<crispycat:matrix.calitabby.com> i'm technically a zoomer but i don't get the zoomer culture at all <- I on't get some parts of it, such as short-form content. However, I am fully on board with some things, especially humor.

<m​alcolmz:matrix.thisisjoes.site> what's the best place to buy xmr for fiat now

haven-reto.com is seeing some good reviews.

haveno-reto.com

<b​asses:matrix.org> correct url

<b​asses:matrix.org> GNU/Morepheus

<m​alcolmz:matrix.thisisjoes.site> what's the difference between haveno and haveno-reto

Haveno is the protocol (the developers of which only have a test network without money involved), Haveno-reto is the actual usable network.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ones upstream

The market is downstream from the protocol.

<m​alcolmz:matrix.thisisjoes.site> which is the best option to put in cash

<m​alcolmz:matrix.thisisjoes.site> the list is extensive

Why does there need to be a particular someone running the network ? Is it not p2p/decentralized in the first place ?

(apologies if it's a FAQ)

seed nodes, arbitrator selection

fee structure and rates

moneromooo

Arbitrators aren't agreement between parties ?

(thanks)

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Hello, does anyone knows a good exchange that accept us businesses / citizens for monero? We already have one but are looking for a backup.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Hello, does anyone knows a good exchange that accept US businesses for monero? We already have one but are looking for a backup.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/tRLtZGQXjNqYVTIlHwSWMgEZ

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> There is no way

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Its over

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Besides kraken ;)

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Still working in the US 🤞but that's one of the reason we want an alternative.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Shitt

it was already delisted from like half europe

but rip

<s​iren:kernal.eu> nowpayments.io

<s​iren:kernal.eu> coinpayments.net

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Not sure if they accept US businesses but most likely they do

<h​bs:matrix.org> yep just saw that

<h​bs:matrix.org> 30 days left for a dip

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> I don't think those do offramp to fiat.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Nowpayments can land fiat via SEPA but you're based in US so hmm nowpayments.io/fiat

<t​sjk:bitcoinist.org> I'd be interested in alternatives in Europe.

<t​sjk:bitcoinist.org> Or, at least - accepting EU customers.-

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah my bad coinpayments can't convert to fiat

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Coinpayments seems to do sepa

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Interesting will check with them for us.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Interesting will check with them for US.

<t​sjk:bitcoinist.org> Ok, thanks. Gonna check them out.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> But we already have crypto payment gateway, maybe possible to just use them as an exchange.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> If anyone else have an suggestion let me know :)

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Nowpayments you mean?

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Yeah my bad.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> > <@tsjk:bitcoinist.org> I'd be interested in alternatives in Europe.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Nowpayments seems to do sepa

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> However their partner doing that switchere does not support monero. So not sure how it would work.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Any more options? I'd like to know too

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> However their partner doing that, switchere, does not support monero. So not sure how it would work.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Kraken for US.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Oh noooooooo. Then it basically doesn't support XMR.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> But I used it before and it has the ability to accept XMR, immediately convert to BTC or another currency. Then you can withdraw so it might still be useful.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> OK, nice.

<f​ullninja:matrix.org> I am banned on monero town

<f​ullninja:matrix.org> :(

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> These 4 last days have definitely been rich in social media ban.

What happened? You mean platform bans or individual dramas?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> invidivual dramas involving ban on multiple platforms

<c​t:xmr.mx> lmao what did you do?

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> redlib.nowhere.moe/r/Monero/comment…ts07p/kraken_delisting_monero_in_eu

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> Kraken delists xmr due to regulatory pressure

Monero is an old shitcoin that got its hype many years ago, and that will never get back to its heights, like all the other old shitcoins

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> It's meant to be used as a currency anyway lol

No crypto-"currency" is used as a currency so far

Apparently Bisq is now including a means to purchase your initial BTC for future trades... Hope Haveno does that too.

Juliu, take a look at monerica.com

BlueyHealer, oh common, you can't even buy a coke with Bitcoin on a Bitcoin convention. And even if you could, no one would do it

Even now, even with my low-sensitivity cases, I would never use a KYC exchanhe anyway, because I bet the info they collect is enough for someone to take a credit in your name in case this shit leaks)

And Monero is just some old shitcoin that's not hot anymore

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> Get your first XMR (Monero) in the meantime

In addition to that, all crypto-"currencies" are a hoax anyone

*anyway

Juliu, the wording makes it seem like you are a troll rather than someone looking for a genuine conversation. If not - in-person, there is cash anyway. Monero is cash for the online world. And it is indeed accepted in some online places, and has some genuine utility.

Plus xmrbazaar sells various physical goods for XMR)

BlueyHealer, how's what I say not true?

Cash is a hoax as well

Paypal is cash for the online world

... and I also don't like Paypal that much

Paypal is KYC, same as cards. No owning your money, transactions can be censored.

Okay, I regret replying. The wording makes me fully convinced this is a troll and shouldn't be further interacted with.

BlueyHealer, it's just for paying stuff online and works well ... unlike crypto

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> A low effort one at that

Why is everyone on Libera convinced people with slightly diverging opitions are trolls?

Millions of people use Paypay, and almost no one uses crypto to pay. It's a fact. Deal with it

annoyance

so easy to spew out shit and force others to have to see it

What are you seeing?

universe smiles upon encryption -- does it also smile upon spam?

It is not about diverging opiniond... Trolls are visible by their speech styles and thinking patterns.

Trolls are just sad people.

BlueyHealer, seems you are not used to people talking in a normala way

FCMP++ certainly will make a buzz

What is that?

Attention is the coin of the realm.

<f​ullninja:matrix.org> Nothing

<f​ullninja:matrix.org> I don't even have an account.

<f​ullninja:matrix.org> since the attack I can't access

Crypto is a hoax anyway

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Hi Digilol OU,

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Kraken continuously reviews listed tokens to determine the impact from regulatory changes on our offerings.

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> As one of the world’s largest cryptocurrency platforms, we are constantly working to support the most comprehensive set of digital assets possible in alignment with applicable regulatory and compliance obligations.

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> What’s changing?

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> After thorough consideration, and exploration of all viable alternatives, we concluded we have no choice but to delist Monero (XMR) in the European Economic Area (EEA) due to regulatory changes. 

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> We did not take this decision lightly and remain committed to providing our European clients with an exceptional trading experience.

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> ...

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Bunch of pussies. And couple months ago they were publicly making fun of Binance :D. Ps. There were no legal regulatory changes.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Holy shit batman

Bureacrats aren't hated enough.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> They are all talk, but when it comes to the crunch they fold like a house of cards

Monero better get that decentralized exchange action going.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Businesses wont die on the hill doe you

Otherwise its future's bleak.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> For*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Haveno needs to grow some monery transmitter balls

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or local haveno when?

I have some people asking me how to buy Monero easily and directly via credit card in my local Monero chatroom.

It's always a tough one to answer.

And every time it makes me wish it wasn't so.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Haveno add paypal recently

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Added*

Well, PayPal is banned in Turkiye, so..

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Support PayPal, CashApp, and Venmo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Haveno add paypal recently <<>> I hear that paypal has it's own crypto now

where is the guy that said crypto bad, paypal gud?

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> Who? That faggy reddit mod?

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> Who? That sperging reddit mod?

guy in this chat a short while ago "Millions of people use Paypay, and almost no one uses crypto to pay. It's a fact. Deal with it"

guess they needed attention

no idea what is happening on red it

<k​i9:gf4.pw> Last time I spent some xmr I mined, the transaction took forever because there were so many tx outputs or something like that.

<k​i9:gf4.pw> I am trying to "consolidate" the xmr from my mining address to a subaddress so I can make a quick spend later.

<k​i9:gf4.pw> The GUI wants a pretty high fee (3.20 usd) for this consolidation transaction. Are such fees normal with large numbers of tx outputs?

<k​i9:gf4.pw> I am using my own node so there should be no foul play.

A consolidation can be a large fee but that is a bit high. Make sure that you are using the lowest fee setting

<k​i9:gf4.pw> I just set it to "Slow (0.2x fee)" and it gave $3.16

<k​i9:gf4.pw> I tried "Normal (1x fee)" which was probably the default and now it shows $12.67!

<k​i9:gf4.pw> Maybe that's normal. It's 0.926xmr, all tiny p2pool payouts. I see 2380 transactions in my wallet and only one of them is xmr sent.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes. P2pool is very expensive to consolidate if youre a smaller miner

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0.0003xmr per payout and about 0.00001xmr per output to consolidate

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0.00001*2379*145=$3.44

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> `0.00001*2379*145=$3.44`

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> `<cost per output> * <number of outputs> * <price of xmr> = <cost to consolidate>`

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Each transaction can use a maximum of 100kb. Each output is ~650bytes + the outputs (so you start off with ~1.5kb for a 1 in 2 out tx + 98.5kb/0.650kb) = ~148 outputs per transaction

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Takes around 16 transactions (16* 100kb = 1.6mb) for you to spend those 2379 outputs.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If you would have solomined, youd have used >1.5mb's less chain space (94% less) and 14 less transactions

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ki9: im super curious. When you check your p2pool "blocks found", how many _monero_ blocks did you find 🍿

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I assume at least 1 🤠

<k​i9:gf4.pw> 1 and I am very proud.

<k​i9:gf4.pw> My 8-core daily driver found it. I pool with a friend and he used his uni's cs dept. computers and was providing like 95% of our hashrate. But my little pc found tha block. 😝

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> youve already banked 50% of your second block. If i was you, id solomine for at least 50% of the time needed to find another block

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can pool hashrate the same way by using xmrig-proxy

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Btw. The fee levels are auto > slow normal > unneeded > so on and so forth

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0 (aka auto) defaults to slow if the txpool is not congested