<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Latest in my ongoing KYC troubles:

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> ```

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Update personal information through identity verification (KYC) for better security and to prevent potential risks.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> The Company kindly requests all foreign customers to complete the steps listed below.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> -Schedule an appointment with the company to verify identity. Please contact the company to prepare documents and schedule a meeting (Face to Face)

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> -Prepare original documents and certified copies in accordance with the purpose of immigration.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> -Meeting with the KYC staff at the time and location as confirmed by the company accompanied by the required documents.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> ```

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/KStUnLXESQJeaeONfSgByMOh

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Just become Swiss, El Salvador-ian, New Hampshire-ian, or Wyoming-ian.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Zoom meeting

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Nope. Meeting in person at their corp. headquarters.

just ignore kyc. use non-kyc

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Kyc…. Not me

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Dude... I live out in the real world.

in the real world, people can trade anything they want in secret

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Oh really.. How?

by... trading

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Use pigeons

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I saw it on john wick

alice gives bob some cash. bob gives alice some monero. wow such hard

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Dan 🤐 alderman (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate ):

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Pigeoner, the best no KYC fiat to crypto trading platform.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> This dude got all the answers, it seems. Maybe you put me in contact with Bob?

i see 225 potential bobs in this irc channel

also you are on matrix already, so try #bisq.btc:bitcoin.kyoto for bitcoin which you can then trade for monero without kyc very easily

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Okay. Bob #1 to #225: Who's game?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/LNhVTKZmSSezSfHkEjLYZxHn

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Fuck bitcoin. Ain't touching that shit 🤮

whether you like it or not its more liquid

and the btc/xmr market is more liquid too

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Bob ct ring signature

a free world needs non-fungible tokens too. bitcoin seems to be happy taking up that space

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> non-fungible-tokens (NFT's)

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Monero really should bring them back tbh.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> It was funny to see the drama they caused.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I think there definitely should be a higher fee “side chain” of Monero, so the utility of more extra tx Id could be utilized.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I'm currently the highest bid on localmonero.co/sell-monero-using-national-bank-with-thb-in-thailand

why dont you just buy from one of the other people?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> The one that want a copy of my passport?

localmonero.co/user/strawberries - doesnt say nothin about passport

what are you trying to do, move millions?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I'm trying to buy 3 XMR 😈

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/iATNCcTIKrUpVHNqTZAYiONy

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Those are the choices.

ill sell you 3xmr for bitcoin

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I don't do bitchcoin.

like, you can literally get this done within the hour using bisq if youd stop being stubborn about having bitcoin for that temporary window

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> That Orbixtrade thingy was my only FIAT on-ramp.

download and install bisq. get some starting btc to fuel your account from that matrix room. buy bitcoin with fiat on bisq, then buy xmr with that bitcoin

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> They have maybe one XMR trade a week.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Dude. What part of "I don't touch bitcoin" don't you get?

the part where you keep whining about not being able to get xmr when this will get you xmr

your moral aversion to bitcoin is retarded

do you want to get into xmr or not

why does it matter that bitcoin is used in the onramp

bisq uses bitcoin because it can be provably locked in multisig which means you dont need 3rd party escrowers

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I don't need to "get into XMR". I would like to top up a little, while it's cheap, while having some fun doing it.

not for the fun of it

learning how to use bisq is fun. if you do it right you can trade for profit

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Hmm, what’s a good digital international medium of trade that can be obtained with fiat?

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I don’t know of anyone international gift cards unless they exist, who knows 🤔.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> My best thought is Amazon, or Steam cards probably are the closest things but it’s hard to say if they are accessible/work internationally.

gift card trading super sus. too easy to screw people

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Yeah, that’s true.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> On ramping/off ramping KYC-free is easier said than done.

<l​una24:matrix.org> cs skins are a good way

im tellin ya, bisq

<l​una24:matrix.org> Bisq is a good option

<l​una24:matrix.org> only issue with Bisq is its a btc swap, which is soooo ungodly slow

yeah well haveno seems to be vaporware

<l​una24:matrix.org> havent heard of that one in a hot minute

<l​una24:matrix.org> I remember when they were first building it, def been a while

<a​jodo50:matrix.org> "I'll help anyone interested on how to earn 100k in just 24hours from the crypto market. But you will have to pay me my commission! when you receive your profit! if interested click on the group link and send me a direct message

<a​jodo50:matrix.org> by asking me HOW

<a​jodo50:matrix.org> t.me/EDWARDJAMES_0

why not just tell us tho

Cuz they dont have any xmr

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> Is there somehow I can use MSR without disabling virtualization?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> What platform?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> What OS?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> If you just use VMs, You want to ideally set the MSR from the host operating system.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> If you use Windows and you mean that you use the virtualised protection for apps (everything run in a glorified VM), then no, you can't patch the MSR on Windows while that is ON, it won't let you. If it is your case, you can use a bootloader to load windows (like grub), but patch the cpu.c somewhere in the grub source so it patch the MSR from grub directly, before loading the oper<clipped message>

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> ating system. Then it will be patched.

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> why binance delisted xmr

coz the feds are on them

because xmr is for criminals. www.banmonero.com

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> Ooh

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> I need virtualization on for WSL2

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> I'm pretty sure I have core isolation off

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> Fuck

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> I did not have it off

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Ok, yeah, it's not virtualisation, it's "Core Isolation" that prevent you from setting MSR

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Also, MSR can't be set from a VM normally (there way around that on linux by patching XEN or KVM to allow it)

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Ok, yeah, it's not virtualization, it's "Core Isolation" that prevent you from setting MSR

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Also, MSR can't be set from a VM normally (there way around that on linux by patching XEN or KVM to allow it)

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> oookay time to reboot

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> Dont understand government , wont the criminals use fiat to do illegal activity.

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> Then they should ban fiat too

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Flat is used many order of magnitude more than crypto for criminal activities...

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> The admins just don't want normies to evac to crypto so they make it more painful to use for them

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> convert to xmr would be the painful one from other crypto.

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> you need a intermediate token/coin

they are making cash illegal

call your lawmakers and tell them to support this

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> evading tax . why the government need others hard earned money.

snex: Fortunaly I live in a free country so far, Card is not even accepted at 1/3 of the place, everyone just use cash

"free country" - oxymoron

"First world" is where they want more control and are trying to obsolete the cash

When "third world" country try to do that, it blew up in there face (like nigera)

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> me: jobless

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> government: .

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> me: on Fx / crypto

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> government: pay 80% tax

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> In a lot of "first world" countries, they just slowly lower the amount of cash people can get and most of them force you to have a bank account to do anything and so you are trained to use plastic everywhere.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> So they can get away with getting rid of cash after a few years of slow increase of limitations so normies don't panic

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> god... it was core isolation

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> huge pages and msr work now!

they wont get rid of it until theres a false flag

snex: Probably not indeed. But it will be relatively easy for them to do so considering all normies are trained to use there cards for everything

and they dont even have to make the false flag happen themselves. sooner or later itll happen on its own. they just need to let it

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> government only option to steal money from poor and middle class and help richy rich.

dont feel bad for the poor and middle class. they voted for htis

they voted for all the free gibs and government power

they voted for the "punish the rich so they can pay for it all"

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> they brainwash there target (people like me) and they conduct research in there favor and ask media / influences / scholars all in there favor.

problem is more that "people voted for it". People only vote for the main admins. Then these admins can do what they want at the end, passing laws people never wanted or voted. And in many place, the choice of admins is very... meh... Like you vote for the less trash but still endup with trash

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> Actually communist acting as democracy.

sorry but the admins promised all this shit

and people voted for them anyway

any time somebody ran who promised to remove it all (ron paul) they laughed at him

and ultimately none of their dictates mean shit unless a critical mass of people consent

Ah, you mean in the US, yeah. Not like Canada, like the current admin ignore his promesses and made everything worst (also a confirmed WEF slave)

trudeau promised all this shit too

youre just kidding yourself

hes fidel castro's son ffs

howd you fall for that one

Trudeau promised more affordable food, more affordable housing, 8 year ago. Housing price doubled and food increased a LOT since he got elected. His gouvernement is extremely corrupt

he promised to do those things by seizing more power, making more taxes, etc etc

Yeah, I know about the fidel thing lol

and if anyone thinks a politician can lower prices then wtf are they smoking

You can stabilize housing price by turning off the immigration. Canada have just massive immigration problem, they just take all the lower priced stuff. Trudeau promised more housing construction to compensate for the immigration but of course that did not append as planned.

But anyway, I left that Canada scam a long time ago, so I can watch it collapse from a safe distance

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> any centralized always corrupt so almost all government are corrupt.

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> imo

government cant make prices better by stopping immigration

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, there all corrupt.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> And once they start taxing, they get addicted to it.

anti-immigration people can never explain why their magical beliefs only seem to apply to "country" borders and not states, cities, neighborhoods, etc

Basic offer and demand. Canada got like 1M immigrant in 2022-2023, look at the Canada total population.

so yeah, immigration make is so there is way more demand for housing unit

so price moon

They had barely enough housing units when I left (but still some vacancies...). Once they opened the immigration valve wide open it just scammed all the locals

I don't mind immigration personally. But there should be a limit so immigration don't scam your locals.

immigrants dont just show up with sacks of money to bid on houses. they also earn incomes by producing goods and services

your analysis makes no sense

and you totally sidestepped why exactly these effects dont take place on other scales

immigrants dont just show up with sacks of money, you are right, they snatch all the cheap flat left over. Why do you mean by other scale, housing is just one thing that was already limited. On the other side supermarkets will often waste a ton of food when it expire so more immigrant would not affect that much as there is enough (at the end, less waste)

Uncontrolled immigration is awful. Immigration with background checks is good when you, as a country, don't have the required expertise inside your borders.

bertvvvs: exactly

uh huh. and yet you allow uncontrolled immigration WITHIN a country and never complain about it

weird

why is uncontrolled immigration between california and florida ok

Canadians complain about immigration. Canada admins don't care

what about uncontrolled immigration between orlando and jacksonville? why is that ok?

Like mentionned earlier, you vote for the admins, then the admin can just scam you anyway.

or jacksonville and its suburbs?

why is uncontrolled immigration between maple st and oak st ok?

immigration as people moving from jacksonville to jacksonville, will take a new flat but will leave his older flat vacant to be available for someone else

obviously if there is ton of local immigration random city from US -> jacksonville, it will also cause issue

just like if somebody moves from mexico to US, theres now an open flat in mexico

at lease for the housing demand

so whats the problem

snex, yep, so you would force an american to leave usa to go fill it?

no, that makes no sense

when you look for a flat in jacksonville, you look at the many available choice, you can take that one or that one...

just like you dont force people to replace californians who leave

why does it matter that there are now fewer people in california and more in florida? it doesnt

if the flat is only available in mexico, how that would help you in jacksonville?

why do i deserve help in jacksonville?

I did not specifically look at housing availability in florida, maybe they got enough? What I said is that Canada immigration % was way bigger than new housing and that housing was already limited in 2010

that is what driven the price... there

housing is not capped

just build more houses

Yes it is, you have to build more

whats the problem

and?

did we forget how to do that?

the problem is that THEY DID NOT.. at least not in sufficient quantity

and the admins promished to build more but did not

so then your problem isnt immigration, its that you are too lazy to build houses

they arent the ones that build houses

construction workers do

IF I did own commi blocks in Canada in 2010, why would I have built more, can rack way more cash by charging double for the unit I already own.

you are contradicting yourself

first you say there are immigrants coming which drives up the price which would make building new houses extremely profitable

now youre saying its somehow profitable to NOT build them

it cant be both

the people who own the current houses arent the construction workers who would build new ones

non, I said that there is not enough housing unit lol. And that they need more. The state promished to help on that sector but that did not append. And the people owning the stuff where happy to ask more money and just not building more

again. the state doesnt build houses. construction workers do

but putting a cap on immigration (or actual requirement) then you would never have that problem

State can pay construction workers yes, using tax they already have

except youd then complain that all the goods and services that those immigrants would be making are too expensive

uh, no. the immigrants pay the construction workers

i.e. the people who want to live in the new houses

i'm talking about housing

not good and services

right. so you put a cap on housing and housing prices ease. but other prices rise. then you complain about those and you demand the government do something

so the government turns immigration back on

prices ease but housing goes up, and you complain again

see the problem isnt the government. its YOU

YOU think the government is responsible for any of this shit

food price rise is due to the carbon taxe for a big part, then also the inflation

YOU keep demanding that they do something, when the reality is they cant do anything

farmers use diesel

trucks use diesel

warehouse use diesel

right, because they need to collect taxes to do all the stupid shit you want from them

let pump the take to 23% in April!

policing the border costs money

taxe*

food price got up because of inflation and massive carbon taxe, house price got up because of immigration and inflation.

no, they got up because of YOU

not at all, I left that scam... before troudeau got elected

YOU keep refusing to acknowledge the real causes

YOU cant accept that government cant help with any of this

Well, the if I put immigrant in a white van and drive them down to US, I would get arrested, how I can fix the issue?

get rid of government

snex: your point is people should be more, how do I put it, self-sufficient? Expect less of governments, of other people. Is that it?

Yeah, that's would be the outcome. Can't do that alone, too much normies that comply with it

government, by definition, is nothing but a mafia that the people believe is legitimate

would you ever believe that adding a mafia to a situation will help? no. so neither will adding a government

Yeah, I know, kind of said that too. They promise thing to win vote then scam the hell out of the people

but you fall for it too. you think if theyd implement YOUR policies, such as "stop immigration" hten it would help

Well, they do control immigration right now, they control the valve that allow the flow to come in... or no.

so as they control it now, they could close it... and that would fix the problem

no, it wouldnt

once again

they cannot fix anything

you cannot ever fix any problem by adding a mafia

getting rid of the gouv would work too, but there is not enough people to do that, most of them are slave to the system

they most don't give a fsck

of course they can't fix anything. But you can fix immigration problem by closing or capping immigration.

all you need to do is get people to realize theyre just a mafia

there is no "immigration problem"

people moving freely is not a problem

Yeah, but they get money for them.. There even some talk about bring the universal income max slavery scam up there

so people will be more addicated to the state than ever

How much % of the population is needed to work together to be able to get rig of the state? 5%?

There people also need weapons and good logistic (the state have police and army).

you dont need violence at all

just... ignore them

I believe states will form again in a matter of centuries (at most). It's a human nature thing. The best we can do is ignore them.

For that to work, you would need probably 20% or something. That would be indeed ideal. If too much people don't comply, they can't do a thing about it anymore

you dont need 20%

You think 5 would work? can they just increase the taxe on the other 95%?

think about it this way. how many people in your personal circle ignore the government? most likely 0 right?

and you are somebody who knows about monero and stuff, so youre in a better position than most

Not a lot, near 0 yeah lol

and you probably have roughly 100 to 200 people in that circle

what if just ONE of those people started?

if every person had "that guy" in their circle who they knew just wasnt having it, theyd realize that its possible

Yeah, true.

were you in canada during covid? how many people did you see ignoring masks?

again probably 0

i live in las vegas. after about 1 month nobody was wearing them in most places. i refused from day 1

Canada 0..... In my current location, "what's covid? lets party!"

Canada was totally scarry to look at during covid

People just complied, they needed the vax to work....

so most of them got it

my work told me i "needed" it. told them fuck you. still working same place

Troudeau apparently did own stock from the company that invented the microcapside used for storing each RNA so if true, personally profited for each of his citizen injection

The Internet (me "work") did not ask me anything. As for my location, I am not aware of any wagies being forced to vax for work.

Some npc did wear mask here but really not a lot. Some places had warning like "mask required" but I ignored theses and they did say nothing

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> #monero-offtopic 👍️

<s​omerandomguy> hey guys

<s​omerandomguy> how fucked are we

<s​omerandomguy> monero is down like 30%

<s​omerandomguy> if yall can hear me and this bridge aint one way

<s​omerandomguy> is monero going to get vaporized or?

somerandomguy: dont worry bridge is working

<s​omerandomguy> oh

<s​omerandomguy> aight

<s​omerandomguy> but is monero fucked?

idk i joined yesterday xD

yes. call your lawmakers and tell them to banmonero.com

nope. getting rid of binance makes monero stronger

lmao

<s​omerandomguy> is binance's delisting a sign of times to come?

<s​omerandomguy> oh

<s​omerandomguy> wait so that doesnt mean other exchanges might delist it?

<B​obbedBort {𝕭𝕽𝕲}> I was hoping that Binance would remove XMR for years now

<s​omerandomguy> wait why

<B​obbedBort {𝕭𝕽𝕲}> Binance is simply shady, they refuse to show us their supposed reserves

XMR being delisted from CEX just proves XMR is the way to go.

its impossible to show people your monero reserves

<B​obbedBort {𝕭𝕽𝕲}> the classic "deposits are open, but withdrawals are closed"

view key can only calculate incoming tx. isnt aware of outgoing

<B​obbedBort {𝕭𝕽𝕲}> there are reserve proofs tho

<s​omerandomguy> it isnt that bad tho

<s​omerandomguy> if push comes to shove, they just sell their monero elsewhere

snex: someone needs to buy that domain lol

<s​omerandomguy> if binance works how i think it dooes

<s​omerandomguy> if push comes to shove, they just sell their monero elsewhere like on localmonero

did you click the link?

yes.

wait

ok make me an offer

binance has been selling non-existent xmr for years. everyone who bought xmr on binance recently is trapped, will be unable to withdraw because the coins they bought don't exist

no typo

o wow it works my bad

based website

<s​omerandomguy> oh SHIT

<s​omerandomguy> thats whats happening

they caused price tank so covering wont hurt them as much

<s​omerandomguy> ...wait then why were they spending monero they don't have in the first place?

fractional reserve banking

No, they caused price tank so they could buy back from other exchanges at a lower rate than they paper sold it to themself for

right thats what i said

they have to cover withdrawals

Not about hurt, its about profit

they cant profit from a bank run. they can only limit the bleed

<s​omerandomguy> fucking hell

nah they don't have to cover all withdrawals. they can just say "your acct was frozen for suspicious activity" and poof.\

Theyre making money as long as real people sell them 1xmr for less than 1btc

Or "we'll convert it to bnb" lolol

oh yeah, that too

they're the biggest scam in crypto right now. the sooner we're disconnected from them the better

Agreed. 2024 will be the year for DEX's

And we can thank binance and regulators for giving the green light to build faster

Please mr Binance, please don't throw me into that briar patch

<s​omerandomguy> coooool

<s​omerandomguy> so its not THAT bad?

<s​omerandomguy> its just bad

after the panic subsides it will be pure good

<s​omerandomguy> oh

<s​omerandomguy> aight

<s​omerandomguy> oh and also

<s​omerandomguy> does anyone here know how the randomx algorithm works?

<s​omerandomguy> and how hard it would be to port it to Lua as a solo dev?

<s​omerandomguy> no takers?

yes, and yougottabekidding

😁

monero should switch from randomX to befunge

Should switch to POS with 10 validators like binance

Yolo right?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> 10 seems extreme

somerandomguy just read github.com/tevador/RandomX/blob/master/doc/specs.md

Dan - too much right? Maybe 3?

did someone do something recently where something doesn't have to be calculated 720 times, but instead it can just be additive....

Memoization?

<s​omerandomguy> oh fuck

<s​omerandomguy> this looks kind of hard

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "Nobody told me there was math involved!"

<s​omerandomguy> yes but like

<s​omerandomguy> its a stack of math

<s​omerandomguy> its a pile of math

<s​omerandomguy> a mountain, even

<s​omerandomguy> a zenith, perhaps

Spam warning

<s​omerandomguy> huh?

<l​una24:matrix.org> mad whack

<l​una24:matrix.org> math isn't real, it can't hurt you