Is the salmon offer a joke?

I cannoy imagine the logistics of it - it would go bad after travelling to his location)

It had to spend some time travelling to your store already.

Which DEXs do you recommend?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What do you need the dex for? Fiat or crypto<>crypto?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haveno for fiat, basicswap for crypto

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not including any dex that dont support xmr

ofrnxmr, fiat to crypto

With fiat, there us no such thing as trustless system

Haveno is as close as it gets

haveno-reto.com is a usable network

whats the difference between haveno.exchange and reto?

haveno.exchange doesnt run a network

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Makes the code, but doesn make the moniez

I see

Well, they kinda do, but only a test one, according to their website - with no real money involved.

a person or group of persons need to admister the network. Administer = set fee structures and arbitrate dusputes

Disputed*

-_- disputes**

There were 2 people listed on reto, does it have go

*is it effective?

it works, but you have to trust the arbitration and pay fees

It has human mediators for the trade disputes. Again, this is required due to fiat not being trustless / on-chain

The only other option for fiat is to go strictly p2p (no mediator), where you risk 100% loss if your trade partner decides to scam you

I understand the risk of no mediation

So reto has some kind of escrow?

Also, are there any p2p exchanges that are just a website? LIke hodlhodl?

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> yeah theres security deposits just like bisq

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> except that you use monreo instead of bitcoin for trades

thanks nihilist

I wish there could be a part for really small trades for the initial amounts with no escrow.

BlueyHealer, why do you wish that?

I mean, for people without any Monero onboarding could make easier, because for me Bisq was out of the question like this.

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> #getyourfirstxmr:monero.social

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> you can go in there aswell btw

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds like monerooutreach

is that getyourfirstxmr a matrix channel?

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> yeah

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> what about the second one

<a​mmortel:monero.social> I can't Grab the QR Code wich is on the ccs donate site of getmonero.org with the official monero GUI wallet last Version (0.18.3.4 Fluorine Fermi)

<a​mmortel:monero.social> Also tried with my monerujo wallet on Android and it doesn't work

There are open merges/issues to fix that, thanks for the reminder amortel, (we are going to point people to the working / more comprehensive donation page on -site)

<j​s:nil.im> Are there any rooms specific to trying to convince merchants to accept XMR?

<j​s:nil.im> I feel like I cannot spend my XMR anywhere, while I have plenty of places to spend my BTC

This is the broken QR page correct? ccs.getmonero.org/donate/index.html or the QR of something in funding required?

<j​s:nil.im> plowsof: QR code doesn't scan for me, nope.

The working QRs are here: getmonero.org/get-started/contributing

@j​s:nil.im moneromarket.io - xmrbazaar.com - monezon.com

<a​mmortel:monero.social> Yes that is the site I tried it on

@j​s:nil.im "plenty of places to spend my BTC" <--- why are you even spending your btc

Or eating your food ?

eating food is a scam (according to bitbigots)

<b​asses:matrix.org> any specific services that doesn't accept XMR?

<j​s:nil.im> I mean, bitrefill would already be a major win, given how many gift cards they have

<j​s:nil.im> they seem to take any shitcoin, but not Monero

there are many alternatives to bitrefill

<b​asses:matrix.org> there are many other options, did you consider them?

<j​s:nil.im> Because it's fun? You can always buy new ones 🙂

@js:nil.im is still a recovering from the brainwashing I suppose

<j​s:nil.im> They're not really options if you live outside the US

@j​s:nil.im have you checked: "moneromarket.io - xmrbazaar.com - monezon.com" ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I thought btc was “real estate”

cakepay.com <--- this can be another option afaik

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You dont sell your house to eat

@3​21bob321:monero.social turns out you /CAN/ live inside your btc

<b​asses:matrix.org> not coinsbee.com even? and trocador.app/en/giftcards

<j​s:nil.im> Of those I've only seen monezon and that seemed sketchy as hell. As in, I'm sure people use it to buy stuff with stolen credit cards and then take your Monero, while then the police comes knocking on your door.

@j​s:nil.im check cakepay bro

<j​s:nil.im> coinsbee I didn't know yet, thx. trocador seems to be just a reseller from coincards, given they have exactly the same cards

you are presented with many alternatives in this chat right now. I don't know what else to say to you

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Land squatting

<j​s:nil.im> coinsbee at least has steam, so at least there's a way to buy games with XMR then 🙂

"buy stuff with stolen credit cards and then take your Monero, while then the police comes knocking on your door." <--- you imagining things

@j​s:nil.im you can get steam gift cards from moneromarket.io easy. Used it before.

<j​s:nil.im> lol, but if I select my country, coinsbee has nothing at all anymore.

<j​s:nil.im> Luckily, Steam gift cards work internationally

<j​s:nil.im> ah no, I lied! it was just slow

<j​s:nil.im> yep. coinsbee seems to be what I was looking for, thx!

go for it

and never spend your btc

NEVER

it is going to bazillion tethers

even then you WONT spend

<j​s:nil.im> k​4r4b3y: I always buy back when I spend 🙂

scam

you should buy back and not spend

<j​s:nil.im> ah nice, coinsbee has gift cards for a local supermarket chain. I don't need to starve!

<b​asses:matrix.org> living cypherpunk lifestyle?

<j​s:nil.im> I just feel like if we ever want cryptocurrencies to get adoption (whether it's XMR or BTC), we need to use it rather than just hodl, so that other people see there's demand, get curious and also start looking into it.

heresy!

here lemme send you a 10 hour compilation of michale saylor shilling it on redpill podcasts

<j​s:nil.im> k​4r4b3y: *Nothing* can make the price go up as much than the entire world dropping fiat.

<j​s:nil.im> But that's not gonna happen if nobody uses it and everybody just hodls it

uhm.. sweaty; fiat is actually good. btc is for saving, fiat is for spending.

get on with the program

Where can I read about the block rewards of the several versions (e.g. v4, v5, ...)?

<m​mgen:monero.social> MMGen Wallet version 15.0.0 released:

<m​mgen:monero.social> github.com/mmgen/mmgen-wallet/releases/tag/v15.0.0

Block reward was twice as much till v2 (2016). AFAIK that was the only change. This was a side effect of doubling the block time and wanting to keep emission unchanged.

<a​mmortel:monero.social> Why do I have to wait Before I can use the monero I Just Received? Could it not be possible to have a confirmation of a transaction even Before it's added to a block? Like if we have proof that the transaction is valid and propagated enough

If you could do that, why bother with blocks ?

Blocks is the mechanism that creates "proof" that the transaction is valid and propagated enough.

<a​mmortel:monero.social> Can we at least have a confirmation after first Block? I am sitting for twelve minutes now

Confirmations are blocks, yes. N blocks mined since your tx == N confirmations.

If you mean "why aren't I allowed to spend before 10 confirmations", it's for reorg reasons.

<a​mmortel:monero.social> I mean that the wallet could Allow me to spend after one confirmation

Allowing this would create too high a chance that a reorg happens that would invlidate already mined transactions.

It's all rather subjective though, and 10 was chosen rather arbitrarily.

ie, you could have picked 9 and lived with a bit higher risk.

<a​mmortel:monero.social> I bybass this right? If I build the transaction myself and Don't rely on the Software

<a​mmortel:monero.social> I can*

It will rejected.

*be

Allowing it would be a chink through which an observer could attack people's privacy.

<a​mmortel:monero.social> How do they know my output is too Young if they Don't Know What Output I'm using?

They do not know your input is too young, but they know one of the inputs is too young.

That is, you are also forbidden from using fake outputs that are too young.

<a​mmortel:monero.social> I guess in FCMP you will have to prove that your output belongs to the ones that are not too Young also

Is is possible for monerod to struggle to find blocks from the network to complete the sync?

Yes.

In the past, and possibly now too, there was at least one asshole who ran nany nodes that pointed only to each other.

If you joined the network via one of these, you would not find other peers because they wouldn't tell you about them.

Even in the absence of such assholery, you could have bad connectivity. Or you could be really slow to downlad and time out.

Or you could just be unlucky and every node you try is offline or otherwise unable to peer with you.

This is more likely if you last used monero a while back, so your list of peers is old.

Another possibility is if you're using an old version of the monero software, which doesn't agree with the current consensus rules. You'd then likely reject newer blocks and fail to sync past a certain point in the chain past.

I have the latest/recent version

i had this issue when syncing over tor ^

Is there a bootstrap list of nodes to make sure it's not getting caught up in a bad nexus of nodes?

node got sybilled repeatedly at a certain block height. had to --add-exclusive-node to get passed it

monerod has a builtin list of seed nodes, which are presumed good. Those then send you a list of more current peers.

seed node share their own peers. use --enable-dns-blocklist to avoid some known sybils

ofrnxmr, is tor enabled by default? shall I disable it?

Oh, good point, thanks. I'd forgot about this.

no, tor is opt-in

It's not by default.

thanks

I'll try enable-dns-blocklist

use the `sync_info` command id you get stuck

there should be a list of peers > line that says mooooooooooo > list of queued batches of blocks

the mooooooo line will have chars like `_<` in it if you are stuck. `_` is "missing", `<` is "overlapping", "." is "downloading". m = next to sync, o = downloaded

ofrnxmr, lemme check

how many peers should I have right now, I have lifted the limit to a thousand, so how many would the network have?

Home a home system, dont really want more than 100 otherwise things get slow

but you might have anywhere from 12-100 typically

On* a home system

The network has like 20k

ofrnxmr, what's the bottleneck with more than 100 peers? cause none of the resource (cpu, mem, net) are being saturated at the moment

You receive and send the same data

notifying peers of new blocks, receiving txpool from peers etc, downloading and uploading, while reading and writing to the DB

I have about 200 peers at the moment and lots of queued ones.

200 peers? It will say at the top is sync info

yeah 196 to be precise

Its not "100", it depends on your system. Some ppl can handle 1000, some only 25 or so before noticable

But i'm only receiving at .5MB/s, which makes me suggest the node set I have is slow

no, why would it be?

What does sync info say about number of spans

And what does the mooooooo line say

loots of "o"s an a few "."

Paste..

488 spans

Paste the mooo

one moment

ty

Thank you

I dmed it to not text-wall the channel

The preload queue is 100 MB IIRC. So if it's downloaded 100 MB worth of blocks, it will pause download till some of that queue has finished verifying.

So more download will happen slowly as the queue drains. If this is your case, it suggests your bottleneck is either CPU or I/O. Almost certainly I/O.

You can check the %wa value at the top of top (second or third line of the output of the "top" program). More than 10% or so tells you it's waiting a lot on disk.

Theres nothing wronf with your peers

Mooo, the mooo line is mooooooooo[..] all downloaded and waiting sync

Moooo theres a bug with the preload, so it grows uncontrollably

Its fixed on stressnet

<b​oog900:monero.social> It's not sadly

Oh. OIK. Queue is 100 MB or 20 spans or whatever numbers.

Thanks for fixing.

In slmd edge cases, its fixed,boog

Not getting 1.5gb and 9000 spans anymore

Some*

<b​oog900:monero.social> it might have fixed an issue but it is still possible for the queue to grow beyond the limit

yes, i know

But not as easily as before

moneromooo, my i/o is idling most of the time and then has a write spike once every minute or so

are you using hdd?

Or ssd

ssd

set_log 1

You could try "sudo perf top" and wait a bit, see what gets logged as taking time, if it's CPU related.

It will sync a span/batch and say "N blocks/sec"

it set the log level, hasn't provided the span/batch and blocks/sec, should I "status"?

It will only do so when it's done the current span. Which is when you get that write spike.

Should print in yellow btw

thanks will keep an eye

meanwhile, anyone here on Nostr?

<0​xfffc:monero.social> I agree. It has been fixed in my experience for 99% cases. But there might be an extreme case as boog mentioned.

<j​s:nil.im> Ugh m-relay is so annoying. Why can't it use puppets like Heisenbridge? It's so annoying to follow any conversation and breaks tab-completion. It's just a giant blob of text, making you not want to read it at all.

and do I need to bother with the dns-blocklist then?

It shouldn't be a bother. Add it to args, and it's all there is. Protects against some assholes for free.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, you dont have any connectivity issues. You have consecutive blocks downloaded and rdy to be synced

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> id add the flag, especially if you dont use tx-proxy

can I enable it with a command to not stop the syncing?

I'm waiting for hte sync stats of log 1

<j​s:nil.im> Hm, ok, coinsbee doesn't seem to work. You go to checkout, select Monero, click next - blank page where there should probably be an iframe or something from their payment processor to show you a QR code.

<j​s:nil.im> Just says loading, then the spinner disappears and it's blank

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Browser?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cakepay uses btcpayserver, idk about coinsbee

<b​asses:matrix.org> enter email?

<j​s:nil.im> This is the step after entering e-maik

<j​s:nil.im> This is the step after entering e-mail

<j​s:nil.im> Maybe they block Tor

<b​asses:matrix.org> btw, as always try with low amount first so you know it is working

<j​s:nil.im> Yeah, that's what I did, but I didn't even get a QR code 😉

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> who the fuck is running the twitter

Elon?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i am going insane if i see another eXciTiNg thing

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/kSpQffZfqIeQdqWuAgHIkzZQ

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/EzyRcFAGoDkwzSVCeLtSXJTk

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/crpdNyLLRXoFunnnNgNBtAZs

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/ZfxFgXBkXAmFMGFDtVohNBiU

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/ZQQCgsceZyyziNvbhrLeimDa

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/LeedVnbpQilFtSLyCPxcfrSH

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/HBLBZcQJTEBUYjTwAaOZHekf

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/nfgVyjNaGbmURfUISLIUvPUJ

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/uNgXUsItqWHHSpgfUjnBAKZA

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and these are all within the last month

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is that schizophrenia?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sounds exciting

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nah, id like to imagine schizos have more variability

One could almost speculate that some AI took over that account and is doing duty now, with a proper level of excitement of course

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> one really needs to make a @monerofficial twitter account

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and be better than @monero

*monerounofficial

<d​aybreak:nitro.chat> I tried using basicswap but it doesn't show any trades for me, am I doing something wrong? At the time I thought it just meant basicswap was still in testing so I deleted it.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> rbrunner an ai would be better

Yeah, probably :)

At least a LLM. Yesterday's "chat bot" technology maybe not so much

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You have to wait for chains to sync

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It only shows offers for coins that you've enabled

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> there are offers up 👍

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If you use my management scripts, enabling coins us just `bsx-addcoin`

<d​aybreak:nitro.chat> Ooooh yeah that's what I was using I didn't realize I needed to do that lol

<d​aybreak:nitro.chat> Thabks

<d​aybreak:nitro.chat> Is basicswap or unstoppable swap currently better for bitcoin specifically it seems like efforts are being duplicated

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> f6a60087d02e9d7fde333b829b7289f89f2873bdaff775eef315b2d39497eb09 someone paid fee of 0.03172 XMR

<r​ucknium:monero.social> 0.03172 XMR is #5 in my classification: github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/t…ero-Nonstandard-Fees#tabulated-data

<r​ucknium:monero.social> It's nonstandard, but it happens a lot. I don't know who or what is producing those txs.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> They are about 0.3% of txs.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Basicswap rn. Unstoppable has more liquidity but poor fee handling and only 1 side can post offers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Basicswap lets you swap even btc <> ltc or ltc <> xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> its not really duplicated efforts. Unstoppableswaps ccs has a lot of items that basicswap already does

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> like a "maker gui". Every user of basically can post offers easily

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Basicswap even has a auto maker script that will repost your offers at set or dynamic exchange rates, and auto bid script that will check for and bid on swaps if they meet your requirements

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bsx requires user to run a node for both sides of the swap. Bsx uses internal full node wallets. bsx supports litecoin <> xmr swaps (both directions)