodic Table...

rooter0_: What is a "node switch to direct to a wallet RPC server"?

If I set the wallet to listen on RPC rather than the node, I would need to direct the node to use the wallet as a server. But there's no switch for that.

Because you don't connect you're node to a wallet, it's designed to be the opposite

uhhh hnng

(Just thinking like a lawyer)

rooter0_: You need to think like a programmer instead

Ain't one. I'm an infosec type, a real estate developer, and a lawyer. Sorry for the noise.

You'd think an infosec guy would understand separation of concerns and programming interfaces

merope1: why so rude?

An infosec type thinks forwards and backwards.

Here, I'll help you: The wallet is the 'hive'. The 'prize'. And it should have the choice of whether to access the node or not. There, is that better?

heinrich[m]: Because he keeps using that "infosec guy with decades of experience" line to justify not reading the manuals or listening to people with more experience with Monero software, when we're just trying to point him in the right direction

nodes talk to nodes on P2P port 18080. Everything else talk to node on RPC port 18081 or 18089.

merope1: i see

Wallet don't expose a P2P port

Had he bothered to read a few paragraphs on monerodocs.org like I suggested last time, he'd understand the difference betwen monerod and wallet-rpc

And I would expect someone with that claimed experience to understand that just because two programs use similar interfaces to communicate, that doesn't mean they are interchangeable

Ok merope1 You're with ofrnxmr[m] and plowsof... You should try and try to understand, "*** The channel topic is "[XMR] Be excellent to each other and welcoming to newcomers" Setting you to Ignore too.

breaking news; your monero is not in your wallet and never was

they have totally different API yeah. Exchanges and merchants would use Wallet API.

Just argumentative.

also your bed is not in your house keys

Because exchange and merchands would want to send and receive monero automatically (like someone pressing withdraw button)

RavFX: Understand the function of the ports. I am asking for undisclosed reasons. Wasn't aware of the Merchant functions tho, thx.

Yep, the mercants and exchanges use wallet services (because the receive and send monero), that's why the wallets expose RPC port (probably the only reason)

(but, in restricted mode...)

that's a node RPC 18089. The difference is that unrestricted have more available function than restricted. some node only offer restricted.

So that sort of wallet must be considered hot.

for example, you can't know the version of the node daemon if you ask on the restricted port.

I noticed that with status, until I fixed it locally.

Yes, if a website connect to the wallet RPC to be able to send monero, that's considered HOT

Any wallet with keys on an internet accessible device is hot

Oh, lol, forgot, he cant hear me

We need chatgpt integration

Why chatGPT? Just download the Meta LLama leak (only ~220GB) Then pull that c++ program from github to use it, so you have

your local AI to query as wish

I mean, to answer rooters Google questions

Yeah, then integrate that as a bot here

Nice.

It twerks!

it just twerks

Yep, toungue out and all.

RavFX: he's still confused between wallet-rpc vs node restricted/unrestricted rpc

(sp)

Plowsof could you make a GitHub issue for me please?

Got your email, remote at the moment

of course lza

lza_menace

feature request for displaying tx extra nodes?

Yep

thanks dawwwg

Name and shame tx_extra nodes

<plowsof11> "Dan (Is not the man & Braxman..." <- ANSWER ME!!! ily :)

Yo

Hello monero crew

I am now runing the newer version of the CLI but I lost my synch history with the extraction of the new file how do I fix this.

went from 18.0.0 to 18.2.0

Anyone Hanging around at all to help me out?