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modul8[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "#monero-offtopic..." <- Oh man..you going to make me cwtch.im to another channel and disturb my reading flo?
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modul8[m]
<sgp[m]> "what do I need to do there" <- Hey sgp, Why does monero.social matrix send emails with the missed conversations by default when joining?
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escapethe3ra[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
Hiring?
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ofrnxmr[m]
(not me)
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ofrnxmr[m]
But someone to keep it going in your stead?
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r4v3r23[m]
<escapethe3ra[m]> "
monero.observer/monero-..." <- thx for your service
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plowsof11
escapethe3ra[m]: thank you sir and get well soon 🫡
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Rdo?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Or al
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Oh sick leave
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Side-trips[m]
Damn, 650 days straight of doing the lord's work. Many thanks on setting the bar so high. You are what I aspire to become. I pray for nothing but peace on your time away
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nsaunders
how do I find out where the GUI wallet is storing the blockchain data? I'm on Ubuntu 23.04 but don't see any hidden files.
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nsaunders
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plowsof11
nsaunders you set a custom path for the blockchain , .bitmonero is just the default, data.mdb is the blockchain
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nsaunders
I went and selected to not set a custom path because it was stalled. Now it's about half way completed, but I see no .bitmonero file or directory, and data.mdb at that specified path hasn't increased in size.
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ofrnxmr[m]
It only increases every x blocks
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ofrnxmr[m]
Preallocates some size iirc
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ofrnxmr[m]
And perhaps gui moves the blockchain when you change it? Not sure
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plowsof11
who told you to set a custom path because it was stalled
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plowsof11
are you running the latest versions v0.18.2.2
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plowsof11
i dont think the gui moves it so it will just pick up from scratch
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plowsof11
re-write your stack exchange question because it says "I went to the advanced section for the GUI and set the path for the node as:"
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nsaunders
will do
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nsaunders
done
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plowsof11
go to monero gui -> settings -> log
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plowsof11
you can send commands ,, "status" for example, and you can even see the data-dir from the beginning
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nsaunders
aha, thx
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nsaunders
I really like these commands. it confirms that the blockchain is pruned. Very nice to see.
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plowsof11
prune_blockchain confirm yes? (btw i cant see date-dir here sorry)
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nsaunders
Height: 1285392/2901923 (44.3%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 83.90 MH/s, v4, 12(out)+19(in) connections, uptime 0d 5h 9m 52s but I'm not seeing where the data-dir is
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ofrnxmr[m]
At the top of log
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nsaunders
check_blockchain_pruning returns Blockchain is pruned excellent
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nsaunders
I'm using head to look at the top of the log file, but nothing jumps out. What would I grep for?
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plowsof11
the guis log doesnt show it hm
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plowsof11
#monero-gui:monero.social im just going to lay motionless for about 8 hours though
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nsaunders
how long should a wallet take to sync? ballpark.
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ofrnxmr[m]
From what block..
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nsaunders
│Height: 1285392/2901923 (44.3%)
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ofrnxmr[m]
Thats what, gui?
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nsaunders
yes
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ofrnxmr[m]
node or wallet. Lol
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nsaunders
wallet. pruned node to my understanding.
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ofrnxmr[m]
No
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ofrnxmr[m]
A node is not a wallet
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ofrnxmr[m]
A node is a node
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ofrnxmr[m]
a wallet is a wallet
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ofrnxmr[m]
If youre using gui, there shoukd be 2 sync bars
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ofrnxmr[m]
One for node, one for wallet
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nsaunders
yes. two bars.
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nsaunders
the top one is zero percent complete. It just reads "waiting for daemon to sync"
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nsaunders
the bottom bar reads "daemon blocks remaining" 1584409
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ofrnxmr[m]
The wallet is not syncinh
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ofrnxmr[m]
The daemon is
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ofrnxmr[m]
Is the number changing
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nsaunders
Very slowly. I'm hoping to speed it up.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Hdd or ssd
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nsaunders
1584410 now. On a SSD.
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ofrnxmr[m]
nsaunders: Thats backwards.
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ofrnxmr[m]
The number is supposed to go down
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ofrnxmr[m]
in gui log
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nsaunders
yeh...don't know what to say. One sec.
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ofrnxmr[m]
What us status
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nsaunders
Height: 1317596/2902008 (45.4%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 72.81 MH/s, v5, 12(out)+18(in) connections, uptime 0d 7h 57m 45s
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ofrnxmr[m]
Should.. restart pc, open gui
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nsaunders
reboot the whole computer!? Okay, but why?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Wait
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ofrnxmr[m]
<nsaunders> "│Height: 1285392/2901923 (44.3%)..." <- Did u lie here
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ofrnxmr[m]
Is this old
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nsaunders
that's old. Now it's 45.4 as of a few seconds ago.
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ofrnxmr[m]
<nsaunders> "the bottom bar reads "daemon..." <- Whats this now
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nsaunders
1584414 on the GUI. My interpretation is that new blocks are coming in quicker than I'm processing them.
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ofrnxmr[m]
No
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ofrnxmr[m]
Open system monitor
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ofrnxmr[m]
Search for monero
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nsaunders
I'm on Linux. do you mean to run ps?
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ofrnxmr[m]
How many monerod are running
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nsaunders
ahhhh. might be a few.
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ofrnxmr[m]
nsaunders: Youre on ubuntu desktop 2304?
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nsaunders
11001 ? 01:46:19 monerod 49579 pts/1 00:07:10 monero-wallet-g yes, on Ubuntu 23.04 just installed yesterday. SSD.
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nsaunders
I ran ps -ae | grep monero for the above results. Is the daemon not running correctly?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Looks good
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ofrnxmr[m]
Cpu?
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nsaunders
one sec
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ofrnxmr[m]
Gui looks confused though
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nsaunders
96 percent idle CPU. the top processes are monero and monero GUI per "top" command.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Id just restart and relauch gui
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ofrnxmr[m]
And then dont play with anythint
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nsaunders
thanks.
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ofrnxmr[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Restart computer
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nsaunders
bye
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ofrnxmr[m]
* Restart computer*
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nsaunders
wallet says "starting local node 10 9 8.."
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nsaunders
pastebin.com/rQcKDBzV head of log from the GUI
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nsaunders
Height: 1317596/2902012 (45.4%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 72.81 MH/s, v5, 12(out)+0(in) connections, uptime 0d 0h 1m 54s
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hughgrant[m]
does anyone use a decentralized exchange to acquire monero, any recommendations?
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nsaunders
some log queries
pastebin.com/DVZegrzZ but, yes, the GUI does seem confused in some regard. Stalled, with slow to no progress.
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nsaunders
Height means how far along has been scanned? Because that number changes so slowly from the "status" command that it may never complete.
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hughgrant[m]
height is the blocknumber
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hughgrant[m]
so roughly yes it shows the amount of blocks it has downloaded and processed
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nsaunders
I'm considering removing the GUI entirely. Would that remove the node and blockchain?
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hughgrant[m]
its quite normal for the initial download to take a long time, at least for bitcoin
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MajesticBank
initial sync takes up to 3 days
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hughgrant[m]
its restricted somewhat by the cpu/block algorithm and whether there are any fast peers who wont mind sending so much data to you
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MajesticBank
blocks are downloaded quick but processing them is a bit slower
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MajesticBank
on ssd should be pretty fast and faster over time
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MajesticBank
once you sync you are lit
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hughgrant[m]
how large is the current monero blockchain
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nsaunders
Height: 1318456/2902020 (45.4%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 73.08 MH/s, v5, 12(out)+0(in) connections, uptime 0d 0h 2m 48s
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MajesticBank
your status is normal
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nsaunders
okay. Thanks.
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MajesticBank
just need to wait it out
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nsaunders
Good and bad news :) More good. Now I know what action to take: waiting ;)
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MajesticBank
I think blockchain size somewhere below 160 GB
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hughgrant[m]
apparently its around 160GB in size the blockchain, thats a big download
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MajesticBank
yeah 157 GB
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hughgrant[m]
bitcoin is around 450GB
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MajesticBank
monero blockchain holds more data due to privacy nature
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hughgrant[m]
transaction size of monero is likely significantly larger on average i guess, but big size means its being used at least
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MajesticBank
however amounts of money saved on monero fees
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hughgrant[m]
i didnt realize so few centralized exchanges accept monero any more, government pressure on them i guess
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MajesticBank
monero is better tech then bitcoin atm, storage prices are going down every year
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hughgrant[m]
are you a dev?
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MajesticBank
I just love monero
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hughgrant[m]
i wonder why more cryptos dont support a pruning/state model, verified by some dev signature, where all the useless junk is thrown out making the initial download smaller and current transaction database more efficient
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hughgrant[m]
i havent wrapped my head around cryptonote yet to know if that is possible with monero
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MajesticBank
yes, you can prune your node with monero
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hughgrant[m]
well pruned nodes arent "Full nodes" in monero it seems, there is a way to prune and be a full node
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hughgrant[m]
but it depends on the blockchain tech itself, might not be possible with monero and requires a "state" to be signed by someone
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MajesticBank
i would really like to learn how prune node can be same as full node
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MajesticBank
why would anyone run full node then ? regardless of crypto
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MajesticBank
full node = verify from genesis block
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hughgrant[m]
well, ill consider it in terms of bitcoin rather than monero
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hughgrant[m]
once someone has sent a transaction, the source transactions are no longer needed for the node to operate
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hughgrant[m]
as they have been "spent", yet all the spent transactions are sent to nodes initially downloading
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hughgrant[m]
so instead you save a "state" of the live transactions, send that to clients
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hughgrant[m]
makes the initial download much smaller and faster to process
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jeffro256[m]
That isn't a "full node", another node cannot bootstrap from that node's data and verify the chain trustlessly
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hughgrant[m]
and so that it is verified you simply get the devs to sign a hash of that initial download, or the hash of the history of the chain
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hughgrant[m]
well some people dislike the idea of someone centralized authorizing the "state" of these blockchains
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hughgrant[m]
but these same people then download clients from these same centralized places so to me it isnt that big a deal
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hughgrant[m]
if the dev signed some weird chain as the valid one, everyone would notice and complain. The bitcoin code records the "valid" chains once they have enough height on them
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hughgrant[m]
so that reversing the blockchain cannot exceed the point in those particular hard coded points
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MajesticBank
this is serious, 10 years running crypto project, things like that are not the way we do things around
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jeffro256[m]
Well we do checkpointing, which is similar in that it is an optimization at the cost of being "centralized" in that is has to be hardcoded by a dev, but it's optional and doesn't trigger your node to prune data. It also isn't a live system, which it sounds like the thing you're referencing is
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hughgrant[m]
MajesticBank well I think in practice you would have it so its configurable, the node can still keep all spent transactions if it wanted
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hughgrant[m]
and then given the "checkpoint" and a trusted sig, it could create the optimized initial download for any client too
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hughgrant[m]
just personally i dont think there is much value in holding spent transactions "forever", maybe a year or two, but in the end who does it help? The analysis teams, but of course they could run their own nodes and keep every transaction anyhow
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jeffro256[m]
> just personally i dont think there is much value in holding spent transactions "forever",
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jeffro256[m]
Monero has good privacy guarantees which entail that transaction (with rare exceptions) cannot be determined to have been spent
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jeffro256[m]
In other words, it's basically impossible to keep a running UTXO set in Monero
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jeffro256[m]
In its current form
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hughgrant[m]
yeah, obviously there is no privacy added by pruning spent transactions, as bad actors are already recording every transaction anyhow
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hughgrant[m]
it just helps keep the network healthy i think
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MajesticBank
There are plenty of alternatives as with remote node over tor and monero-lws open-source version is in progress, so you don't need to sync if you don't have 157 GB of space
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hughgrant[m]
nah its not about that aspect, the "full verification nodes" are 100% necessary to a healthy network , its more about making their lives easier
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hughgrant[m]
any effort spent bringing "other nodes" from 0 to current doesn't guarantee that the node will stick around long, its also much harder to send each node 480GB vs 48GB (bitcoin off my hand comparison)
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hughgrant[m]
its obvious a rather simple attack vector for even untrained actors to pull off using cloud networking services
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jeffro256[m]
Even if a node used this sped up technique of pruning unused information which signed by a dev this still wouldn't be a "full verification node" because other nodes which don't use this shortcut can't bootstrap from this node
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jeffro256[m]
Kinda by definition, if you drop information, your peers can't use that information to verify from the beginning
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hughgrant[m]
well i think few people care that much about having every transaction ever recorded, so it should be more upto those people that want it to maintain the full transaction history. The main node just has the last year/2/whatever, and people who want to keep the full history (or even the project itself) just offer the downloads for it
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hughgrant[m]
that way you can bootstrap with full tx history, for the few who want it
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hughgrant[m]
again im not saying this is what monero should do, just my opinion in general, im not sure if its possible within monero
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hughgrant[m]
by "possible" i mean if its worth it to do so, in bitcoin there would be a drastic reduction
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ceetee[m]
<hughgrant[m]> "i wonder why more cryptos dont..." <- Pruning is possible in Monero, it keeps all essential data + 1/8 of the optional data.
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ceetee[m]
You can't fully prune old and spend transactions because they are used as inputs for the ring signatures
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ceetee[m]
Total data stored in a pruned node is about 1/3 of a full one
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DanIsnotthemanBr
anonymity say wut
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modul8[m]
<hughgrant[m]> "does anyone use a decentralized..." <- Haveno is not live yet...but give it a test. It is a fork of bisq...
github.com/haveno-dex/haveno you can get stagenet monero from the rino community page
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modul8[m]
Or well..you cab try bisq too i suppose..there is basicswap but you need to download a few chains and i havent had a chance to check it out yet
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gammapleb[m]
Can anyone direct me to a rundown on Seraphis upgrade? In particular the seed words being reduced to 16? Ta
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kayabanerve[m]
gammapleb: I believe you're referring to Polyseed
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kayabanerve[m]
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gammapleb[m]
kayabanerve[m]: That's perfect, many thanks. So as I read it, Monero will shift to using BIP39 wordlist, same as btc?
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gammapleb[m]
It mentions a "few minor changes". Is there a way to see what changes or is this way too early?
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kayabanerve[m]
Not the same. Minor changes means changes.
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kayabanerve[m]
You can run a diff on the files.
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nsaunders
only about 3GB downloaded overnight
pastebin.com/eFaz765Q this is just how it goes with initial scanning?
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plowsof11
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plowsof11
simply downloading is not all thats happening, cyrptomagic to verify the data which is expensive is happening too (spinning disk hard drive will be painfully slow)
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nsaunders
at say three percent per day this will take a month.
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nsaunders
plowsof11: okay..
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Rucknium[m]
nsaunders: Usually, no. It's much faster. If you are using a HDD or external drive instead of a SSD that could cause it. Or your internet service provider is throttling your bandwidth.
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plowsof11
its not consistent either, 1 month IF the blocks remain the same size as they did when the blockchain was 40% of its size today.. so it will definitely be longer than 1 month
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nsaunders
Received 12998003500 bytes (12.11 GB) in 5885698 packets in 7.0 hours, average 503.03 kB/s = 6.14% of the limit of 8.00 MB/s print_net_stats result
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nsaunders
average download is 500 kB/s over the last seven hours?
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Rucknium[m]
nsaunders: If you are using a HDD, your bottleneck is random read speeds on storage, not bandwidth. It looks like you have plenty of connections to peers.
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nsaunders
Rucknium[m]: thanks. okay...
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nsaunders
I'm using a SSD. Might it be worth upgrading with my ISP to get this done?
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plowsof11
connected via usb? unless you are using some anonymity network to sync the above comment from rucknium stands, its your hardware setup
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plowsof11
i would just use a remote node (featherwallet.org makes this process a breeze and has tor built in)
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nsaunders
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ofrnxmr[m]
Pastebin output of sync_info
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ofrnxmr[m]
<plowsof11> "connected via usb? unless you..." <- Anon sync fast as any
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ofrnxmr[m]
Under 12hrs
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plowsof11
a termux android node up and running in under 12 hours?
github.com/nahuhh/android-termux-monero-node
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ofrnxmr[m]
more like 30 😝
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ofrnxmr[m]
But not due to download speeds
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nsaunders
I'll try featherwallet
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nsaunders
and look into termux.
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ofrnxmr[m]
termux is for android
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nsaunders
oh, that might be best. Sounds dead easy. I'll try that too. Termux.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Perfect
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ofrnxmr[m]
Dm me if you need anything
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nsaunders
ofrnxmr[m]: thanks. too sleepy to do anything at the moment, was just checking the overnight. I hope to get featherwallet going tonight.
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ofrnxmr[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
this is the version you want to use
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nsaunders
k
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ofrnxmr[m]
the Instructions*
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ofrnxmr[m]
Feather is easy to use. Will get you up and running in minutes
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nsaunders
I'm using this feather wallet. How can I see how far it has synced? Is it pruning by default for a recovered wallet?
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k4r4b3y[m]1
nsaunders: It should show the blocks remaining on the bottom of the window
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nsaunders
628742 blocks remaining (D: 2538.6 MB)
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k4r4b3y[m]1
You can come ask more on #feather:monero.social
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nsaunders
is that IRC? not libera network?
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nsaunders
I'll find it. thx
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Oh sorry I thought you were on matrix
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k4r4b3y[m]1
It is a matrix room, I do not know if it is bridged to irc.
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rottenwheel
nsaunders I think it's #feather on OFTC. Note it's not on libera, it's on OFTC.
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ofrnxmr[m]
<nsaunders> "I'm using this feather wallet..." <- again again. A wallet is not a node
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ofrnxmr[m]
Theres no such thing as a pruned wallet
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ofrnxmr[m]
<nsaunders> "628742 blocks remaining (D: 2538..." <- This is how much morr your wallet has to sync.
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ofrnxmr[m]
please note: Your `RESTORE HEIGHT` is any block heigh lt or date _before_ the first transaction in your wallet
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ofrnxmr[m]
Dont restore from too much further back than necessary
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ofrnxmr[m]
sgp:
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ofrnxmr[m]
Before waweb times out again can you banban
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ofrnxmr[m]
Been spaming every room for days or longer now
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ofrnxmr[m]
(their irc client has been spamming reconnects)
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Restore to BC
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lza_menace
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lza_menace
ofrnxmr[m] you see that in their source host?
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plowsof11
i cant see a user called @waweb 🤔
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Lol
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DanIsnotthemanBr
^
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waweb
oh sorry i had no idea
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waweb
lemme fix it
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DanIsnotthemanBr
In and out like a yoyo
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plowsof11
if it cant be fixed then i kindly ask waweb to stay joined to all rooms long enough so that banhammer can kick/ban you without complaining that you dont exist in each room 🙏