<n​orvegan:nope.chat> What's the difference between haveno and serai?

RavFX: No, I was talking about China and US respectively, obviously.

There's only a little water on the left and a huge amount of water on the right though.

Besides, apart from Guam, the US isn't an Asian country.

Somoa

American Somoa is considered to be Oceania.

<m​odul8:matrix.org> haveno is like a localbitcoin or localmonero but not a website, serai is like...i dont know im not smart enough to have touched etherium style stuff but you can only transfer other digital tokens not fiat.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Haveno is like bisq but with Monero as the main fiat tradable currency, instead of bitcoin.

<m​odul8:matrix.org> is that the year monero got better. privacy enhancements...man..still evolving...not even its final form

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yep, monero is the only one.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> If it die, all hope is lost

<y​asabi:matrix.org> bisq/haveno/etc are decentralized orderbooks, haveno is an automated market maker

<y​asabi:matrix.org> bisq/haveno/etc are decentralized orderbooks, serai is an automated market maker

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> haveno is like half life 3

<y​asabi:matrix.org> bisq/haveno/etc are decentralized orderbooks, serai is an automated market maker

<m​odul8:matrix.org> still remember downloading hl2 on floppy sized archives on dialup lol

<m​odul8:matrix.org> that ai felt real

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> i just got the cd

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> not dealing with faxes or people call home line

<j​ackiesawicky:matrix.org> discord.gg/sEKCFCegp7

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> lol ^

eww discord

Discord and Monero doesn't quite go hand in hand.

exactly

<b​asses:matrix.org> cake-tech/cake_wallet #1213#top

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/UqyYFStpFlERfWAuSQxIojSd

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Some miner(s) got a bonus!

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> its disabled by default, most issue is with background sync set as aggressive

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> 😂

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> mastodon.social/@AmericanScream/112134020929187863

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> uh huh

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> i'm loving the podcast but you need a new mic

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> why

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> are you on ep1? we fixed the issue after that

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> still on ep1 yes

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> yeah its not the mic its the directionality. i thought just speaking near it was good enough but we learned the mic has to be directed at where you are speaking

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> i had a fun chat with some buttcoiners today and the arguments against monero were revolutionary, to say the least

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> as in, they went in circles?

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> no it was much worse I made a list of their arguments you're going to laugh at them

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> these were the arguments against monero:

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> 1) wired.com/story/monero-privacy -> privacy is broken

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> 2) cointelegraph.com/news/monero-crypt…uble-extortion-attacks-increase-500 -> used only for crime

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> 3) Monero is better than Bitcoin because it uses PoS and this requires less electricity

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> 4) Monero being delisted will kill the coin. Without a CEX, how will Monero survive?

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> 5) using Monero makes you suspicious and this decreases your privacy

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> 6) monero is only rank 50 on coingecko and the marketcap is low

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> when did we switch to PoS?

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> i think i figured out why buttcoiners are like this. most of the people i spoke with were old, like gen x

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> hey im genX :(

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> so it all makes sense now. buttcoins are old people who don't understand the technology

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> you must be a smarter gen x somehow

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> or technically im a xennial, a new word i learned the other day

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> I mentioned haveno, serai and bisq

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> they said that how can we trust price information from dexes? it could be fake. that's when i left the debate

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> lol.. how do you trust the prices at the grocery store?

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> buttcoiners also think that we all use tradeorge for some reason

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> not sure how they understand what tradeorge is but not how a dex works

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.se/NjQupndmGqhNxiUGJbKAXMnO

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.se/nIFnpNWNayEtFqLxjEfJCXOZ

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.se/dOlQmqAXFtHtptNcBTUBHFVt

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> there is no "true price" of an asset. theres a price youre willing to pay and a price youre not willing to pay

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> some proof of the discussion, this is real not me trolling

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> and if the prices on a DEX are wildly divergent from other places, people will arb

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> I don't think these people know what arb is, they'll probably think it's another crypto token scam

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> well it actually is

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> there you go, it's too confusing!

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> arbitrage or arbitrum hmmm

3) monero is PoS so its better than BTC? Did you forget which team you where trolling for when you wrote that lol

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> oh no none of those arguments are from me

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> those arguments are from the buttcoiners themselves

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.se/OIaWZaqsMgDTruNoMYBDNJEr

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.se/dtGJxWvHbxqHwpfRvvhuBagt

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> is this true? when did Monero fork to PoS plowsof?

Xmr dot se is a Monero fan today, you tell me :D

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.se/GYOPHcDaykaXBEOUuDUbOLjq

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> why even talk to these people

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> I run by skepticism everyday instead of skepticism sunday

If they think Monero is PoS then whats the point of continuing a conversation

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> like imagine you live in the bronze age and discover steel. how much time you gonna spend arguing with people who insist on keeping the bronze?

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> didn't you see the discord links they were spamming across the monero channels?

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> these people were begging for a debate

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> no that was deleted before i saw it

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> but still, why engage?

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> it wasn't deleted in the haveno channel

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> i was curious and now i know never to engage again

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> let the bronze armored warriors go to battle against the hittites and learn the hard way

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> i thought buttcoiners were knowledgeable about crypto. after all, they know about tether and all that

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> they know what msm lets them know

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> sad sad sad

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> update: americanscream does have 40 years of experience it looks like

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.se/dfdBMJufFTOzphuFypTsuNIQ

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.se/kBgKEamNakuPFdtxIuNcwBJp

No one asked

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> i don't know how it's possible to be this knowledgeable with tech but still come and criticize monero

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> this is all public information plowsof i asked him

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Which grafana dashboard is this?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> github.com/lalanza808/docker-monero-node

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> @pcre:matrix.org what did you use to graph this?

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.se/NqcVfLMieohIomkAZRJyIEnu

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> data and the program?

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> freeofrnxmr

<o​ldiegoldie:xmr.se> he saved monero

<b​asses:matrix.org> retarded articles

<b​asses:matrix.org> For tor browser

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Note: Changing browser settings on TBB is not recommended by some, as they argue it is bad because it increases fingerprinting. Please also note that this is SpywareWatchdog, and not FingerprintWatchdog.

<b​asses:matrix.org> lmao wtf

<b​asses:matrix.org> anything he doesn't like is "spyware" lmao

<b​asses:matrix.org> spyware.neocities.org is spyware

<p​cre:matrix.org> Gnu R

<p​cre:matrix.org> ibb.co/6FB4Chk

<b​asses:matrix.org> I don't deny discord is one of the worst platforms btw

<b​asses:matrix.org> but saying Telegram isn't is pure hypocrisy

<p​cre:matrix.org> paste.debian.net/1311640

<b​asses:matrix.org> holy, I thought I have seen peak retards in other privacy channels. This has to be unsolicited troll.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> ??

<b​asses:matrix.org> proxies other people retarded opinions based on speculations instead of facts sounds very *skeptical*.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> its all deleted so quoting it doesnt help

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's not deleted, just rotate head -45 degree to look at IRC screen instead

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Deletion is futile when Matrix is linked to other platforms

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> but im on matrix

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> You where on IRC before, thought you still had both

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> i was banned at the request of the libera admins

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> erf, I see

oldiegoldie, Most older generations don't understand technology, but the few who do easily outsmart the younger generations.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> you merely adopted the technology. i was born into it

The old farts know how to make complete software solutions in C or Assembly, make them in under a year, and don't update them afterwards (because at the time it was impossible). The new fags on the other hand have an abundance of languages to choose from (Python, Javascript, Go, Rust, Zig, PHP, Perl, Java, whatever), and after more than a year they either are still not done, or get released full

with holes.

The average webdev stack of someone with 20~30 years experience (or a grandpa/grandma in tech years): HTML + CSS + PHP + SQL

The average webdev stack of someone with 10 years or less experience: HTML (but only a tiny bit) + some kind of CSS framework + some kind of JS framework + some kind of backend framework + Docker + some kind of SQL abstraction + a bunch of weird tools I don't understand why they even need them + political drama on Github and/or Discord

I don't think you should generalize that much. I think broader grouping is less by generation but rather by dedication and experience.

This pattern is so common, it's hard not to "generalize".

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> php ew

The only mistake here is that it's not Github, but Microsoft Github.

snex, PHP 8.x is really decent. But if you mean PHP 5.x and older, then I agree, ew.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> all php is shit

The only other language that's suitable for web backends is Go.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> ruby ainec

Ruby on Rails is a framework that turns a language that isn't designed for the web into one that is.

Im getting errors in my monerod

I got an impression that Assembly is kind of required if you want into pentesting.

Stuff like underflow in tx pool weight

But imagine saying that PHP sucks, and then recommend Ruby.

People in the early 2010s thought that Ruby was superior over PHP, only to regret it a few years later.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> zero people regretted it

The biggest example of those "zero people" is Discourse.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> im not aware of anyone making web apps in php anymore

#monero-offtopic

Freelancers use it, here in Asia it's heavily used, WordPress devs use it, hobbyists (the only ones who use real PHP) use it.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> it sez im banned there even on the matrix side lol

I got better things to do in my life than to argue with somebody on the internet about whether you should use webdev languages for websites or not.

So I'll just leave it at that.