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<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Wordpress?

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> someone should code an alternative monero daemon in php

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> and force snex to use it

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> truer words were never spoken, remiliascarlet

one day ima have the daemon in shell script

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> based

scripts calling scripts.... it'll be glorious

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> 😂

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> make it so it support smort concractts

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> github.com/rothgar/bashchain

Why is it that when you import the blockchain through blockchain.raw it slows down as it goes?

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> Newer blocks are harder to validate for various reasons

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> muh more cheap transactions

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<w​rought959:matrix.org> Ia this the right place to complain about monero.com wallet? 😅 I am super frustrated. The last payment I made was a month ago and every time I enter the app it wants to synchronize multiple thousand blocks. I can sit and wait forever but I never managed to be patient enough for it to finish syncing. At 30min max I changed apps and started using my phone again. For whatever re<clipped message>

<w​rought959:matrix.org> ason this kills the sync (why can't it just sync when the app is open in the background?). I turned on agressive background sync in the settings so I hoped that It would keep the wallet synced at all times or only have to sync a few hundred blocks whenever I open the app... However this does nothing... So now I can either let my phone rest for some hours, or use it as I would thr<clipped message>

<w​rought959:matrix.org> oughout the day and never reach a synced status 👍😭

<w​rought959:matrix.org> I know this sounds super salty. Might be a me issue, user error or specific technical reason on my end. I dont want to piss anyone off I am just annoyed 🥲

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I think android usually kill app in background right?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Ideally you would open the wallet regularly so it's stay synced?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I don't have much experience with them, using only Monejuro from time to time but it's what I do, like open it once a week or something.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> try ask in cake wallet room

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I think android usually kill app in background right?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Ideally you would open the wallet regularly so it's stay synced?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I don't have much experience with them, using only Monerujo from time to time but it's what I do, like open it once a week or something.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> agressive background sync will make things worse

wrought, this is a blockchain related problem rather than a Monero wallet one. Monero just happens to get more and more popular, and by that, more and more transactions are being made, and with that, you'll start having to get in-sync again more often.

gfdshygti, just running `monerod` should be enough. Although you guys seem to be talking about an "app", so it's most likely a smartphone-only thing, and no idea how it works on those.

I kinda do, because I use the CLI wallet and monerod on a smartphone, but that's because I have a Linux phone, so not Android and not iOS.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, monero.com is an "app".

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I mostly use desktop (feather wallet) and I have my nodes. Wallet stay open 24/7 and stay in sync.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Phone wallet is just for the rare time I travel

<c​ollardbeans:matrix.org> Same for me, they have live support chat in cake app and i had major issues all week told me to turn off background sync and gave me different nodes. Got the sync to work but couldn't get exchange to go through and gave up.

<c​ollardbeans:matrix.org> Deff issues tho

<k​arano:poddery.com> Cake Wallet

I'm a hikikomori most of the time, so I almost never use my phone.

<k​arano:poddery.com> wrought959: collardbeans: check #cakewallet:monero.social

I sometimes go outside, because I have to at least a few times a month, and feel miserable for that.

<w​rought959:matrix.org> hows that?

Being home is just more comfortable.

It feels like I'm right at home.

<c​ollardbeans:matrix.org> Broken

What Linux phone do you use?

<w​rought959:matrix.org> ok 😅

PinePhone.

Librem 5 might have been beter, but they're way more expensive, and they don't even seem to actually arrive for a lot of people on top of that.

is the pinephone usable as a daily driver?

I don't even know who can afford Librem lol

BlueyHealer: how much is it?

Last I have seen, it was around an iPhone price.

uncle_rae: For most people, probably not. For me, it absolutely is.

Literally all I need a phone for is to make phone calls and as a mobile router for my laptop in the few cases I'm not home.

And PinePhone can do both of them on any OS.

$300 is the upper limit of a phone price for me.

It's the laptops and desktops that can go mich higher, there is at least a more notoceable difference.

But if you're addicted to a mobile-only chat app like LINE, WhatsApp, Signal, WeChat, or whatever, you can forget about those. Mobian (Debian for PinePhone) does come with Telegram pre-installed though, but not sure if it works. You can also install Dino for XMPP or Polari for IRC.

And some Matrix client, but I can't think of anything that has all the features other than Element, which is not going to work well.

i'm looking at the pinephone pro as a secondary device

#monero-offtopic

BlueyHealer: Just get a ThinkPad X200, install OpenBSD on it, and you have a super cheap laptop from 2008 that runs like if it were bought in 2026.

"But we're in 2024, not 2026." Yes, that's the point.

<d​ufebo98:monero.social> The monero network is under a black marble attack. How will the privacy be impacted?

is openbsd really that much better than the various linux distros?

OpenBSD is a bit slower in comparison, but when it comes to security it's like a bunker.

#monero-offtopic uncle_rae remiliascarlet

plowsof: I'm already there, but uncle_rae doesn't seem to be there.

<d​ufebo98:monero.social> Say, if all the decoys in a transaction came from the attacker, what kinds of information would reveal to him? The spender,The amount, or the receiver?

If you're addicted to mobile-only apps - Waydroid exists.

"All of the decoys in the transaction"? Just how likely can this be?

But overal, OpenBSD has a lot more merit than Linux has, especially when compared to post-2018 Linux. Everything is based on technical merit rather than political drama, OpenBSD kernel is lean and clean (Linux kernel is bloated as fuck these days), OpenBSD is developed entire by a single team whereas Linux distro's are developed by a bunch people in total isolation from one other, the only downside

is that there's considerably less software for OpenBSD than there is for Linux, but might as well be an upside, because most software these days sucks anyway.

That is a questionable upside.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> i wonder if theres less software because the "lean and clean" kernel doesnt enable software developers to write software that people want to use

snex, BlueyHealer, #monero-offtopic

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> unban me and ill go there

We really need an independent IRC server for Monero...

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> host it on i2p

Instead of relying on Libera.Chat.

You can host on the clearnet too, it's a hell lot easier than hosting a Matrix server, which is what Monero does.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> i2p is uncensorable even in principle

Yes.

An IRC server hosted on I2P can be censored if the wrong people are appointed to be operators though.

But other than that, it can't.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> it still cant

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> all the opers can do is take the whole server down

They can kick and ban your nick if a nameserv is used.

They can't IP ban you, that would take the entire server down with you.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> ok but thats just an annoyance

Yes, but that's what I'm trying to say here. Even on all the "uncensorable" platforms or protocols, if the wrong people have control, things can still get censored in one way or the other.

But that's a human problem rather than a technical one.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> the best way to run it would be to have the offtopic be free and open, then the "srs" channels be +im

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> or maybe just +m

I find it a bit uncomfortable how big Libera is and how many projects rely on it... I remember looking into hosting an IRC server, and it seemed fairly doable, especially if you're more than just a hobbyist.

you aren't even talking about monero. what do you need another server to not talk about monero for?

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> i2p already has an irc server hosted by postman, a trusted guy in the community. no reason that server couldnt be used

Given that for some people here a VPS price is pennies - I just don't see why not. I think we should self-host whatever we feasibly can.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> to talk to other monero fans about those things

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> theres a #monero channel on the postman i2p server already. should all just start showing up

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> That is not truly decentralized, @snex:matrix.xens.org

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Registration might be required, etc.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> The best approach is to make it like jell-o. You know? Resilient.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> And the best way to achieve that is through total decentralization.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> nothing is truly decentralized unless users are willing to self-host, and vast majority will not self-host a chat server. you dont NEED a decentralized chat for monero discussion

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> I am thinking of a better way of self-hosting.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> i2p has "self hosting" built in as you must run a router that contributes bandwidth in order to be on it at all. its very hard to get people to self-host without a reward structure

What such a reward structure even look like?

*would even look like

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Then why ruining it with a centralized IRC? XMPP would be better suited since it federates.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> xmpp is trash (though so is irc tbf)

Plus built-in history, ye. That seems like a good option too.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> continuing #monero-offtopic:monero.socialsnex simplemachines BlueyHealer

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> @plowsof:matrix.org are you vegan?

Why is it trash? I find it the most optimal communication method for me so far. Easy to host.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> sure, soon as you unban me

For many does messages are being lost in the matrix

So good lolol

Does=days

Matrix.org doesn't like monero_social

I do wish to join some matrix rooms, but since I have a VPS, don't want to use a public server and want to selfhost.

But I have less than a gig of spare ram and very limited storage. Apparently Synapse, which would probably not have enough resources to work, can auto-purge media at least, but have not figured that out for Dendrite or Conduit.

If it worked like XMPP, where you only are responsible for your own media and history - it would have been so much easier.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Can we just make an official Monero IRC network?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Like a few of us just spawn IRC servers and just link them together.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> And get rid of woke matrix scam in the same time

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> @gfdshygti53:monero.social What would be the difference with the current room? Someone bans you and there is no recourse.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Also matrix is good for monero because of UI/UX.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> At least the admins have some control

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Like right now matrix.org is shadowbanning us right?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Then Libera ban people themself too

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> It doesn't matter who controls, there's still centralized control.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Make it fluid.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Make it impermanent and permanent at the same time.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Resilient.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Probably is you can't have it both way.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> If admins can get rid of spammers and scammers, they can also get rid of peoples

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> it's ok having a censor as long as you can vote him in and out.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> the best way to achieve this is through voting with your feet.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, a votin system could be nice

<b​asses:matrix.org> lol

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> as long as votes are actually enforced (remember me of some other project that was supposed to be released last year)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> >Say, if all the decoys in a transaction came from the attacker, what kinds of information would reveal to him? The spender,The amount, or the receiver?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> let me butcher an explanation here.. in this scenario, they would know that "some or all" of the output was spent.... the receiver would be unknown*. The spender would be unknown*. *lets use the ccs wallet hack as an example. after stealing the funds, you sent a transaction to a KYC'd CeX or swap service in a transaction with decoys all owned by a Blockchain Surveillance (BS) comp<clipped message>

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> any. They would be 100% certain that the output was actually spent in that tx, and if any CeX or swap service received it. they can discover the kyc'd spender OR follow it one step further on its journey

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> moonstoneresearch.com/2023/11/03/Postmortem-of-Monero-CCS-Hack.html

Why not XMPP then? Easier to selfhost.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> it would be like this^ except no trees... no guessing.. simply a txid(s) known to be the true spend(s) of the outputs you want to track

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> BlueyHealer I'll work on it and let you know.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> dufebo98

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if you send-to-self / churn in a transaction with 100% of decoys controlled by an adversary,, you would just churn again.. and again... (proper churn techniques are not specifically documented)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> research is on-going though not completed yet (nor satisfactory so far) monerofund.org/projects/eae_attack_and_churning and another one Rucknium mentioned

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> any eae eabe or churns are at risk while we have this ongoing spam

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> sorry for the offtopic churn / black marble discussion. lets continue talking aobut FreeBSD

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> how privacy is offtopic lol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> just joking :(

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Can't have privacy with Libera demanding you register a real email address through clearnet.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> KYC mentality everywhere.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> That's an other reason why we need proper monero irc network

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> nah, same problem. at least with federated services you can dm other people

Plowsof answering a question that we can't see lol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> just another headsup to matrix dot org users: you may not be seeing all the messages here libera.monerologs.net/monero/20240323

the chain split is annoying

Be like me and never get banned

And it's not like I am trying not to

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> that explains the inactivity lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Fck those monero.social peeps 😁

<b​asses:matrix.org> perks

<r​zepetor:matrix.org> Hi, can anybody tell me when I run monero-wallet-rpc then it need to sync like open wallet using monero-wallet-cli?

<r​zepetor:matrix.org> Main reason why I ask for it is this case: I am running docker container with monero-wallet-rpc with view wallet from other user, is it possible to this instance could overload CPU when sync if wallet is very old?

<r​zepetor:matrix.org> Main reason why I ask for it is this case: I am running docker container with monero-wallet-rpc with view wallet from other user, is it possible to this instance could overload CPU when sync if view wallet is very old?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yes it needs to sync

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You can limit the container's CPU usage docs.docker.com/config/containers/resource_constraints

<r​zepetor:matrix.org> Siren: Good point, thanks for this clue