<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Was the room history turned off?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea i dont see the history either

<c​t:xmr.mx> recanman recanman (MOVING TO @recanman:kernal.eu) stop removing your old messages. Your spamming the matrix server, preventing users from seeing history

not like it removes them from IRC anyway

the superior protocol

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> ceetee.mx: so one user can fuck a public Matrix channel by deleting their old messages?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Seems like it

<3​21bob321:monero.social> It fcks the room when you mass delete

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ask an admin to redact your messages

IRC FTW

depending on matrix client, you can filter such changes out

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its pointless, its a public room

The only thing from IRC I miss is message history - but even that was implemented, albeit not universally and janky, in UnrealIRCD. But even that was a concern only before I got a bouncer. Although if every server user can be given a bouncer by the admins, that solves itself too.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/tWmNPdgeUhpKIzoGCaUhzVyA

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> "I just destroyed a matrix room....with my FREAKING MIND!"

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> I don't know about you guys but this room is fuuucked for me

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> ITS MONEROVER

<m​oneromaster:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/sBnfwAKEpaSFXgihZGqBdsot

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> need a monero ad where it says "the separation of money and the state"

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> need a monero ad where it says "the separation of money and state"

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> need a monero ad where it says "the separation of money and state cannot be stopped" or something similar

<c​t:xmr.mx> ^ last message before the accidental "m.room.redaction" spam

<c​t:xmr.mx> You can click the quote to jump over the extremely laggy scrolling part

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I'll make an issue on the Element repository

<c​t:xmr.mx> Nope, there's even more. Click on this to jump over all of it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Seems there already is one

plowsof: The fun thing is that I can probably still see deleted messages, since there's no edit functionality on IRC, let alone delete. Better yet, everything written here is logged and publicly viewable anyway, making deleting posts even on Matrix completely useless.

klausschwab:monero.social: IRC MASTERRACE!!

BlueyHealer: Ergo has message history too, but you will need a very stable server, because each time the daemon restarts (probably from garbage collecting, because it's written in Go), it'll rewind history to everyone, which can get really spammy really quick.

all logs here: libera.monerologs.net/monero/20240618

Irc is the superior protocol, just admit it guys.

BlueyHealer: For public comms, indeed.

Yea, for one-to-one or small group encrypted chats I'd prefer XMPP)

<k​arano:poddery.com> true

Also recently paid attention to Simplex because some people were there, a bit sus because it's new and because of the model, but looking with interest now.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It received several audits and are listening to twitter community

<s​omuchmoneyy:nope.chat> I resetted my monero wallet using my seedphrase and resetted the password but when I reset it there was nothing on there. No money, no transactions, nothing. Can anyone help?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> You might need to sync

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> What wallet are you using?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Unlike signal you can also host your own simpleX relay

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> That needs to be a given for me to even consider using it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I use two matrix servers, this one, and the one I host for my family with federation disabled

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I would not even consider using if I cannot host my own...

syntheticbird, ye, I do host an SMP server now. I for now am cautious about how most people are using central servers, but hope there would be more public ones. Seems interesting for sure.

<s​omuchmoneyy:nope.chat> Monero GUI wallet

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> What does it say at the bottom right?

Although I did not set up an XFTP one - there must've been a mistae in instructions, I followed them fully.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> What does it say at the bottom left?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Once you are in your wallet

<s​omuchmoneyy:nope.chat> I've closed the wallet now

<s​omuchmoneyy:nope.chat> I will reopen it

<s​omuchmoneyy:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/vkVbunPWewYhttJeKEtXUGmk

<s​omuchmoneyy:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/afyOZRpMZVxYwzSASoiHwYpv

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> You have to wait for the wallet to sync

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> The daemon is synced, but now, your wallet has to scan the blockchain for outputs that it owns.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It will take a while

<s​omuchmoneyy:nope.chat> oh ok

<s​omuchmoneyy:nope.chat> thanks

<p​reland:monero.social> Fun fact: the total hashrate of XMR is equivalent to 28,000 fully-optimized Threadripper Pro 7995WX computers

<p​reland:monero.social> If that was actually what was being used, then the total hardware cost of everything running the network would be probably in the range of 350-400 million

<p​reland:monero.social> Ofc that number isn’t at all correct.

<p​reland:monero.social> The actual number is much much higher because of botnets 😂

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> Let's add more botnets to secure monero against tax money spendings

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> More like let's get rid of botnets, so that legit miners can actually pay their bills and mine profitably

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Botnets = thieves, never forget that

<s​trawberry:monero.social> botnets = thieves why?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Seems pretty straightforward to me, someone is running things on YOUR property without your consent

<p​aranoia_machinery:monero.social> Noones wants to integrate Monero if anyone is interested:

<p​aranoia_machinery:monero.social> x.com/ray_noOnes/status/1803006129129029875

<s​trawberry:monero.social> did you consent to this message appearing on your screen?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yes, my computer is connecting to the kernal.eu server, federating with monero.social, etc.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> my firewall is allowing connections, etc.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Running things, not showing messages

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Taking up my resources

<s​trawberry:monero.social> showing messages is running something and does take up resources

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> No need for this pedantry

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> You understand my point, I am not intending to allow someone to send data from my computer to theirs without my consent

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It isn't software that I consented to running on my computer/network

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> One who runs a botnet is stealing other peoples' resources, regardless if they are being utilized or not

<s​trawberry:monero.social> doesn't seem like stealing in the traditional sense

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Sure, not in the traditional sense

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Nothing digital is traditional

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Siphoning resources without the consent of the user

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I cannot be any clearer

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yes it is. Someone is burning energy and you're footing the bill. And that's on top of the stolen computational resources

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Pedantry or not, botnets are stealing, end of story

<s​trawberry:monero.social> are you not burning energy displaying this message? yes this is pedantic but I fail to see a categorical difference

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> But I am consenting to the software that is running

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Element/whatever

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> To connect to kernal.eu server and receive messages

<p​reland:monero.social> A network reliant on botnets is a poorly made network, regardless of the complexity or use of the network

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If I don't want messages from you I can ignore (block) you/close my client/disconnect my computer from my network/block kernal.eu server in my firewall/go live in a cave

<p​reland:monero.social> If Monero is just one “automated Windows security update” away from losing a *large* portion of its hashrate, that is a very bad issue

<p​reland:monero.social> Even if 90% of botnets infect EOL windows, Windows could still be coerced into running another one

<s​trawberry:monero.social> to be clear I'm not advocating for anyone to start a botnet to mine XMR

<p​reland:monero.social> This is *excluding* the numerous moral issues that botnets give

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I don't think we got that impression

<p​reland:monero.social> And I’m not saying that botnets should be banned (impossible to enforce without harming normal participants)

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I can't do anything about botnets on Monero and I won't do anything. What I am trying to clarify here is that a botnet is stealing

<p​reland:monero.social> It would be a good idea to have RandomX be further optimized against botnets

<p​reland:monero.social> It is already quite optimized for this, but it should probably be even more optimized

<s​trawberry:monero.social> only to the extent that botnets are a 51% risk

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> How? The idea is 1 cpu = 1 vote

<p​reland:monero.social> That top-tier Threadripper build would only earn (in gross) less than 2$ per day.

<p​reland:monero.social> An older generation Threadripper build (3990x) would earn less than a dollar.

<p​reland:monero.social> I’d be shocked to learn that more than 51% of the hashrate *isnt* botnets.

<p​reland:monero.social> 1 *hash* is one vote

<s​trawberry:monero.social> the question is whether it's 1 single botnet

<s​trawberry:monero.social> this is the logic that led to ASICs

<p​reland:monero.social> Likely not a single one

<p​reland:monero.social> But if a significant number of botnets use the same platform/same escalation exploit, then if said exploit were patched or reversed, then all of those botnets would disappear

<s​trawberry:monero.social> sure, but why would we want to disappear all that hashrate now? it would have the same effect as the exploit being patched

<p​reland:monero.social> We can control the hashrate spread to change what type of effort is valued (ie when we moved away from ASICS). We can’t control how many cpus someone has, or how they got access to them.

<p​reland:monero.social> Which is more valuable to the network, a single miner that will consistently mine and connect at a single unmoving point, or a multitude of exceedingly inefficient, chaotic, and downright illegal nodes, *all of which are still controlled by a centralized authority, just like a single ASIC*

<p​reland:monero.social> Their hashrate wouldn’t disappear, that simply isn’t possible. Their hashrate would drop. Either that or the hashrate of non-botnets would increase

<s​trawberry:monero.social> if someone has several cpus that's still 1 cpu = 1 vote

<p​reland:monero.social> how do you distinguish between a botnet of 10000 computers and 10000 individual computers running of their own volition

<s​trawberry:monero.social> no idea, you're the one who suggested editing randomx to distinguish between them

<p​reland:monero.social> The only real way would be to see how much of the computer’s compute is getting used by the miner

<p​reland:monero.social> If it is a lot of it, then it’s likely to be a legitimate user (a botnet can only 100% a computer for so long before the owner catches on)

<p​reland:monero.social> Oop hold on I think I just fixed my Qubes install

<s​trawberry:monero.social> what was broken

<s​trawberry:monero.social> you're describing how centralized pools work, I'd agree with any changes to the pow that disadvantages pools, but framing it as a problem with botnets only is missing the point

<s​trawberry:monero.social> "running of their own volition" = proposing blocks, as opposed to being given blocks to mine

<s​dfasdfasdfa:nope.chat> using botnets to mine is better because then you won't have to pay anything because you can just use other people's computers to mine. Also it's better bec ause then you'll have multiple devices to mine with which is better

<s​dfasdfasdfa:nope.chat> I disagree

<s​dfasdfasdfa:nope.chat> using botnets to mine is better because then you won't have to pay anything because you can just use other people's computers to mine. Also it's better bec ause then you'll have multiple devices to mine with so it's better

minind monero on his computer sounds like a nice revenge for your ex)

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Recently I’ve been discussing using proof of burn for an application in an exchange.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> What I’m wondering is what protections are there for monero burning attacks when the Market Cap of monero is small?

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I’m aware that tail emission exists but is it sufficient?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> burning attacks?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> proposal: we consider any monero sent to my wallet as burned.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> You can send monero to an address nobody likely owns. Or you can just throw away your private key.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> If you go out of your way to buy a lot of monero so you can reduce the supply, it can reach a the point that it starts to become a problem.

<s​trawberry:monero.social> sounds like a donation to everyone

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Yes until there’s not enough monero for a market heavily using monero to function

<s​trawberry:monero.social> the UK government claim to do this with XMR already, but monero is too divisible for it to make a difference

<s​trawberry:monero.social> even in the extreme case when they buy and destroy the entire supply, more would just be created by tail emission and we're back to square 1

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> They burn what they confiscate but I haven’t heard that they’ve been buying it up to burn it

<s​trawberry:monero.social> thats what I meant

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I’m asking if tail emission is sufficient or adaptable to supply or tx rate in anyway?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> I don't understand the problem

tail emission of monero more or less mimics gold mining, about 1% yearly output of total supply, unless they start mining gold on asteroids

<r​ucknium:monero.social> hardhatter: Monero has four more decimal places than bitcoin IIRC. I don't understand how a mass burning attack is supposed to work.

<s​trawberry:monero.social> if you sell your moneros and they get burned, why complain? if you have any left, they are now worth more

<s​trawberry:monero.social> if anything, it would be more damaging if uk gov DIDN'T burn the coins, so they can threaten to crash the price or something

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Well if you believe that many decimal places enough to make successful burning attacks infeasible, then I guess that answers my question to an extent.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> If it happen to be the case that the number of decimal places wasn’t adequate or that it turned out that relying on having many decimal places turned out to not be protective as we thought, would we have an clear strategy to address the problem?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> every 2 minutes 0.6 xmr = 600000000000 atomic units are created

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> to follow up with that, I’m guessing a decentralized exchanges that burns monero as a form of a fee, likely won’t burn enough monero for it to be a serious concern?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> I think it's fair to say we won't run out of decimal places, even if 1 xmr becomes really expensive

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> to follow up with that, I’m guessing a decentralized exchange that burns monero as a form of a fee, likely won’t burn enough monero for it to be a serious concern?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> do you mean failed 2-of-2 trades with no arbitrator?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> I'm not aware of any reason you'd need to burn xmr in the cooperative/successful case, can you explain how this exchange works?

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> No I’ve been discussing using burnt monero as a form of a advertisement fee to post on a decentralized exchange. Proof of burnt monero is used to determine if an ad is allowed to be posted on the exchange network for some duration

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> This is to mitigate advertisement spam

<s​trawberry:monero.social> how do the advertisements get relayed?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> +1

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> A small fraction of Nodes get contacted with proof of burn by the ad poster then the nodes propagate to all of the rest of the nodes the proof. All nodes that receive the proof will post the ad. And the end user can either verify the proofs themselves or use node consensus to determine legitimacy . Preferably verify it themselves

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Is that saves somewhere? My OS basically reinstalls itself cleanly on each reboot so i want to persist that directory

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So that it doesn't have to sync every reboot

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> should be in the same directory as your keys

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> for example, a wallet `mywallet.keys`

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> wallet cache file `mywallet`

<s​trawberry:monero.social> instead of burning the monero, maybe you could pay it to people running nodes as an incentive, although I have no idea how you would implement that

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> No, it should be burned

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> That is the only way to ensure

<s​trawberry:monero.social> too much burnt coins can cause fud that xmr is overpriced, maybe spend them as unusually high transaction fees?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> might confuse fee prediction algos, and might cause your exchange to stand out on chain though

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> That leads to problems with decentralization. I came up with an alternative that avoids burning but its more complicated. It also has more potential to have an exploit be discovered in theory although it’s not realistically exploitable rn

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Could you share the method?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> yes explain

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> ASICs exist because power efficiency is the key to mining profitability. As the name says: they are Application Specific Integrated Circuits. They are designed to do one thing and do it well.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> For other applications, this is a good thing. But when it comes to crypto-mining and decentralization, they have negative side-effects which are overall harmful to the system.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> That's why Cryptonight and later RandomX were designed: the overall power consumption stays the same, but everyone is on a level playing field because common consumer hardware is the best (and only) choice for everyone

<s​trawberry:monero.social> I am aware

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<e​ndor00:matrix.org> So being a thief and a literal parasite is better than being an honest person? Putting thieves and parasites in charge of a global economic system is good for its health and prosperity?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And here I thought that Monero was supposed to replace that kind of shit, not become it

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<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Yea I’ll give the gist if you want more detail lmk.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> The context for this btw was I wanted to use proof of burn but did not already no any methods to do proof of burn. And the people I asked in haveno’s matrix did not inform me of one until yesterday. So in the mean time I came up with this:

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> The exchange network can periodically receive volunteered addresses from network participants. From that pool of addresses a list of them are randomly chosen. For a set number of blocks ad posters will send their fee to these addresses. And provide their proof of spend to nodes. This is allows ads to be posted for the aforementioned set number of blocks. At the end of the block pe<clipped message>

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> riod the process repeats to allow ad posters to keep their ads up including new ad posters as well

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<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> if the perpetrating third-party does something bad, the technology is not to blame

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<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Not bad of an idea

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<h​ardhatter:monero.social> know any methods*

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<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Since there is already some trust in the network operator

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its just nope dot chat doing a key board test, nothing to see here

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> if you voluntarily connect an insufficiently secured machine to a computer network, you are pretty much consenting to someone else using it. the moral analogy of crime is not exactly relevant

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<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I understand the premise of your point, but anarchy only works if a meritocracy can be established, meaning that all individuals that participate in the society are intelligent and knowledgeable enough

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<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> So you could say that it is justified in that sense, but **in reality**, it is not

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> it is like if you put a vending machine in a mall, and someone finds out that pushing a certain sequence of buttons makes it dispense free candy bars. the onus is on you to protect your property through the public interface you supply

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Logically, I would concur with you that it is your own issue

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yes

<s​trawberry:monero.social> so much this

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Unfortunately, the majority of the population is not knowledgeable/intelligent enough in order to be able to protect themselves

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> if they hijacked your computer through some private interface, i think it is a different story. this would be analgous to smashing the vending machine or breaking into a server room to do a physical attack

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> That's just victim-blaming to excuse a crime. It doesn't matter if the machine is 50 years old and without a password. Unauthorized access is still, by definition, unauthorized. We have laws against it. And even prior to those laws, you are still a thief because you are taking and (ab)using something that doesn't belong to you

hello

<s​trawberry:monero.social> "We have laws against it" is not an argument

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> make em go to prison man

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I understand, but consider that you are deliberately exposing yourself by connecting to a network. With your computer allowing connections, it is already consenting to other people talking to it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Again, logically, this makes sense, but when applied to reality, it is considered morally incorrect and criminal

<s​trawberry:monero.social> it is considered criminal, so what?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I'm not consenting to you cryptojacking my computer - no matter how technically difficult or easy it may be for you to do it. And since I'm the one footing the bill, you are causing a direct financial damage to me by doing so. Which is theft. The end.

<i​dsfhuahjdnsf:nope.chat> lol

<s​trawberry:monero.social> direct financial damage does not imply any theft has been committed

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<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You are stealing my resources (energy and computing power) from me. That's the theft, like I have already said multiple times

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> you are knowingly connecting your computer to a massive public network full of people, who could manage to hijack it

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> If you wanna be a pedantic lawyer about this, go ahead and run your own botnet, and then see if the judges agree with you when you get caught. Something tells me they won't

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Yea it’s alright I guess but could hypothetically be exploited by malicious users sending a large number of volunteered addresses to drown out the the average user. My partial solution to that is to pay fees to the previous list of addresses and use proof of work captcha.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Anyway proof of burn is just a simpler and solid approach

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i mean yknow, sometimes people misconfigure servers, and MAYBE they INTENTIONALLY don't upgrade their software for a reason. a seasoned computer enthousiast may see it as an invitation to get in and contribute to the decentralisation of finances, you gotta see it from their eyes, please understand

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> This whole "do nothing and get free shit" mentality is one of the biggest cancers of crypto (and the world in general)

<i​dsfhuahjdnsf:nope.chat> and then you earn money from it

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> it is victim blaming. victims are entirely to blame in this situation. they enable botnets which wreak havoc on the network. The victims are creating problems for everyone else. It is only natural that there is some cost associated with victimhood to incentivise security.

<s​trawberry:monero.social> judges saying something doesn't make it true

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> this whole "cryptojacking is theft" is an attempt to shift the labor of securing your computer onto the public at large (the justice system, etc.). its not analagous to ordinary crime, because ordinary theft for example has jurisdiction

hey does anyone know of any good crypto exchanges that don't require KYC so that I can convert LTC into XMR

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i mean this applies to real life too, if someone's front door is opened we walk in as we see it as an invitation

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i mean this applies to real life too, if someone's front door is opened we walk in as we see it as an invitation, right?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> mint, try exch.cx or wizardswap when it comes back online

@m-relay thank you, i'll try it out

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> its not a physical system, it is an information system that anyone could exploit. It would be like instead of keeping your resources in a safe somewhere, you keep your money in some sort of academic proof that if constructed incorrectly (by anyone, anywhere) will result in "theft". it is reasonable to expect the public to finance physical security through the police and justice sy<clipped message>

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> stem. it is infeasable to do the same for information systems

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> try and explain to any top gamer that the botnet on his machine causing a 50% fps drop due to stolen cpu cycles is not theft

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> You can't tell me what to do!

<i​dsfhuahjdnsf:nope.chat> the gamer should be more secure

<j​effro256:monero.social> To use a physical analogy: "How is armed robbery theft? Should have not had windows and shot me before I walked in with a gun...". I think cryptojacking can be both theft AND a good public incentive to raise security levels at the same time

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> "your computer is set up in a way that lets others use it, thus interfereing with your ability to run video games. if you don't want that to happen, you should invest some time and/or money into configuring it correctly instead of expecting everyone else to hunt down mysterious bad guys on the opposite side of the world from using your computer"

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> "also by having your computer set up this way, you are giving aforementioned bad guys more resources to control other computers and slow down the internet for everyone else"

<j​effro256:monero.social> Usually we don't view physical theft as an "incentive to raise security" since most thefts are physically isolated to a small area and are not reusable elsewhere. In other words, they hurt badly locally and nowhere else. If there was a way to physically steal all sofas remotely if the house did not adhere to a simple set of rules, then we could start making that argument. That's k<clipped message>

<j​effro256:monero.social> ind of what digital security is like for the most part: there are certain well defined rules of the game that if not followed, will allow for petty theft in a remote, cookie-cutter manner with high reusability and low cost and low risk. The existence of that threat makes it so that you are stupid if you do not follow those rules, regardless of whether we want to classify this as "<clipped message>

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<m​cneb10:envs.net> where are the mods?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> plowsof:

<p​reland:monero.social> I will say this: whenever talking about how botnets are bad for Monero, some people are incredibly quick to defend them. Kinda concerning to me if I’m being honest.

<p​reland:monero.social> Like they are being personally attacked or smth

My .bitmonero folder is a subvolume on a btrfs volume. Is there any reason I couldn't/shouldn't do snapshots of it to restore if my database gets corrupted so I don't have to sync again from scratch?

<j​effro256:monero.social> That's a good question for @hyc. I'd be interested to see the size of a diff after an LMDB resize

I was definitely curious if anyone had done it before, but I'll probably just test it myself. When does the LMDB resize?

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> My guess is they either are blackhats or just idolize blackhats

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Could you link to it?