<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> does anyone here know if majesticbank.sc are reliable/trustworthy?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> They were the highest level of sponsor of Monerokon 3 in Prague last year and AFAIK haven't had any issues yet, the operator is active in some of the monero-related rooms, maybe this one too

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> They were the highest level sponsor of Monerokon 3 in Prague last year and AFAIK haven't had any issues yet, the operator is active in some of the monero-related rooms, maybe this one too

<s​omerandomguy_5245> yo guys

<s​omerandomguy_5245> ebay.com/itm/155679861322

<s​omerandomguy_5245> i found this

<s​omerandomguy_5245> a goddamn 68 core Xeon Phi

<s​omerandomguy_5245> how good would this mine monero?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> on one hand it can have a shit load of RAM

<s​omerandomguy_5245> on the other hand its from like 2016

buy it and find out

<s​omerandomguy_5245> on the other hand wikipedia says it does 3046 GFLOPS

<s​omerandomguy_5245> bro you think i got 50 dollars

<s​omerandomguy_5245> ...well yeah i do have 50 dollars

<s​omerandomguy_5245> i might try that

<s​omerandomguy_5245> if i can find an lga 3647 motherboard lmao

<s​omerandomguy_5245> wasting 100 dollars for a meme dont sound good but idk

i think it sounds great

<s​omerandomguy_5245> also it somehow has 68 CORES (?!) and 272 THREADS (????!!!!)

<s​omerandomguy_5245> intel was smoking some shit

mobos for this look expensive

<s​omerandomguy_5245> i found this one

<s​omerandomguy_5245> ebay.com/itm/276316164397

<s​omerandomguy_5245> its more expensive and probably slightly nerfed compared to the 7250, but it plugs into any normal ass x16 PCIe slot

<s​omerandomguy_5245> i REALLY do not know how to estimate this damn thing's mining performance

just buy it

<s​omerandomguy_5245> aight lmao

<s​omerandomguy_5245> maybe-haps

<s​omerandomguy_5245> if worst comes to worst i could re-list it

how broke are you lol

<s​omerandomguy_5245> i got 20

<s​omerandomguy_5245> 200

<s​omerandomguy_5245> and thats it

<s​omerandomguy_5245> oh wait found this one

<s​omerandomguy_5245> bay.com/itm/295758066853

<s​omerandomguy_5245> ebay.com/itm/295758066853

<s​omerandomguy_5245> a solid 28 dollars

<s​omerandomguy_5245> still does 1k GFLOPS

<s​omerandomguy_5245> i will definitely buy that one

<s​omerandomguy_5245> i am not so broke i dont got 28 dollars

> They require active cooling when installed in the system

<s​omerandomguy_5245> oh yeah

<s​omerandomguy_5245> hmmm i could probably jerry rig something together

<s​omerandomguy_5245> this is going to be hilarious if it works

<s​omerandomguy_5245> also before i try it

<s​omerandomguy_5245> how bad would it be to try and mine monero with only 8GB of RAM

<s​omerandomguy_5245> the card only has 8GB

<s​omerandomguy_5245> although its a lot higher bandwidth

my miner refuses to use more than like 2G

<s​omerandomguy_5245> wait legit

actually more like 10

but its still less than i expected

<s​omerandomguy_5245> so 8GB should be like

<s​omerandomguy_5245> chill enough?

no idea

<s​omerandomguy_5245> especially bcuz of the amazing memory bandwidth and probably good memory timings

<s​omerandomguy_5245> oh

<s​omerandomguy_5245> eh fuck it its 30 dollars

<s​omerandomguy_5245> 16 channel RAM is crazy tho

whats the power usage

270W

<s​omerandomguy_5245> yeahhhh

<s​omerandomguy_5245> a bit power hungry

<s​omerandomguy_5245> power thirsty, eve n

<s​omerandomguy_5245> power thirsty, even

<s​omerandomguy_5245> power consuming, perhaps

<s​omerandomguy_5245> power devouring, probably

<s​omerandomguy_5245> at least it isnt that one 410W intel CPU that is going to be released

<s​omerandomguy_5245> (i9-14900ks)

<s​omerandomguy_5245> oh and also fun fact

<s​omerandomguy_5245> if GFLOPS is comparable to GFLOPS

<s​omerandomguy_5245> than the 31S1P is around the performance of like a i9-10900X

<s​omerandomguy_5245> and thats if you cant overclock it

<s​omerandomguy_5245> technically the multiplier is locked on a 31S1P

<s​omerandomguy_5245> but you might be able to pull some weird shit by doing some jank BCLK (if that is even a thing for a PCIe based card)

<s​omerandomguy_5245> to get more FLOPS

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> I heard they scam

<d​erjohn:matrix.org> ceetee: Is here a good place to ask about #cakewallet ? I did a wallet recovery with 25 words and it basically works. The main Wallet haz 0 XMR. It haz a subaccount (not a subaddress) with some XMR. But the subaccount does not show up on the recovered device.

<c​trej:matrix.org> There is a dedicated cake wallet room Cake Wallet

<c​trej:matrix.org> Afaik subaccounts are deterministic, that means if you create a new subaccount on the new wallet it should have the same addresses as the subaccount on the other wallet

<c​trej:matrix.org> but I must admit I have little practical experience with cake

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Where is the Localmonero room? Can someone link me?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> it's dead since I upgraded phone to android 14

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk:

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> App just suicide when I launch it.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Did try clearing cache and data, then it "work" until I press the skip button, it seam to show the market tab for 1/10 of a second then it kill itself again

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> All others app on the phone did survive the update

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> localmonero has a matrix space hm

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> matrix.to/#/#localmonero--agoradesk…official-matrix-space:agoradesk.com RavFX 🤐

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Does xmrig have a recommended amount of ram per thread or is it the same for everything?

RTFM xmrig.com/docs/miner/randomx-optimization-guide

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Friends, I have questions. Please answer clearly and correctly. There are 4 types of keys in the Monero wallet. These are private spend key, public spend key, private view key and public view key. What is the function of these 4 addresses? For example, which key type is sufficient when restoring a wallet? Explain the function of these 4 keys. I do not know.

<g​olden0:matrix.org> I searched on Google. I couldn't find a source.

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Plz answer me

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Heyyyy

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Why is no answer

you breath smells funny and everyone left

<s​omerandomguy_5245> bro wait

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Why did you say so

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Friends, I have questions. Please answer clearly and correctly. There are 4 types of keys in the Monero wallet. These are private spend key, public spend key, private view key and public view key. What is the function of these 4 addresses? For example, which key type is sufficient when restoring a wallet? Explain the function of these 4 keys. I do not know.

private spend key

please insert 1 xmr in order to expedite service

all answers are here getmonero.org/library/Zero-to-Monero-2-0-0.pdf

spend key allows you to spend your XMR, view key allows you to see incoming transactions

<g​olden0:matrix.org> What is the difference between private spend key and public spend key? I have no money. Don't ask me for money.

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Heyyy answer meeee

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Heyyyy

kek

<g​olden0:matrix.org> I want to learn 4 key types

<s​omerandomguy_5245> also snex

This starts to sound familiar, doesn't it?

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Heyyyy

<s​omerandomguy_5245> i realized the intel xeon phi thing was not going to work due to the fact that

<s​omerandomguy_5245> well

<s​omerandomguy_5245> not enough fucking L3 cache

<s​omerandomguy_5245> it appears you need 2MB of L3 cache per thread

<g​olden0:matrix.org> What is the difference between private spend key and public spend key? I have no money. Don't ask me for money.

if you have no money then you wait for answers in the free queue

<s​omerandomguy_5245> and it only has 28.5MB of L3 cache

stop spamming

<s​omerandomguy_5245> but it has 228 threads

<s​omerandomguy_5245> and 228*2 is definitely more than 28.5

<s​omerandomguy_5245> unless i can figure out a way to collimate the threads/cores

<g​olden0:matrix.org> What is the difference between private spend key and public spend key?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> but i would need to somehow figure out a way to collimate the like 228 threads into 14.25 threads which would be massive pain in ass

<s​omerandomguy_5245> but i would need to somehow figure out a way to collimate the like 228 threads into 14 threads which would be massive pain in ass

use a search engine and stop spamming reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mvcglx…ifference_between_a_public_view_key

Zero to monero / mastering monero available for you if you have any follow.up.Q's

Somerandomguy_5245 find the monero mining room

<s​omerandomguy_5245> monero mining room

<s​omerandomguy_5245> ?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> coool

<g​olden0:matrix.org> public view key and public spend key are not self-explanatory. What do public view key and public spend key do?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> i will try to find

<s​omerandomguy_5245> too bad it dont got a mirror hooked up here

<g​olden0:matrix.org> public view key and public spend key are not self-explanatory. What do public view key and public spend key do?

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Plz answer meeee

maybe #monero-pow?

golden0 all the resources you need have been shared. Take a time out and read them

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Answer me

or maybe old.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining if you don't mind your Reddit corporate overlords :)

<s​omerandomguy_5245> read da sources bro

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Why do you get tired of explaining it here? The link you sent is not explanatory enough.

<g​olden0:matrix.org> public view key and public spend key are not self-explanatory. What do public view key and public spend key do?

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Hello plowsof

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Plz help me plowsof

Public view key and public spend key mate, and the offspring become Monero addresses

<g​olden0:matrix.org> I love you plowsof

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> are you telling me that knaccs comment didnt explain anything and that zero to monero / mastering monero has nothing about this? if true then we have some serious problems

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thank you for raising this issue golden0

<g​olden0:matrix.org> These 4 key types have connections with each other. Explain with examples

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i love golden0 for giving the perfect idea for the 24 or 25 spammer

Ah, yes, of course, that was it!

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> You can lead a horse to water,but…

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Is it a crime to ask questions and want to learn?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Or being lazy?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> of course not, the answers have been given

<g​olden0:matrix.org> These 4 key types have connections with each other. Explain with examples

That went on quite some time. I think we will see the same now. I check back in 1 month :)

<g​olden0:matrix.org> These 4 key types have connections with each other. Explain with examples. Hey plowsof answer my question. I want to learn

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Hey plowsof answer me

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Support vampire

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there will be consequences for not answering sadly

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i suggest every matrix user here now disable image previews / thumbnails in your client if possible / dont click any links from golden0

<g​olden0:matrix.org> I want to learn these 4 types of keys. For example, Ethereum and Solana coins do not have them, but Monero coin has 4 types of keys.

gotta love the persistence

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Why do u not answer my que

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a linked reddit thread has some comments, mastering monero / zero to monero cover the topic extensively

personally? because it was already answered and because its funny seeing you try

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> plowsof is not a cryptographer

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Public spend key = ? Private spend key = ? public view key = ? Private view key = ? Write me what these are and what they do.

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Hello sgp

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Plz answer me

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Hey sgp answer

<s​gp_:monero.social> github.com/AnonimaUzanto/monero_worked_example

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Is it enough to enter a private spend key to restore my Monero wallet?

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Is it enough to enter a private spend key to restore my Monero wallet?

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Hey answer me

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> deterministic wallets can be restored using only the spend key

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Is monero wallet deterministic?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so it depends what your wallet software supports

<s​gp_:monero.social> What's the context? You seem like a novice user so I suggest you stick to the mnemonic seed only

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Cake monero.com mobile wallet

<s​gp_:monero.social> To restore from keys, you need the address, private/secret spend key, and private/secret view key to restore the wallet. 3 strings.

<s​gp_:monero.social> getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/restore_from_keys.html

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Is monero wallet deterministic?

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Is monero wallet deterministic?

<s​gp_:monero.social> Why are you asking this question

<s​gp_:monero.social> I feel you're still confused

<s​gp_:monero.social> If you don't know what this means, don't worry about it

<g​olden0:matrix.org> I want to learn.

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Is monero wallet deterministic?

<s​gp_:monero.social> If you want to learn, read and follow this example I sent earlier

<s​gp_:monero.social> Here's some more context on "deterministic." Monero works differently than Bitcoin, which is why it's important that you understand the context of how the keys work so you don't get confused by further questions 

<s​gp_:monero.social> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4zq2h2…tic_wallet_not_really_deterministic

<g​olden0:matrix.org> I want to learn.

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Is monero wallet deterministic? Not deterministic or deterministic?

<s​gp_:monero.social> Deterministic in the context you're asking

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Are monero and monero wallet deterministic? Clear answer

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Hey sgp

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Are monero and monero wallet deterministic? Clear answer.

bro wtf

he WILL have his answer

youre not 5

stop acting like it

<s​gp_:monero.social> I not going to reply with you anymore because I already answered that question, and because you can read some documentation elsewhere. For the sake of everyone else, please read the documentation

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Why is 1 key enough for Bitcoin to restore, but why is 3 keys enough for Monero? Why is 1 key not enough to restore monero?

<s​gp_:monero.social> thanks for the different question

<s​gp_:monero.social> because monero has stealth addresses and bitcoin does not, that's the short answer. 2 keys are needed to permit this functionality in the way Monero implements it

<s​omerandomguy_5245> am back

<s​omerandomguy_5245> did it get solved

<s​omerandomguy_5245> oh cool

Xeon Phi can do 7 kh/s xmrig/xmrig #1164#issuecomment-542383243

<g​olden0:matrix.org> For example, let's say I have 1 xMR. If the fraudster knows my private spend key and does not know the private view key and primary address, can he steal my assets or not?

private spend key is enough

all other keys are derived from it

Did you read getmonero.org/library/Zero-to-Monero-2-0-0.pdf

All answers are there

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Are private view key and primary address derived from private spend key?

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Private spend key and private view key and primary address are enough?

<g​olden0:matrix.org> But I couldn't restore the cake monero wallet with just the private spend key.

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Hey answer me

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> can i temp mute you for like an hour golden0 so you can collect your thoughts. it depends on what your wallet software supports. but it is entirely possible to restore from just the private spend key.

<g​olden0:matrix.org> Hey answer mee

monero-wallet-cli --generate-from-spend-key

monero-wallet-cli --generate-from-spend-key <name of your new wallet>

try it

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> .remindme 1 hour unmute golden0

hey read the book

or you can only read short tweets and discord memes?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> ONLY?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> damn

<s​omerandomguy_5245> only 7 kh/s

<s​omerandomguy_5245> if it scales linearly with it's GFLOPS, than it aint worth it lmao

<s​omerandomguy_5245> although it probably dont

<s​omerandomguy_5245> O O F

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Explain with colouring book

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> corporate usually send in people like golden0 to perform psychological stress tests. we have passed this round. thank you for playing

only 7 kh/s because Phi doesn't have enough cache

<b​asses:matrix.org> lol

<b​asses:matrix.org> feds sent erc

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> We passed the pentest plowsof?

flying colors

<a​non9843:matrix.org> I am new to the Monero community and have a question: does talking to other people who have bad OPSEC hurt your OPSEC?

<a​non9843:matrix.org> I don't really care about keeping my identity here private. However, if actual anons do care about their OPSEC, and they will not want to talk to people with bad OPSEC, then I will put some effort into staying private.

<a​non9843:matrix.org> I say this especially because I plan on becoming a dev for Haveno or maybe Monerujo. Will devs care if they are talking to other devs with bad OPSEC?

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Yes, it does.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Best you can do is disclose selectively.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Or disappear from the world, which is impossible.

<a​non9843:matrix.org> So if I use my real name and am open about everyhting then anons don't want to talk to me?

<a​non9843:matrix.org> oh nvm you are in the Hack Liberty room

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> If they are anon then all they link to you is a nick

<b​asses:matrix.org> I don't get how it matters

<s​gp_:monero.social> you can do whatever you want

<y​amazapatos:matrix.org> hello i had an issue sending as soon as i sent to an address on monero its like it never existed it changed and i didnt get the funds any idea why that happened

<a​non9843:matrix.org> I don't care about what can be linked to back to me. I would not say anything that I would not say IRL.

What did the address change to and does it appear when entered into a.search engine yamazapatos

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> No to them

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> When you are finger printed they link you to them, but if there opsec is good it will just be a nick.

<a​non9843:matrix.org> So will they not want to talk to me if my opsec is bad?

Who is.they

<a​non9843:matrix.org> Anons, just general XMR users and maybe devs,

Depends on the individual. But there are plenty of non-anon devs/contributors

<a​non9843:matrix.org> Ok. I want to talk about XMR and TOR in IRL so I don't see the point of trying hide that I talk about it online.

<a​non9843:matrix.org> Are there any issues between the anons and the non-anon devs?

<a​non9843:matrix.org> I know that fluffypony was a non-anon dev. Was he a good or bad example of what to do? I don't know the details of his arrest and whether it had to do with XMR.

His arrest had to do with something he was accused of doing in 2011

way before XMR

<a​non9843:matrix.org> So was he a good example of how to be a non-anon dev?

Some people dont like to be the subject matter randomly. I dont recall him claiming to set the standard for a non-anon dev neither

Im not aware of any drift between anons/non anons.. as long as you both set boundaries early on in your relationship... Avoid google links and you should be ok

<s​omerandomguy_5245> also

<s​omerandomguy_5245> does anyone remember that monero ASIC fiasco a while ago?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Bitmain?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> ya

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> There still on fire

<s​omerandomguy_5245> it was not actually an ASIC, yes?

Motherboards with a few cpus on them.stacked on top of each other

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> No wasnt asic

<s​omerandomguy_5245> ah

<s​omerandomguy_5245> it made me think tho

<s​omerandomguy_5245> whats the chance that someone actually makes an ASIC for it?

they already did make an asic for it. its called a general purpose cpu

<s​omerandomguy_5245> a bit nervous that some big brain figures out how to break RandomX and then proceeds to smoke everyone with pure hashrate

<s​omerandomguy_5245> oh

<s​omerandomguy_5245> ahhh

<s​omerandomguy_5245> well hopefully it stays like that

i dont see how youd make an asic when the nature of randomX is that you dont know what its going to send you

No need for 'oh" and "ahh" messages to increase the backlog

<s​omerandomguy_5245> what backlog

<s​omerandomguy_5245> we have a fucking backlog?