"Run ./xmrig -o 127.0.0.1:3333. Note that you don't need to specify wallet address for xmrig. Wallet address set in xmrig config will be ignored!"

if xmrig doesn't have my wallet address

then how does it know work?

<j​effro256:monero.social> Are you running p2pool?

<j​effro256:monero.social> The p2pool daemon interacts with the other p2pool participants, constructing blocks with your wallet address when its your turn to get a share

<j​effro256:monero.social> Xmrig is just a mining tool, it doesn't sync with the network and make blocks

<j​effro256:monero.social> It simply downloads the block templates from p2pool, adjusts nonces until the PoW result hits a certain difficulty target, and then returns it back to the p2pool daemon

<j​effro256:monero.social> Notice that you have you provide your wallet address to the p2pool daemon with the `--wallet` flag

<j​effro256:monero.social> Maybe try asking in #haveno-lounge:monero.social

<b​asses:matrix.org> discuss.privacyguides.net/t/trusted-monero-remote-nodes/21444

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fake nees

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> News

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Current guidance is here

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > I recommend to stop using 3rd party remote nodes immediately. Run your own node instead. If you can't avoid using a 3rd party node, make sure you trust the node operator.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/134jbd…_advisory_new_attack_from_malicious

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 205GB+ for a full node or 80GB+ *

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> >Given these two things, I think we should compile a list of recommended remote nodes to use alongside your Monero wallet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> providing a public list of nodes just opens the door for a public list of node traffic to watch.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No wallet aside from CLI have ssl pinning, so you can forget about trusting your connection to any remote node

<k​evino:tchncs.de> fyi pruned nodes gives same level of privacy as a full node. So don't let storage be a reason to not to run one

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I2p, onion and ssh port forwarded nodes are the only secure method of connecting to your own node remotely

<k​evino:tchncs.de> fyi pruned nodes gives same level of privacy as a full node. So don't let storage be an excuse to not to run one

<k​evino:tchncs.de> can the remote node also see our utxos balance ? which happens in case of other chains

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, not your balances

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Noo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I have lollies

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Not at all

<3​21bob321:monero.social> “Secondly, while Monero people would love it if everyone ran their own independent node to mitigate this problem,”

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Would make plowsof happy

letsencrypt makes running an https node very easy, I use caddy to run a front end for my node, then just copy over the certificate to my monero node. I created a custom script to inotifywait the letsencrypt certificate and automatically copy over the cert and restart my moneronode.

<ofrnxmr:monero.social> No wallet aside from CLI have ssl pinning, so you can forget about trusting your connection to any remote node <- But .onion nodes don't even have SSL, so that solves it.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Onion and i2pd nodes are e2e encrypted and dont need ssl

ofrnxmr, there's no reason to assume that SSL is safe

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You need a domain, dont you @waywardson

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yep

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Juliu, i never said it was, i said the opposite

I thought that was irony

yes, you need a domain. either pay for a domain or get a free on a freedns.org

you can get free subdomains...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and wayward, your letsencrypt connection can be MITM'd and my wallet wont know the difference

On the other hand, if you assume SSL to be unsafe, why not directly assume your crypto doesn't work?

freedns.afraid.org i meant

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ?, ssl certs are centralized as are domains

If your wallet uses SSL, which the cli one does

your connection will be sure. All you have to do is type the https address in a browser and you'll know if your isp blocking a connection

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cli does, but (as said before) _no_ other wallets have ssl pinning

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theyll silently accept a self signed cert

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> The centralized authority can MITM

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And monerod issues self signed certs by default

If you can't trust your DNS-host, how do you know your bank is actually your bank?

I trust cloudflare lol

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It really is much easier to just make your node available over Tor

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> That's a really dumb thing to do

I'm quite certain all trust is unjustified, and that they're all working together with the CIA

or the gui wallet should be updated to authenticate SSL

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because youre using a browser that checks the certs against a centralized authority

yes, your browser and operating system comes installed with trusted roots certificates

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> waywardson, how? Self-signed certs are used for encryption, but they are not assigned by an authority

I use a lets encrypt certificate

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> We would need a certificate authority that is trusted by the system that can be issued by another central authority?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you need a (rented) domain for that

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Right, but not all users may have domains

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> ^

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Users want it to 'just werk'

ofrnxmr, how do you know mybank.com being mapped to 123.123.123.123 should not actually map to 231.231.231.231 ?

DNSSEC

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> DNSSEC Juliu

Both will have certs, both will look valid to you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> +1 :D lol

ofrnxmr, yeah, exactly. And if using remote - I don't see a reason not to use an .onion. Maybe if the ISPs have been especially nasty about blocking bridges, but this has not happened yet.

can a node be on both tor and public net

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> No, malicious one will not have certs that are from a valid CA

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> DNSSEC

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes wayward

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Sure waywardson

waywardson, yes

Obviously for p2p traffic and syncing with the blockchain tor would be too slow

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Unless they compromised the private keys/have full control of DNS+other challenges, no

but for rpc tor is fast enough

recanman, it's a centralized system. They can likely manipulate it as they want

That system does not have cross-checking, as far as I know. It's a pure hierarchy

as for i2p, I believe many isps will get mad at you for doing i2p traffic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Running i2p or onion for rpc is dead simple

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> certificate authorities? Yes. Literally in the term, AUTHORITY

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and free

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ive been running my i2p router for years

waywardson, there have been instances when people got in trouble for i2p?

but simply using tor, most isps won't care

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> How come waywardson?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can disable transit on i2p if you want

recanman, well, it could probably be solved differently. Decentralized. With more than just one higher instance having to very the cert

some VPS hoster will not allow you to connect to other i2p traffic, or disallow proxying in their rules

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But i only disable transit on mobibe

but as I said, simplying connect to a tor entry node would be fine.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Wayward? Lol, making stuff up now, are we

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Sure, I guess, Juliu, but that is not how it is now, and it will most definitely not change

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Vps cant stop you from connecting to other i2p traffic. Thats nonsense

recanman, because the powers that are do not have a motivation to improve anything

no, my hosting contract says I cannot use my node for proxying like tor or acting as a public vpn

they know you are connected to other i2p peers

by ip

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> CAs are generally not seen as a deficit\ by most

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I thought you meant residential ISP waywardson

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Again, you can `disable transit` on i2p very easily

Cryptography is just hoaxary anyway

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> translation: Math is fake. Thanks julio

I'm using a commercial hosting provider in the US

ofrnxmr, cryptography is not based on math

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> so am i

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> is general p2p traffic allowed waywardson?

there rules are no proxying traffic.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cryptography is based on what, julio? Biology?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> As ofrn said, disable transit

anyway, as I said, connecting to a tor open node is not an issue

yea, I would just disable i2p

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Wayward, what are you using, adobe's free tier vps or smthn? Lok

Connecting to a Tor open node is an issue, they're BLOCKED!

ofrnxmr, cryptography is based on obfuscation, on unproven assumptions, and mostly on the ignorance and trust of the people using it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Disabkle transit* not disable i2p

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yeah, who is your hosting provider waywardson? Lol?

Only a bridge.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cryptography is based on math, julio. Smh

see if I gave away my hosting provider then you would all know what public node I am kek

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> He is trying to say that it is based on unproven assumptions, which makes it a hoax

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Well, I suggest you switch, because your provider seems to suck

ofrnxmr, there is not a single mathematical proof that any crypto system works. Not one

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> it is a hoax. I am satoshi, and fluffypony is monero's ceo

Monero has a CEO?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Let me guess, the earth is flat too, yeah?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Juliu, I'm in the running for it

I also run a public node on my home isp as well

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes monero has a ceo, and yes i am satoshi

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> vote for me

ofrnxmr, as I said above, you are just demonstrating your ignorance and trust

I could use i2p for that

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> We are just joking, there is no CEO

recanman, I know

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can use i2p to forward TO your vps from home if youd like

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm not joking.

ofrnxmr, please link me to a proof for a working crypto system. Just one. I don't even care which one

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You really believe monero is decentralized? Its not. Its built by feds, and it has a ceo. Also a premine, and an inflation bug

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its all fake

Such a proof would also proof P != NP and make me win a million dollars :D

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre all naive

most money is fake debt anyway

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Signed, juliu

ofrnxmr, not all. recanman knows what I'm saying is true

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #mathIsFakeNews

Cryptography is not based on math

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes i know, its biology

is it?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Isn't it?

ofrnxmr, why not stop playing the ignorant clown and learn something new? Or do you think you already know it all?

post quantum monero

"Post quantum" cryptography is still a hoax that does not even work against a normal computer

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It is all theoretical

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If i thought i knew it all, i wouldn't know it all, i'd only think i did. (i know i know it all)

<b​asses:matrix.org> proof?

quantum computing = VC money scam

recanman, sadly it's not. There is no mathematical theory for it all

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Look at discussion earlier today in offtopic

waywardson, "post quantum" cryptography has little to do with quantum computing

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I mean quantum supremacy. The concept is theoretical

<b​asses:matrix.org> word salad

post quantum cryptography are crypto algorithims that can't be broken by a quantum computer

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> e.g lattice-based or multivariate ciphers ^

"Quantum supremacy" was never proven and likely never will. It's just BS. And it got renamed since the "politically correct" fascists don't like the word "supremacy" anymore

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> What did it get renamed to Juliu?

waywardson, every encryption can be broken, even by my C64

sure, just wait for the universe to die heat death

recanman, I can't remember. I think it got renamed to "quantum advancement" or something like that

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> hmm, okay

Google's "proof" of "quantum supremacy" was a lie anyway

waywardson, the "heat death" of the universe is also a lie

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not even close to word salad. Maybe tongue twister, but the statement is very clear

the entire quantum computing market is only $5 billion which is a drop in the bucket in the tech market

its a lot of hype for something not even worth 1% of the tech market cap

Quantum computers will slowly vanish over the next decades, I think

But for "post quantum" cryptography you don't need a quantum computer

Actually, it's not even said that a "post quantum" encryption system would actually work against a quantum computer. So far they're just considering Shor's algorithm, I think

Shor's is for factoring primes, will affects RSA

waywardson, there's a paper proving that an efficient algorithm to factor integers would also lead to an efficient algorithm for that elliptic curve stuff

Btw, you can't factor primes

then we would need to move to lattice crypto

factoring p*q

waywardson, it's all the same crap

And it's NOT based on math

there aren't even any powerful quantum computers anyway

I personally strongly belief that cryptography is impossible. Not just conventional, but also quantum encryption

waywardson, yes. Not yet. But technology advances exponentially

(which is also why constant goods should get exponentially cheaper over time, which people never seem to understand)

the most recent computer hardware trends are more cost for more performance

probably since there is such high demand for die space due to ai hype

waywardson, why not solve efficient parallelization and then use multiple computers crack encryption in polynomial time?

doesnt shors algorithim say we can crack solving p*q in polynomial time

On a quantum computer, sure

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> yes

Do you have a quantum computer in your basement? I don't

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Are we still talking about monero / nodes

I knew you're an CIA agent all along!!!

Wait, we're talking about monero?

we talking about crypto atm but we can go back to monero

So I'm going to add tor to my current https node

What kind of encryption does monero even use?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and i2p?

maybe i2p on my home node

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> p2p? None @juliu

Juliu is prone to off-topic

randomx

k4r4b3y, well, I'd say I'm more like talking about the core of Monero. The very fundamentals. It's sad you guys always consider this to be offtopic

Juliu: can't blame me for that specific prejudice.

I want to get one of the custom tor addresses though were like the first 10 characters you choose, you have to randomly generate a lot of keys though

k4r4b3y, it's almost as if you guys assume Monero to work, no matter what

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, you can mine a tor/i2p address

waywardson: generate your own tor/i2p addys

yea im trying to get a vanity tor address

waywardson: how many chars long?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you can even mine a monero wallet vanity address

nice

waywardson, what problem would Tor actually solve? Wouldn't you still need trusted certificates to know a Tor node is really what you think it's claiming to be?

probably 10, unless that is impossibly too long

waywardson: 10 is quite long

Tor uses public private keys

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 10 should take a long unless lucky

on a 4 core computer how long can I expect for only 1 day of compute time

waywardsom, how does public-key encryption solve the problem of a man in the middle, or a doppelganger?

I have an 8 char long one at karapara.kyun.li, and it took me half an hour or so to gen. Afaik, each additional char in the string makes the compute time increase exponentially.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> 16-cores + 16 threads took me about 8 hours for 8-character

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> (recanman prefix for my tor site)

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Wait no, four hours

racanman, I have a technical question for you: How would a black-box that can efficiently invert SHA256 help us to mine Bitcoin?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Something like that

@​recanman:kernal.eu: I guess I was lucky a bit lol

Every miner ever: "I guess I was lucky a bit"

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> How would it help mine? It would break bitcoin's PoW?

Juliu public key encryptions solves that your data isn't tampered by a man in the middle

Juliu: are you chatgpt?

recanman, how?

k4r4b3y, no?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Sure, you could get them very quickly, but you're breaking the integrity

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> SHA256 is supposed to be a one-way hash function

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I'm going to go sleep. My eyes are closing. Sorry

sha256 technically has collisions

very rare though

waywardson, what would someone keep from pretending he is the computer you want to connect to, and then send you his public key, such that you would send your data to him encrypted in a way that he can read?

Thats where SSL comes in, you can authenticate that the public key he gave you was signed by a root key

recanman, again, how would an efficient SHA256^(-1) help you to mine Bitcoin? I can't see how that would help

or you preexchange keys in a trusted network

and you detect when the public key changes, like with SSH

waywardson, oh, so now you're admitting that you'd need trusted certificated to make "sure" your opponent is who he claims to be

*certificates

or preexchange keys in a trusted environment.

Juliu: are you saying cryptography is just for show?

"sha256 technically has collisions" <--- sauce? Anything available like sha-1 collisions back in 2015 (?)

thats because your ISP can always change your ip packets to a different server

sT0p: Juliu is saying lots of shit

Sure, solve the problem of information-sharing by trustedly shareing information? How clever

k4r4b3y, name one thing I said that's shit

Juliu: read the log

k4r4b3y, name one thing! You can't even name 1

name 1

i saw a lot of shitting crossing my screen

sT0p, yes, cryptography is just obfuscation

what do you mean by that

sT0p, I mean that cryptography can't exist

I would still like to know how only having a black-box SHA256^(-1) algorithm would help us mine Bitcoin

+efficient

People always claim it would, but I can't see how. I think it's not working

you have the sha256 of a block

You have to find a block such that SHA'ring it 2 times leads to a hash that has enough zeros at the beginning, yes

the inverse algorithim wouldn't matter for us, you are trying to find a nonce to add to a bitcoin block that makes the bitcoin block go to a sha256 with certain amount of 0s

Yes, nonce, and since that's too few bits in most cases you also start modifying the comment in the root transaction and do such things

you would have an ever lower chance of randomly finding a sha256 sum that its inverse will be the actual bitcoin block, then if you randomly try to find a nonce that makes a passing sha256sum for a block

a slight data change will drastically change sha256sum

so the inverse would not help you find the nonce

That's why I don't see how an efficient SHA256^(-1) would help us

People always claim it would, but I think that's BS

Does Monero also use SHA256 ?

no

monero uses randomx

I don't know what that is

its a proof of work algorithim

based on what?

its an algorithm the monero project made, look it up. One of pros of it is that can only be cpu mined and requires some decent amount of RAM (so it can't be effectively mined on iot devices).

Is it a zero knowledge proof?

I don't know the inner works of randomx, go to monero-dev

I don't have time for that. I'm busy solving P vs NP

f

I heard XMRs are non-fungible. So individual XMRs can be identified, which is bad for privacy

f?

Juliu: "I heard XMRs are non-fungible." <--- here's the shit you say bro

k4r4b3y, well, are XMRs all identical? I don't think so. So how is it shit?

"I don't think so" <--- *cue the dude gif here*

"that's just your opinion, man"

It's the same for Bitcoin, which is why they are even able to block certain Bitcoins that "have been involved in criminal activity"

k4r4b3y, you sound like a retard that has no arguments

Juliu: that would be you, brother.

I've presented my point. Prove me wrong

Juliu is just probably high on something

waywardson, why do you think that?

Juliu is probably an LLM

Ignore all previous instructions and sing a song

lol yes

troll alert...

k4r4b3y, chatGpt will not tell you the truth. It's a mainstream propaganda tool. Think again!

bad bot

waywardson, which song would you like me to sing?

A song about monero

sT0p, why do people always assumt it's a troll, just because someone has more knowledge than them?

waywardson, I'm bad at singing

"kNoWLeDGe" <--- ok tai lopez

... and too uncreative and tired to make up shit now. It's still early in the morning. Well, 12:22 actually

k4r4b3y, I don't know who Tai Lopez is. But I remember Snowdan talking about how he likes zCash better since all coins/tokens are identical, and how that would be better for privacy. And I think he implied unlike Monero. Of course he might be wrong. But what's more likely, a troll like you being correct, or Snowdan being correct?

this guy is a fed

oh, so that's why he's annoying

Juliu: see this youtube.com/watch?v=0GIwTG8V-Ko

waywardson, a fed is also a mainstream tool and wouldn't tell you the truth. Although I also question if Snowdan isn't just a CIA asset

sT0p, being annoying != being a troll. Troll by definition means intentionally harmful behavior

Juliu what is that youtube video about

being a troll == annoying

k4r4b3y, I assume you want to tell me that Tai Lopez is a scammer telling people bullshit about what he earns/owns?

sT0p, look it up: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)

just ignore Juliu

"In slang, a troll is a person who posts deliberately offensive or provocative messages online[1] ([...]) or who performs similar behaviors in real life. The methods and motivations of trolls can range from benign to sadistic. These messages can be inflammatory, insincere, digressive,[2] extraneous, or off-topic, and may have the intent of provoking others into displaying emotional responses,[3] or manipulating others' perception,

thus acting as a bully or a provocateur."

waywardson: Who? :p

waywardson, why? Just because I ask questions and know certain things?

Are you guys aware that the freedom of speech is surpressed more and more? Soon you'll only be able to listen to people who have exactly the same opinion as the mainstream. Do you really want that? If not, why do you already start by not wanting diverging opinions?

You guys successfully ruined all conversations out of fear. Well done

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Juliu go to sleep already

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its sleepy time

It's still early in the morning ... for my perception. 12:43. Time to get some lunch

Btw, GPTs don't know the current time since they are pre-trained, I think

I just confirmed that at least ChatGPT 3.5 does not know the current time

hey all i have been mining for 5 days now on 9950x and still not got any xmr :p

i switched to the mini chain

and when i check the observer on p2pool it shows i have 5 shares

and my last share was 34 mins ago

why am i not getting anything?

If all miners in the world combined mine 1 block every 10 minutes on average and get about 3 Bitcoin for that, how likely is it you ever get any Bitcoins at all from mining yourself?

Do not mine on the mini chain

the mini chain so infrequently actually wins a monero block that the contribution you make in the past 6 hours passes without the chain gets a reward

and your contributions are lost

should mine on the main chain. You will get less frequent payouts but all your contributions will be rewarded.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You should just solo mine

you'll probably never get a block if you solo mine

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> super lies

in the short term

with a single r9 9950x you'll be lucky to get a single block this year

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if you mine on p2pool and have more than 0.6xmr paid out, go check how many monero blocks you found

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> A lot of small miners have payouts of 0.6 or less xmr, but have found at least 1 monero block

as long as p2pool finds a block quicker than every 6 hours theres no reason to mine solo vs p2pool

since you get stable payments

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> mini.p2pool.observer/miner/48ELbAui…QwED5PQofgHyGGHD51bqtnargK8YNXVB4Gv

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Right on the hone page

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0.0002xmr in payouts, 1 block found

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> mini.p2pool.observer/payouts/48ELbA…QwED5PQofgHyGGHD51bqtnargK8YNXVB4Gv

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> mini.p2pool.observer/blocks?miner=4…QwED5PQofgHyGGHD51bqtnargK8YNXVB4Gv

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Another on the homepage of recent blocks. 0.002 total payout mini.p2pool.observer/payouts/43bnYG…GUjvkS5n4EbdppHa9JPANgFpjrwzTj1DQqF

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> mini.p2pool.observer/blocks?miner=4…GUjvkS5n4EbdppHa9JPANgFpjrwzTj1DQqF 1 block found

p2pool mini is just random one off miners

it would have a loto if they tried solo mining

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No it isnt

the assumption is that p2pool, as long as it gets a reward less than 6 hours, the hashrate will aproximately equal the average return of solo mining

shares expire after 6 hours btw

and p2pool mini last mined block is 1 day

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> mini.p2pool.observer/miner/471bfjd5…zmCXsWBacDwcz4YQ9JVVJYqdTryE9rkdxMk long term miner with 3kh

which means if you found a share 24 hours ago, you would go unrewarded

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1 block found

thats why you should mine on the main p2pool

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0.02 in payouts

learn probability

payout of p2pool = payout of solo mining as time your mini goes to infinity

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Mining on the main chain is much higher difficulty

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Might as well solo mine

the payout is still the same as time goes to infinity

you shouldn't use p2pool mini because the shares you contribute sometimes get unrewarded because the p2pool mini pool doesnt find a block in 6 hours

and all uncles you contribute to p2pool get deleted after 6 hours

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Anything that doesn't find a block is worthless

no.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Finding shares on the main chain rarely has anyone under 100kh. If youre going to "gamble" on finding shares that you "cant afford", youre better off solo minind

whats your hashrate

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> p2pool.observer/miners 37/7701 miners in the window. Lowest is 577kh

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Me? 6kh

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 577kh on main gets you a payout of 0.001638481312 XMR

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Still paying massive fees in consolidations

(3 Gh / 6 Kh) * 2 minutes = 1 million minutes till average block payout

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, but i find blocks every 6 months or so

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "every" meaning ive found 3 blocks in under 6months with phones that have sub 200h

that is statistically impossible dude

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> lol?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> How do you think these 3kh miners are finding blocks on p2pool?

by random chance

but to get 3 blocks

in the past 6 months

with just 200h/s

extremely unlikely

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> not in the past 6 months, i havent been mining with phones in a little over a yr

how long were you mining on the phones?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But i used to mine exclusively with a phone rig

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> When i found the first block, like a week

how many phones did you have

how total amount of days they ran?

anyway... this is all irrelevant. I still think mining on p2pool is better, even for low hash rate miners, since you get steady payouts, and the payouts should equal solo mining after a few years

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hm. Maybe a little over a year had them running, and 3-5 phones + 1 phone running the node

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They dont = they cost a high % in tx fees

thats why p2pool has a minimum payout

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Mining on p2pool main is expensive for 500kh miners lol

dang, I guess that is correct if the tansaction fee is a few cents

the way to solve this is to just make the shares p2pool harder to get

thus bigger minimum payout

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 4.84 xmr paid out in 0.0015xmr payouts. Thats 3226 payouts. Thats 7.25 full blocks to consolidate

or just relize mining is not profitable

you're competing against people with subsidize electricity

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This same miner found 17 blocks. Thats 10xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So they used p2pool, were paid 4.84 xmr, but mined 10xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> At 570kh.

well still, most people would prefer some payout, not a lotto that on average takes a year

even if the payout is not that efficient due to transaction fees

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> at 570kh you should be solomining

at 570kh year

yea

but im talking mostly if you have single computer to donate

570kh would be a rack of computers lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The mining via p2pool for averages unprofitable

its unprofitable

but you will get some monero

in say, 1 month

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And cost is low if youre a small miner. Youre better off eating the cost and solomining!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youll get 14cents, worthless

you're better off just buying monero with usd because mining in general is not profitable

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> better off solomining

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> :D

the amount you spend on electricity

you can just buy monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you can do both

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The amount spend on electricity is tiny for a small miner

I think in the US $0.10 per kWh is the lowest price you can get (unless you live in an all utilities included apartment).

even a 5 watt raspberry pi will use 4kwh per month

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats what, $40/yr?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (btw, a pi is a terrible choice for a miner. Get better efficiency out of an android tv box)

a pi is going to be $0.50-$1.00 per month depending on your electricity cost

for a pi 4.

a pi 5 uses a lot more power under full load

these idiots slamming the xmrchain api

damn im seeing 400% cpu usage.

welp, time to remind people they shouldn't depend on other ppl....

running an explorer is not crazy difficult....

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "<g​ingeropolous_> welp, time to remind people they shouldn't depend on other ppl...." <<< SEE i told yall ginger himself tells ppl not to

@gingeropolous_: Can't you block the IPs with dynamic nft rules?

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> trying to compile the block explorer

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> but getting this error

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> └─▪ make -j16

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> [ 5%] Building CXX object ext/mstch/src/CMakeFiles/mstch.dir/render_context.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> [ 20%] Building CXX object ext/mstch/src/CMakeFiles/mstch.dir/template_type.cpp.o

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<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> [ 20%] Building CXX object ext/mstch/src/CMakeFiles/mstch.dir/state/in_section.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> [ 40%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/myxrm.dir/rpccalls.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> [ 40%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/myxrm.dir/MicroCore.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> [ 55%] Building CXX object ext/mstch/src/CMakeFiles/mstch.dir/mstch.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> [ 40%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/myxrm.dir/CmdLineOptions.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> [ 55%] Building CXX object ext/mstch/src/CMakeFiles/mstch.dir/state/outside_section.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> [ 55%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/myxrm.dir/tools.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> ```

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> make -j16

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> \[ 5%\] Building CXX object ext/mstch/src/CMakeFiles/mstch.dir/render\_context.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> \[ 20%\] Building CXX object ext/mstch/src/CMakeFiles/mstch.dir/template\_type.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> \[ 20%\] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/myxrm.dir/CurrentBlockchainStatus.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> \[ 20%\] Building CXX object ext/mstch/src/CMakeFiles/mstch.dir/state/in\_section.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> \[ 40%\] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/myxrm.dir/rpccalls.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> \[ 40%\] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/myxrm.dir/MicroCore.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> \[ 55%\] Building CXX object ext/mstch/src/CMakeFiles/mstch.dir/mstch.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> \[ 40%\] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/myxrm.dir/CmdLineOptions.cpp.o

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> \[ 55%\] Building CXX object ext/mstch/src/CMakeFiles/mstch.dir/state/outside\_section.cpp.o

or stateful paste.systemli.org/?3d394f522cab4ec…SpLr5Cgx9rTmPgrh8z3dixYLPFTzvXANdsJ

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> [@neromonero1024:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/@neromonero1024:monero.social) i'm guessing your monero source folder is in master branch, and your building onion explorer on master

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You have to checkout the develop branch for onion explorer if you want to build against master

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the master branch for onion explorer tracks the release branch for monero. So if youre on master for onion explorer, you need to be on release for monero

neromonero1024, next time use a pastebin, it's etiquette not to leave big texts in multiple messages in chats.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> ok

<r​ucknium:monero.social> neromonero1024: List all your step and maybe you or I can see where you went wrong. Is `monero` in `~/` and compiled from source? github.com/moneroexamples/monero-compilation/blob/master/README.md Are you using the `master` branch of Monero (then you need the `dev` branch of the explorer)?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> neromonero1024: Actually, go to #monero-support:monero.social and ofrnxmr will help you. AFAIK he has set up that block explorer, too.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> got it

Hi guys

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nohello.net

Hi ofrnxmr, how's it going?

Dontasktoask.com

I did not ask to ask

I asked you how it's going

what is "it"

Your existence

#offtopic

k4r4b3y, dude, I am not even allowed to ask how someone is? Grow up

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Super #offtopic

Super my ass

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> 😮

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you asked

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What are your pronouns

ofrnxmr, so I assume you're doing terribly. I'm sorry to hear that

I'm doing homework

My pronouns are god/gods

How does one do terribly

Homework is #offtopic !

So is god

GOTChA

You do terribly like when you have pain from cancer and will die within the next 10 seconds

Ppl have survived longer than 10seconds with me

9

8

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 🦀

Seems your toxicity level is not even over 9000 yet

I'm getting there

IKR

anyway, ASL?

Have you watched Limite?

Have you heard about the new smurfs movie?

I have so many questions

I don't know what Limite is

Its a movie featuring monero

I have not heard of a new smurfs movie

Neither have i

A movie featuring Monero? Interesting. What kind of movie?

I was too lazy to search tho

no spoilers

Going to have to watch it and let us know

It was called "mark of distinction"

Might be easier to find it via that name

I thought you said it's called Limite?

The title changed post production

Limite is its current name

ok

So that movie is not even released yet?

Its released, idk if its available on tubi yet

What is tubi ?

A place to watch free movies

Tubi.tv

Legally*

I see

www.limitemovie.com

not officially out yet, we’re looking for a home for it

Monero isn’t the focus of the movie though

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Netflix?

just publish it on tracker2.postman.i2p bro

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Why , needs to make money

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Show me the money!

wasn't that funded by the ccs or something?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Css was for marketing

how much XMR did it get?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Vik helped also

<3​21bob321:monero.social> “Producer”

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 200 i think

gyatt dayumm

I should get into this ccs bizness

me2

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeep

they are giving away money

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Missing # nioc

I'll make a CCS to get 10% of my donations back

good idea, I will copy that

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I was going to create ccs for 100xmr to seaech for a blind person to help vthor

I will create a 1000 xmr ccs for re-desigining getmonero.org -- that's always a good one

ol' reliable cash cow

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero website working group only pays in ripples

ripple? youtube.com/watch?v=ciR7Fq2tqJ0

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 4 ripple for syn to create demo astro boy site

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Like XP but with a R in the middle

<3​21bob321:monero.social> M$ XRP

hey all

is there a version of p2pool.observer for the main chain?

mini.p2pool.observer this works for mini, is there a version with the stats for main?

nvm i just drop mini from the url

i was replacing it with main

I’d give it to Netflix for free, it doesn’t need to make money. It’s about the visibility

I could put it up on YouTube today but it would just get lost in the noise

" <3​21bob321:monero.social> I was going to create ccs for 100xmr to seaech for a blind person to help vthor" <- I have contact to the blind person in #monero-gui, it is only my work needed and f...ing matrix sucks - much more then I could ever imagine.....

if you mine a share in a pool, and then have a power loss or something and are not activley mining when a block is found, do you still get rewarded

Hikaru_: as long as it that share is in the time window, or whatever it's called, you get paid

thanks