<a​mmortel:monero.social> 😅

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> nothing? wdym?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Welfare check

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Markets was spammed for a long time w/o any resistance afaik

<3​21bob321:monero.social> It was a matrix server load test

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And we pasted!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Passed*

Just read that yesterday some people reported problems with the "Monero Dev" Matrix room

I have also problems in Element in Chrome: The room stopped to update some time yesterday and hasn't recovered so far.

Wanted to leave and re-join, only to be greeted by a warning that I would need an invite to re-join, so refrained from doing so

(as a way to hopefully force refresh, and/or getting it to work again)

Ah, no, it stopped already to update Wednesday

<3​21bob321:monero.social> just open the rooms and have a proper bot and take it like a man. Locking them does nothing trust me

Idk why theyre locked

All that says is that some 12 year old won

The guy literally told me directly that his goal was goal was to force us to make all rooms invite-only

<3​21bob321:monero.social> exactly

none of the rooms that i mod/admin are invite-only. Thats a nice stop-gap for when things get out of hand or youre busy, but its a non-solution

Anyone who thinks that its ok to have rooms locks down for weeks, doesnt understand that there are only 52 weeks in a year. That is a lot of potential loss of productivity by excluding outsiders from contributing

Diego

Open her up

<3​21bob321:monero.social> thats what she said

<b​asses:matrix.org> ofrnxmr

<a​surar0:monero.social> <rbrunner> We seems to experience the exact same issue. If the moderator kick don't work, I will make an IRC account.

what hashrate level is not worth solomining?

"what hashrate level is not worth solomining?" <--- you should answer that on your own, as it depends on your subjective preferences around cost vs. benefit

k4r4b3y, yeah. Just wondering at which point one is basically not going to get a reward, even if there is a non 0 chance

Hi, I have never bought any cryptocurrency before. Can monero viably be used as normal currency for purchases of less than 100usd. Like if I want to buy something for maybe just 10usd worth of monero. Does it make any sense to use it like that?

Yeah, absolutely, I do that. The fees are very small.

Hmmm okay

meidam: yes you can use Monero to make small purchases

I regularly use XMR to pay for my 3 bucks VPS bills

I don't remember how much, either cents or fractions of them. Just a sum you don't notice.

3 bucks? Where do you get such a VPS? Seems like everyone accepting XMR raised their prices... That's cool.

kyun.host

get a danbo

Ah.

I have considered if it made sense to try buying crypto currency to use as money and Monero is the one that find myself most interested in. I might be a bit influenced by the youtuber mental outlaw in that regard

they give you 10 percent discount when you pay with xmr

How is the experience? Are they reliable?

meidam: mental outlaw is cool

BlueyHealer: kyun works for me

I host karapara.kyun.li on there

meidam, yeah, right now Monero is the main one used as a currency, LTC might be more widespread but it doesn't have the privacy protections.

k4r4b3y, okay, TIL!

Could be cool trying to use xmr to pay for mullvad vpn instead of using paypal, like I do now

LTC is an onboarding coin into XMR.

XMR is the real deal.

k4r4b3y, that too, but I thought more about all the services not accepting XMR.

XMR is widespread but not as widespread as it could be.

Like some domain registrars (although I paid for mine in XMR too). You can find these for XMR but it is just not as common.

meidam, good luck with this!

There does seem to be a lot to get into before buying anything... Like all the wallets and exchanges and stuff...

It's of course good to have a good password and 2fa, but it's not like you also need to use a vpn everytime you use it, right?

Well, there has recently been a leak of a video about how Monero gets traced, and a large part in that were KYC exchanges cooperating with the tracing company, as well as compromised nodes. So yeah, if you use a remote node, it would be a good idea to use an .onion one.

<b​asses:matrix.org> but he says a lot of misinfo

How much money would you have in monero at a time?

as much as possible

<b​asses:matrix.org> monero.garden/1-manual-for-users/get_started

<b​asses:matrix.org> good guide

basses, haven't watched him, what misinfo?

BlueyHealer: you can watch it here: vimeo.com/1009284260

<b​asses:matrix.org> VPN -> Tor is bad

<b​asses:matrix.org> and discuss.grapheneos.org/d/16334-ment…aw-shilling-false-cybernews-article

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Wrong

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Tor foundation even had to make an issue about it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> On gitlab

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It doesn't worsen your opsec but just don't improve it either

<b​asses:matrix.org> ik, check privacyguides.org/en/advanced/tor-overview/#safely-connecting-to-tor

<b​asses:matrix.org> it does

<b​asses:matrix.org> improve your opsec

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Oh my bad i misread

<b​asses:matrix.org> np, it is not Tor over Vpn

<3​21bob321:monero.social> gitlab.torproject.org/legacy/trac/-/wikis/doc/TorPlusVPN

So you saying that tor over vpn is not bad?

Thanks for the link to the get started with monero thing btw, basses

<b​asses:matrix.org> np, it is not vpn over tor

syntheticbird, I am still figuring out if it introduces weak points. Because a VPN (like a VLESS setup) might be more stable than a bridge so would make sense to use it.

<b​asses:matrix.org> vpn over tor is bad, I just made the same mistake as Syn lol

VPN over Tor? Not sure how you would even do so but I guess it does have a usecase, as long as i

it is strictly one VPN per identity. Just for services that block Tor.

<b​asses:matrix.org> that's why I say VPN -> Tor to not confuse myself and readers

Yeah.

Right now it has been a while of me using the same bridge, but sometimes I go through multiples of them in a short period.

<b​asses:matrix.org> SyntheticBird sorry I edited it. connecting to Tor then VPN is bad

Yeah, just still figuring out if it introduces *extra* risk if it is not for OPSEC but just because your ISP is obnoxious about blocking Tor. Not bad here but, say, in China?

I think I do okay with being private. At least better than some. But I am probably terrible compared to you guys

<b​asses:matrix.org> have you read the privacyguides link I sent earlier?

meidam, nah, I am a noob myself.

basses, ah, now see that. Missed it.

<b​asses:matrix.org> if you read privacyguides you probably covered 80% of privacy topics, hand out around more in their room or grapheneos room then you will have avery great knowledge

<b​asses:matrix.org> hang out*

<b​asses:matrix.org> everyone please switch to matrix so I can edit messages without it becoming irritating in IRC 😭

Nah, it is fine)

Understandable at least.

<b​asses:matrix.org> ok good

I borked my Matrix server so now thinking about switching to Synapse, but I have 1 gig RAM total plus the same Swap, so idk how it would work out.

I have a matrix account, but where do I find you, basses?

(used to use Conduit)

I barely use matrix these days...

I prefer IRC because a bouncer is lighter and doesn't eat up disk space.

I use element as a client. Do you guys have any other client recommendation for matrix?

<b​asses:matrix.org> join this room on matrix

meidam, I use Cinny because not Electron.

<b​asses:matrix.org> Nheko for efficiency

<b​asses:matrix.org> Element have the best UI tho

Matrix seems to load messages slowly. But that might be because I have been using element, idk

<b​asses:matrix.org> nheko is fast

<b​asses:matrix.org> built with Qt C++

I use weechat for IRC and am pretty sure that it has a matrix plugin, but I haven't figured out how to install it

Has also been a while since I tried

Yeah, that too! Switched when I thought Nheko was causing problems but it was apparently just me messing up the server.

<b​asses:matrix.org> wtf why is it so good? pod.xmr.fan/pod/2024-10-11

<d​etherminal:monero.social> Can someone give me the link of price chat for Monero in Matrix?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #monero-markets:monero.social

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm still banned there. Smh

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have been trying to replicate this using docker networking

And what is the monero version of this channel?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It was a good bit of software I’m not yet sure why it’s considered legacy

I mean matrix version

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Monero Markets

<d​etherminal:monero.social> Says I am not invited to this room, interesting.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Now you are. 😉

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I can’t imagine what it’s like in that room

<d​etherminal:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/KSwZbuwSyODlrhNOLBXcnduG

<d​etherminal:monero.social> Fuck Matrix.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Crypto bros with their ands all over eachothers asses selling their new trading bot method

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Crypto bros with their hands all over eachothers asses selling their new trading bot method

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Where was my ping? Don't have the time right now to scroll up to find.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Same just happened to me, probably matrix home server

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Your boss pinged you. Diego Salazar

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> He gave you his new order. 😂😂

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> You can use the search future in public (not E2EE) rooms.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> You can use the search feature in public (not E2EE) rooms.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ah

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The invite-only is definitely not intended to be a permanent thing.

mweb for ltc in stackwallet wen

cakewallet seems to have it 👀

There are too many wallets...

meidam: if you are a newcomer, I recommend feaether wallet on desktop

hmmm okay

Second that.

start here: karapara.kyun.li/wiki/feather-wallet

I have to get it through tor?

No, you don't have to. Depends on your opsec requirements :)

And I can even use the wallet through at tor bridge? huh

opsec requirements? As in what I want to use my monero on? rbrunner. I know what opsec is, I am not questioning that

I use Tor for mine just because surveillance like shown in the Chainalysis vid is passive, it doesn't subtract from anything anyway.

meidam, yeah. In the torrc file, you can set a bridge option.

I understood "get it" as "how to download Feather Wallet for installing it". Maybe you don't want anybody to know you got the binary.

Tor is also blocked for direct access for you?

BlueyHealer: Can I use feather wallet with a tor bridge on my bare metal linux machine and browse the clear web at the same time on a normal browser, without it being a viability?

The file is small anyway, I'd do it through Tor anyway just to leave less of a trace.

Yes, that is how I meant it, rbrunner

meidam, yeah, system Tor can work in parallel with normal browsing.

Okay, BlueyHealer

And here we are talking about it on IRC. That does leave leave a trace, I'd say. I am not using IRC with a vpn....

Or through tor, if that's even possible

Yeah, IRC is pretty much public, even the message of the day says "People can & do log this channel".

Through Tor - some networks are fine, but Libera needs prior registration.

Yes. I even talk on Matrix, imagine that. Because "leaving traces" is, in my particular case, acceptable. Your mileage may vary :)

tor.stackexchange.com/questions/392…how-do-i-add-obfs3-bridges-in-torrc - the question is old, now the bridges are obfs4 (plus snowflake/meek/webtunnel), but the overall syntax is still like this.

Wait, more like ClientTransportPlugin obfs4 exec /usr/bin/obfs4proxy managed, yeah. And brodges are "Bridge <copypaste the received one>".

rbrunner: It's also pretty much okay for me I'd say

BlueyHealer, I have no idea where to find bridges to use. Or anything about changing them regularly or whatever. But maybe that website has guides on that as well

Also, you can get them right in your Tor Browser.

Plus there are some other methods of getting them - tb-manual.torproject.org/bridges

I tried something with bridges on tails I think. But I feel like they maybe didn't work

I don't remember

Yeah, bridges stop working a lot. I have been using the same one for a while but know it's luck - there are times when you have to go through multiple of them in a short period. Blocking them is an ongoing effort.

Just wonder: can you access Tor normally?

I always feel like one shouldn't just use the tor browser on bare metal. Like it should either be on tails os on a usb or on a vm. maybe even whonix vm. I have used a whonix vm before

Depends on activity. I use Tor for low-sensitivity one-time lookups so I have it on bare metal. But if you're at least somewhat fearful - yeah, Tails or Whonix makes sense.

But that's just what it feels like from what I think I've heard. I don't know if there are ways of using it on bare metal that are safe

hmm okay

Again - depends on what you're doing in said Tor Browser)

Also, you can use Tor Browser as a proxy instead of system Tor if you want bridges more easily.

okay

Hi guys

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Hi Juliu

Hey kewbit, what's new?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Tbh a lot, if you thinking in the space of haveno

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Tbh a lot, if your thinking in the space of haveno

What is haveno?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> :O have you not heard? It’s the best way to exchange fiat for XMR in the entire world

I don't have any XMRs

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That’s a shame

Don't know

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You have other crypto?

Not anymore. I had to sell it all

Hi as2333

hey Juliu

What's new?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I want it in, yeah. We'll look into it soon.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Point towards mods

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I blame Matrix, Python and Israel.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> more Zcash than Israel tbh.

python is tolerable

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you meant intolerable.

compared to the other two things you mentioned, python is perfection

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Ah as2333, you have a shit take but you're speaking to my sentiments. I can only agree on this one.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> s/shit take/bad take

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not shit, its a bad word.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Electric coin company really funded so many open source projects its shocking.

Any that aren't a scam?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Arti? (Tor rust implementation)

How's Tor not a scam?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If there is an intellectual humanoids in here that have successfully setup a macOS virtual box VM on an Ubuntu desktop host, I would love to hear from you!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> AMD processor

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Juliu pure opinion on that. I still find Tor useful these days

That doesn't answer my question

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and relatively sound.

sound?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yeah like, the protocol and implementation make sense. The tor foundation may be a scam but the Tor project/Tor software make sense and is useful is what I'm trying to convey

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> kewbit: good luck.

How is cryptography sound? I don't hear anything

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Definition of sound:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Based on valid reasoning; having no logical flaws: synonym: valid.

Cryptography isn't based on anything except for wrong assumptions

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> pardon me

Which part should I pardon?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> last sentence you just said. I don't understand.

How can I pardon you for what I said? That makes no sense

What don't you understand?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Juliu

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> pardon me meaning:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > (US) Polite expression to get someone to repeat.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you says: Cryptography isn't based on anything. Unless if it contains wrong assumptions?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> s/> you/you/

Actually I said

Cryptography isn't based on anything except for wrong assumptions

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes Juliu but that sentence is ambiguous. I see two meanings:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - Cryptography isn't based on anything. Unless if it contains wrong assumptions.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - Cryptography isn't based on anything but wrong assumptions.

Meaning that the only thing cryptography is based on is wrong assumptions, which is pretty much as good as being based on nothing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ah ok

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> well I disagree

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> completely

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what do you call wrong assumptions?

You can, but at least you have to admit that it's based on unproven assumptions, since this is a fact

Wanna hear some of the unproven and likely wrong assumption that for example Bitcoin is based on?

*assumptionS

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no i don't care. Enlight me dear Juliu on what wrong assumptions are cryptography based upon?

So what is it, wanting to be enlightened or not caring?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> enlightened on your seemingly very straight opinion on the theory. While not caring that much about implementation tomfooleries.

Ok, here's 4 unproven assumptions that Bitcoin is based on, and that I consider likely wrong:

P is not NP

One-was functions exist

Cryptographic one-way functions exist

SHA256 is a cryptographic one-way function

my life is based on unproven assumption yet here I am

nioCat, sure, but no one claimed you to be safe and proven

nothing is safe, heat death is coming

There's even more assumptions, like something about strong cryptographic one-way functions, I think. And about how we choose our primes for integer factorization, or probably also something equivalent for elliptic curves

one-way functions exist de facto - otherwise you should be able to easily compute the invereses - but you obviously can't.

nioCat, no, heat death is a scam as well

as2333, yes, you can easily compute the inverse

go ahead then Juliu - and send me some of the 'profits'

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Dear Juliu, these are not even assumptions cryptography is based upon. The whole model of a cryptosystem is based on the computational ability of an attacker. On which we formally verify that one cannot break in polynomial time using any probabilistic algorithm respecting some conditions. What you're saying is: *We're going to find a solution to break it at some point. So it is in<clipped message>

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> secure.* NO JOKE JULIU. THAT'S THE WHOLE CONCEPT. THAT ISN'T WHAT CRYPTOGRAPHY IS SUPPOSED TO RESOLVE.

nioCat, if you're interested in that topic, I suggest you listen to what Roger Penrose has to say about the "big bang" and the "heat death of the universe"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> The only wrong assumption here is thinking a cryptosystem will never be break.

why, everyone is incorrect

syntheticbird, if you had proven that, you'd get a million dollars since it's one of the unsolved Millennium Prize problems. Please think again!

nioCat, that's life. Most people are wrong

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tf are you talking about. Juliu I'm not even trying to explain P=NP problem.

which is why I follow Cat

synth, I can write a program to break SHA256 in just 1 line of code

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Juliu are you on drugs?

Juliu and if you can easily compute discrete logs or whatever you'd get a 'prize' of trillions so, again, do it and send us some free money.

synth, crypto systems requiring a superexponential time to be broken on average requires P to be unequal NP. P = NP would automatically mean that no crypto system works

also I stopped listening to roger long ago

I'm never on drugs. I just know what I'm talking about

you obviously don't

nioCat, why's that? He has some nice ideas

as2333, it's not my fault you guys can't read. I mean, go to the fucking wikipedia article on one-way functions. In the top right corner there's a fat box telling us right away that their existence is an unsolved problem

Julius water torture begins with "Hi"... starts getting unbearable when "P=NP" is mentioned, and then im begging for it to stop when the R word is mentioned

copypasting wikimierda - trolling can't any more stupid than that

plowsof, I haven't even started telling that that electricity does not flow in circles, that gravity is an illusion, or that we're living in an ice age since over 100k years

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Ok Juliu, so for you: We've not yet proven that P=/=NP so any cryptosystem is broken. That is stupid. We've also not yet proven that P=NP, so there is no wrong assumptions yet.

ok now that stuff sounds interesting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> unproven and wrong doesn't mean the same thing.

synth, you haven't proven that P != NP, that one-way functions exist, that SHA256 is a cryptographic one-way function, that the way you choose primes is a good idea, or any other of the many unproved assumptions that Bitcoin and all that cryptography hoax is based on

Yes, unproven and wrong is not the same. Which is why I corrected myself from "wrong" down to "unproven (and likely wrong)"

At least you have to admit it's all unproven fuckery and not one bit mathematical

plowsof, it's fun torturing people by telling the truth all the time. You should try it. They're going nuts

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> zamn

Remember when they all thought that Earth was flat, and then someone came and disproved it? Me neither, since this never happened

as2333, who is the real troll: The guy who says that P vs NP isn't proven either way, or they guy who constantly acts as if P != NP was a proven fact?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> assumption is a key word here

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I won't say anything else

Yes, crypto is based on many unproven assumptions, all of which could be untrue

If they say that crypto doesn't require trust, that's a lie. It requires 100% trust in unproven bullshittery

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> recanman: don't say that. Please let him digging his own grave.

synth, you're digging your own, putting money on unproven and likely not-working tech that's not backed by anything

recanman, why is it that so many people don't know that we're living in an ice age?

I mean, looking at a globe, what do they think the white parts are?

someone mentioned drugs

syntheticbird, wanna talk about even more over the top things like how programming languages are all completely wrong, but we're so used to it that we can't even see it?

Drugs are for losers

Cat has just been nipped

Cats are ... well nice, I have to say. Fuck. Can't be grumpy about cats

#GrumpyCat

recanman, what's your take on my last topic? (not the cat one)

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Wrong in what sense? Any program can represent an expression in the Lambda calculus

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> in most languages

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I love Lisp

recanman, wrong in the sense that we're telling a computer what to do. This is inherently wrong. We should tell the computer what the output of our program should look like, not how to get it. How to get it is a computation that a computer can do better than we can

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> that will pretty much be impossible to achieve for any program

Writing programs is dumb. Programs should be calculated

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> every*

recanman, why do you think that?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I get what you're saying, but I don't believe that humans have the ability to invent something that can apply this principle universallyu

recanman, I'm not 100% sure, but I think an efficient SAT-solver could also solve this problem efficiently

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> We'll see, I guess

Theorem proving is an NP-complete problem, I think

If xmrig says "dev donate started/inished" does that mean I got a pay out?

recanman, creating optimal songs or videogames or music is also an NP-complete problem, I think. We just have to find a desirable evaluation-function

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> orbifx there is a built-in time slice of like 2% of your mining that is dedicated to a mining for the xmrig developer. So during this 2% time frame any share will be for the xmrig devs and not you.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its what this message is saying.

Although I'm not 100% sure about it, since playing optimal chess is definitely not NP-complete, but harder :(

syntheticbird, thanks, so in that time if there was a payout, they'd get that?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> orbifx. afaik yes

thanks

recanman, are you interested in some really weird mindfuckery that could actually happen?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Not sure

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Juliu trying not sperging about how life is meaningless and that he have the answers challenge:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (Difficulty: IMPOSSIBLE)

recanman, let's give it a try: Imagine someone invented an efficient SAT-solver. We could use it to create programs with it. A program that efficiently solves SAT-problems for example. So as compilers are compiled in themselves, an efficient SAT-solver could be solved in itself. But what would this look like to people in the future? Wouldn't they ask themselves how the very first efficient SAT-solver ever started existing? It's

pretty much an NP-hard bootstrap paradox

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Definition for the curious:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > To wax obsessive on a subject of interest. Often to the point of annoying those around you.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Definition of wax:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > A highly concentrated form of THC

synth, let me quote a wise man: "Nothing exists."

Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Not sure, maybe

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> A little

recanman, why do I constantly have to think about shit like that? Pretty much 99.99999% of humanity can't even understand what I'm talking about

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I feel the same way

Nice. Want to share any thoughts?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It comes to me at times. The only resolution is to find others with common interests

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Not really, you've articulated it well

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Truth.

recanman, I mean some of your ideas. What are your interests?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> My primary

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> (sorry, cat stepped on enter key)

synth, truth only exists within a given axiomatic system and the same statement might not evaluate the same in different axiomatic systems. You could say that truth is relative and no objective truth exists, which includes this sentence

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> My primary interest is in distributed systems and security. 'Hobbies' are mainly RF, PCB design, cryptography, philosophy

recanman, your cat knows when to intervene :)

recanman, well, cryptography is a scam. But distributed systems rise an interesting question. Are you familiar with NC vs P ?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> No

recanman, well, P is the class of all decision-problems that we can decide in time exponential in the input-size. Stuff like sorting, solving a Rubic's Cube, ... pretty much all the algos we use. We generally consider this as efficient (even though n^2 might already be too slow for large problem instances)

NC is all the problems that can be parallelized efficiently

If NC is equal to P, this would mean that we could parallelize all common everyday algos efficiently

By efficiently parallelize I mean needing only O(poly(log n)) time when using O(poly n) computers in parallel

recanman, isn't that somewhat connected to distributed systems?

recanman? God, why do they all fall asleep?

What's wrong with all you guys?

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Hey man chill out. I’m not sure who here specifically thinks currently established cryptographic protocols can’t be broken . But I don’t think anyone has said they think that here yet.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> For the time being they have an application until we evidently get pwned.

I said it. And I'm not sure if the people in here think

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We do and we disagree.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Feel free to judge us.

I doubt that

Will do

I conject that P=NP for the same reason L=NL and NC=P

Btw, I think most crypto-holders (maybe except for Bitcoin) will get rekt pretty soon, but for a completely different reason

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> You might end up being right but if people using cryptography accept the implied risks of that then what’s point in complaining to us about it here

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> You might end up being right but if people using cryptography accept the implied risks of that then what’s point in complaining to us about it here?

Juliu what do you think about academic fucktards babblign about pseudo 'theories of everything'?

I complained to recanman for starting a conversation and then going AFK in the middle

as2333, I'm not quite sure what you're talking about

Juliu get a mirror

?

At least make me understand your insults

hardhatter, what's you take on parallelization of algorithms and on distributed computing?

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> If he doesn’t want to respond promptly or at all then you should just accept that instead of complaining about it. He doesn’t have an obligation to.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I’ll continue the convo in monero-offtopic

I know that he doesn't, other than having manners and honor

Monero-offtopic is the only channel where you have to be registered, which absolutely makes no sense. So I'm not in there

*only Monero channel

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> plowsof: can something be done about that

Juliu that was a temp measure for spam, apologies, will remove that now, thanks for ping hardhatter

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> :)

plowsof, no problem, for me it doesn't have to be offtopic

It seems to work now

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> We somewhat aim atleast to talk about things directly related monero on this channel. So it’s polite to try to move to monero-offtopic when it’s not directly related when starting a new conversational topic.

I'm still waiting for you to continue the conversation on Offtopic, as you said

See, that's why going to the "right" channels sucks. It just never works

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I was thinking about a response to give you. Have a little patience man haha. I said hey

I don't like patience. People who say it's a virtue are idiots

Where is the bounties room?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Sorry, had to go

#monero-dev

recanman, you missed my answer. See above

kemosabe, Monero bounties?

Mochi101, why are you here? Go away :)

Like, for a bug?

who runs monero.town?

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Me

<-​coffeeplease-:monero.social> matrix.to/#/#monero-bounties:monero.social

<k​i9:gf4.pw> Who runs haveno.markets?