Teaching the Mexico City vendors that will be at MoneroTopia this weekend about Monero and onboarding them in preparation:

If anyone here is interested in cofactors and the way they impact elliptics curves like ed25519 this article walks through some of the ideas and a mostly approachable explanation of the ideas: loup-vaillant.fr/tutorials/cofactor

I found the article in a google search.

is there any reason to use accounts over new files, or vice versa?

If you use accounts you don't have to make new files lol

But besides that there's really not too much of a different, different accounts keep the funds "separate" from a UX perspective

Refreshing is easier if you use accounts

If you use different wallets with different seeds, then learning the seed for one won't compromise the other

in the wallet, are accounts derivation paths or something?

Traditionally yes, account spend keys are derived from the seed and an index number, and account view keys are derived from account spend keys. Subaddress spend keys are derived from account spend keys and an index number, and subaddress view keys are derived from subaddress spend keys

other than the threat of external parties matching addresses, is there any reason to make different addresses for moving coins, since stealth addresses are used on chain?

Created an issue to remove any wallets that don't fully support self-hosted light wallet server on the getmonero site: monero-project/monero-site #2162 in case anyone wants to give feedback 😊

hell yeah gramps

+100

yes works nice on pixel 6 pro

<cornfeedhobo> "other than the threat of..." <- Depositing to the same account and spending multiple inputs in the same tx lowers the likelyhood that they were randomly picked as decoys.

say you recieve 0.1xmr from kraken 7 times and localmonero 3 times, then spend 1 xmr.

youll spend a transaction of 10in/2out.

looking at the tx on chain, kraken can see with high likelyhood that 7 of the inputs they sent to the same address were spent together, along with 3 other, unknown inputs.

Example

always churn after withdrawing from exchanges

Even that will mix your 1 hop away to a known output

hmm

Thats why p2pool says to only use that wallet/address for p2pool. Multiple churns over time help, but the more data you add the more it stands out

oh you mean if you have only p2pool outputs and centralized exchange ones

If you are constsntly churning them into previously churned inputs from those sources

I see your point

I can live well with CEX bad ... but pee 2 pool bad is sad ..

all pools

yeah but we gotta mine somehow

Solo works for me (endor's gonna 💢)

People just to impatient. Just solo mine and you are going to get a payout one day ;)

I have many reasons why solo is better

I've done a lot of solo mining

There is nothing more enraging than seeing that you found a block while mining in a pool 😂

ofrnxmr[m]: when you say "same account" i assume this also applies to subaddresess then?

RavFX[m], I don't feel that way

at what difficulty :)

cornfeedhobo: Yeah

Subaccounts separate funds though

Can be treated as different identities

you guys think the network would be as big if there were only solo miners?

that would deff be the best scenario

just seems very improbable

yes

Bigger imo

fair enough I think it would shrink a lot

Pool mining is a ripoff and verrrryyyy often a scam

yeah it takes some trust

Example. Why do my block rewards go from 2.495>2.595>2.495>2.595?

Skimming

never really liked "the model" but then it seems hard to find a better one that does not compromise some privacy

ofrnxmr[m], not always

Or why do pools delay solo miners templates?

network diff changes

so does your "profitability"

Block reward for solo mining??

ofrnxmr[m], that was a bug and has been fixed afaik

ofrnxmr[m], yeah blockreward fixed but not fees

kico: Which?

about the block templates

nono diff issue

Youre talking about updating block templates from the daemon so tx are being mines efficiently

Im talking about the pool delaying sending that to solo miners

sending what?

Ive evn had blocks stolen

kico: The job

pool has no solo miners?

I'm confused

sorry

ofrnxmr[m]: Stolen as in, i hit the block, pool got paid, i did not

orphan blocks?

kico: Solo:address vs

address

some pools solo: has a 3-5 second delay gettibg new blocks

you need to bump the number of connections on your node to prevent that someone else finds a block before the one "you found" is propagated

kico: No, just like the pool removes solo: and decided to keep more of the reward

pool can't "steal blocks"

I dont think youre listening

Yes they can LOL

yeah I'm having a hard time

Either they pay ME because im mining solo

you are talking about a reorg?

Or thry DONT

you mean pools for solo mining?

why not just solo mine then?

No, im saying the pool was rewarded for my found block, i was not

I only solo xmr

To my own node

because you failed to propagate your block before they did

I mine shitcoins too though

kico: Smfh

the pool can't "steal" a block dude

sorry

ITS MY BLOCK ON CHAIN

ok

They just paid themself instead of me

Tldr, dont mine on fastpool.xyz

Pools are custodial. They decide what to do with the funds

some pools scam the users yes

not all tho

all i know if the best pools are centralized badly

yeah that's why p2pool was created

but like everything else in the universe it has tradeoffs

support, nano, hashvault are top tier

c3pool, Herominers, 2miners and kryptex cant seem to fix their block templates but are top pools

I would love that everyone would just solo but that never really happened organically and will be very hard to enforce on the protocol level

in a way is fair at least

Enforce? Why?

because if you don't there will always be pools

You cant stop me from running xmrig proxy

exactly

Because there will always be people who want to mine in pools, specially these pool hopping people with autodump script that only want to maximize profit

you wanted that everyone solo mines right?

kico: So enfirce what?

kico: No

I said solo is better

Lol

then I have no clue what we discussing

yeah I agree

0 fees more decentralized

but unless you enforce solo mining (somehow) there will always be pools

because most people are lazy to run a node

Im ofrnxmr and i like discussing, so we argue who agrees more dammit

and can't wait for months to hit a block

or years

its not as long as ppl think

Calculators dont work fir solo mining

ofrnxmr[m], I was just trying to recenter the "talk" since we seemed to be talking about different things :)

More like "average"

it's luck or not

you can be lucky hit a block with 1% effort

or one with 200%

A bunch of em

that can be years depending on your HR

Ive never hit a block over 100%

awesome

Either i mine fir 2 years and hope hr stays low enough to keep it at 2 yrs

I hit a blocks at over 300%.

Or i hit a block with a 1/720 chanch everyday

and also 20%

it tends to 100% over a long span of time

Tge 20% block 1 time is all it takes to justify solo

ofrnxmr[m]: That's a nice way to see it

unfortunatly this is what people don't get ... on the long run you win the same solo or pool mining

Look at any centralized pool, go look at who found the last blocks

(less the pool fee)

Theres a lot of small miners hitting blocks on pools and trading 0.6 reward for the bet that the difficukty wont increase for years

Ill take my 0.6 now, ty

Not "oh look, now its 8 years"

"And i found 3 blocks already and donated all of them"

Seriously, if pool miners paid attention to the shares they are finding, they stop donating to botnet miners

how much HR you got ofrnxmr[m] ?

solo mining in wownero has resulted in lower HR

not really

for the network

Its like 100mh across the 3 chainsplits

Only 25 25 and 50 or so

Which i thought was higher than pre

the solo miners are complaining about the possibility of going back to pool mining because it would mean less profit for them

Yeah, because nobody uses wow

3 split chains, nobidy noticed 💀

solo miners know that the HR will go up if pools are allowed

Shes a meme for bots to park some hr and a test attack network

so they are crying

Wow is only like 10% more profitabke than xmr

Its nit 200% like before

Hi all - brand new here (both to IRC and monero) - is it possible/safe to package up a monero miner that runs as a process on someone else's device? Any thoughts on how to get started?

oh wait, is this offtopic?

on moneroocean etc it wouldnt be algo switched to like it used to

Guest17: Someone ekses?

ofrnxmr[m] - yeah, like say I have a "free" game that you can pay for by leaving it open and it uses your device to mine on my behalf

Yeah, send me package, i run it? Or do you mean like "1 click setup for noobs?" Or you mean "no click background mining in secret"?

Guest17: Not on windows

Windows doesnt like monero mining related libs and will likely nuke your game

ofrnxmr[m] - game asks permission (in game preferably), and then you leave it open while it mines

Unless you tell the players they need to add antivirus exceptions for monero mining utiks

look into Townforge

Guest17, that's an interesting model

As a game with POW

ofrnxmr[m] - brilliant. Maybe the firewall exceptions could be a one-click accept

I think townforge was trying to be onchain game even

Townforge us a merge mined monero fork and video game

kico - nice. Yeah, imagine your character has to "go to the mines" and earns "gems" or something that allow you to proceed to new areas (like in an RPG)

Guest17, sounds fun :)

guest, really, townforge

Maybe can collab

Guest17, but ofrnxmr[m] is right you might encounter some problems related to the mining stuff windows hates it and some users could be freaked out

kico - but they're, you know, mining crypto

but if they know what they are going for ... then you might be able to work UI around it

kico - good to know. Townforge is open sourced - excellent.

just have a "windows will try to block this awesome game just say no!"

thingy in there xD

👍

is townforge still being actively developed?

iMember it stalled a bit at some point

kico - last commit was ~3 weeks ago

sweet :)

I'm going full in on Monero and I want to get more involved. How do I create an account here?

on IRC?

So I'm not just "Guest"

/nickserv help

@kic

you oughta /nick yourhandle first

kico thx

yw!

and hey ping me for beta testing pls :)

Ok - and to register a nickname?

nvrmd - I guess these are well-known commands I can just look up. Sorry@

*!

PanTheMan, /nickserv help

you have what you need there

/nickserv help register

kico - thanks for the help. I'll definitely ping you for beta testing. The game might (probably) be NSFW for sexual content (nothing illegal). You cool with that?

Guess I should probably keep this about Monero =L

PanTheMan, yeah I'm ok with that :D

np man

anytime

<PanTheMan> "Guess I should probably keep..." <- Monero Community Dev and Monero Offtopic are fine