<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Listen here, you lil shit.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who told you I am running reto, defending reto, and most importantly, taking reto's fee?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Markus clarify that. Answer the question. I shall be waiting, aloha boy.

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> Aloha!

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> I presume you've not read their website

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Assumptions are the mother of fuck ups.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> A thank you note leads you to believe I run reto, defend reto and profit off of it?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I wonder what conclusions you draw from a simple "hi, how are you?" interaction with a stranger...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Probably that they want to fuck your brains out, among other things.

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> Calm down

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Point is, thus far, I am not defending reto and for the other two, stop being delusional. I haven't earned a penny from Reto and I do not run any seed nodes for Reto.

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> Have some ham and pineapple pizza

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> No, fuck off. You are claiming I do things I do not, when asked for proof, you use the credits on a static website.

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> It was actually an assumption

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Well, glad you will correct that moving forward haha.

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> insanelygoodrecipes.com/hawaiian-cocktails

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Markus I even invited you to Revuo's Matrix room few minutes after you had announced the new network in here and Haveno's main room, haha. I'll share the news in Revuo some time tomorrow, if not Friday.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> As for mbull, be patient with him. He's European...

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> You are correct in that just being on their website does not inherently mean you are taking a fee.

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> I am happy to apologize on that basis.

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> I have not yet extended any sort of apology to him

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> I've yet to raise this the reddit audience

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> What kind?

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> Not my kind I hope

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> One of the worst and best, depending on the lens you look it through... 🇩🇪.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I do not read any of what he says on here out of tiredness. Trying to talk some sense to that dude is pointless haha. What did he say about Aloha anyway?

<a​lohamarkus:matrix.org> I can't remember specifics, I just remember him not liking it at all and responding rather weirdly / unexpectedly. I just linked that with how much he shills it on Reddit and considered him a significant stakeholder.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I see...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> He's gotten some shade from his pinned thread on how to install it being a moderator.

@a​lohamarkus:matrix.org: I have nothing to do with reto. I'm a user like everyone else there.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we mainly told markus to un-fuck his 2000-files-changed GitHub but he got all defensive

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Them he said you and me run reto and that we are tyrants and that I'll censor this dude on Reddit

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> He also made snide remarks about a Reto config thing that his fork also has set to the same default number

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Then he said you and me run reto and that we are tyrants and that I'll censor this dude on Reddit

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/UhodkuLvyhbarSiPQsWyOGGh

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> he also claimed to somehow have launched "months before reto"?

alright

how does one convert btc to mnr

im looking for safe methods

the eu put a planket ban on monero it seems

think i found a way

anybody heard of changenow.io?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> yeah its on getmonero.org/community/merchants

which one would you use?

there's 5 of them

<m​onerobull:monero.social> check out [trocador](trocador.app/?ref=YFJL36Szy7)

does that link track or just refer

sigh

disclose ref links please

kycnot.me for more detailed info on each swapper

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> okey

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it doesnt track

ok

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it just splits the me the 0.02% (?) referral with trocador and the sharer without costing any more

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it just splits the 0.02% (?) referral with trocador and the sharer without costing any more

that's fair.

yourstruly, blanket ban on Monero? That is unenforceable!

BlueyHealer: im sure you've heard o fit

No, not sure. Only exchange delistings.

oh, that's what i meant.

the exchanges dont deal in monero anymore. :(

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> doesnt matter

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> at least once serai is running

hi

Or at least swaps from other currencies) Personally not considering this because I would never KYC for this anyway - but still.

<d​atahoarder:monero.social> Test

monerobull: Any rough ETA on Serai? I remember that you were fairly actively involved

yourstruly: You could have a look at Bitfinex if you are in Europe

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> id say early 2025

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> :3

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1gln8b…aioha_haveno_network_shady_hotheads

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is this the one with like 5 domains trying to confuse people?

<r​amiabdou_:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/hgBXVEjiqqErMARyuCrFZNjO

<r​amiabdou_:matrix.org> Hello why i can't join the #monero-dev:monero.social room ?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that was haveno main, yeah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they also bought @haveno on telegram and copied the haveno.exchange website

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> copying websites

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> hmmmmm

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> another thing main and aloha have in common

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Scammers

<r​amiabdou_:matrix.org> Is there some dev who do stuff on xmr here?

be more specific

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is it a support issue or development

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I am having the same issue in the Monero Workgroup Community chat which is my favorite place to argue with people

<r​amiabdou_:matrix.org> im looking for somenoe who already did txs in a node js environment

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> can someone please fix it for me, plowsof tried but something weird is happening, maybe it needs a monero.social server restart?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> #monero-community-dev:monero.social is better for none-core stuff

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fix what?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Your on matrix.orgy homeserver

<r​amiabdou_:matrix.org> thanks bro

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> dev is invite only currently, kewbits issue is unrelated

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Good luck kewbit. I've seen people having this issue with no way to fix it.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You better not be in denial and accept the sad reality that you need another matrix account

<m​onerobull:monero.social> double

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> wielding

<m​onerobull:monero.social> is the only solution to matrix fuckery

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Login from a new client

another day with matrix issues :)

where do I get an account and how many of them should I get?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who knows

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. Monero.social has reg disabled

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. If you make an acct, a lot of rooms are invite-only

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3. If you get invited, a lot of rooms are broken

wen matrix workgroup ?

😭

matrix-brokengroup

Cant call it a workgroup if its broken

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Turn off invite-only -_- plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Emoji-gate, invite-gate, registration-gate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What are we, apple?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sacrificing everything to "protect" from 1 person is senseless

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Make me mod and turn off invite-only

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The spammer literally _told me_ that their goal was to force us to close off the community

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/syHTZxfKIIjJMsyxlauUUIeT

When I discovered Aloha on Kewbit's website 2 or 3 days ago, I thought these are skilled people that Kewbit knows.

Then I saw their Github, Rofl. Then the 0 fees - my first thought was SCAM alert.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Super terrible commit history

SCAM alert 2.0 from Haveno main. Now I know it can't be 'main'. They come from Austria.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tbf, reto's is also not-great, but aloha's is like "i've never used git before"

The story about the age is amazing. The mainnet launch date is in the code with arb keys. This boy is completely incompetent. :-)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/nahuhh/haveno/commits/pr/aloha this is how aloha's should look

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they really have a great PR strategy

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> "lets start by telling a bunch of lies and creating enemies"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Looking at reto's lol, its pretty bad too 🙈

@o​frnxmr:xmr.mx: Yes, I read everything yesterday. Even your attempts to help him get a clean Github.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/JdzDFgMQcnJzViPiHwjGBvNI

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> At least its not 1800 files being modified within a 1 line change

If a 2nd Haveno Network in Kewbit's splinter app, then I would most likely trust HardenSteel. He stopped the launch 6 months ago.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> unless cakewallet launches a network that has negative fees, i dont think id switch to any new network lmao

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why not ofrnxmr's network 😡

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Mine has been the best since 100 days before haveno frontend ccs

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you didnt launch based on a bisq beta version fork 10 years ago?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> mid

:-)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I did tho

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 11yrs ago

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Before monero

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> damn

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> bytecoin bisq

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> it wasnt the best til 100 days before haveno ccs.. so theres that

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> that's real thing btw

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> kucoin were paying negative fees for very high volumes

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> for makers

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Kucoin also claims to have 9m xmr

Ha, ha. bytecoin bisq is a good name for aloha ;-

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> alo-nah

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> tbf.. reto's git is ass too 🙈

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> youve said it three time

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> youve said it three times

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Aloha's 1800 file commit is a 100% NACK tho

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the git isnt even the big issue

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm waiting for it 2 b fixed

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its how they responded to the criticism

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I never looked til 15mins ago, now i can't unsee

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Aloha response was hilarious

Yes, they had to rebase recently when .12 came out.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Got mad that i sent a patch 💀

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rebase isnt the issue. The commit names show they use github .com to make commits and dont know how to squash

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/compar…9bee76ea9fb276a7dd2f5d985fee481fR45

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> reto should stop using my temporary workaround to launch mainnet

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> haveno-dex/haveno 61fc13a#diff-d937e7daf401ec4f0a646837c8f1d3239bee76ea9fb276a7dd2f5d985fee481fR45

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> can you explain what the workaround is?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> commenting out that line

All I know is that they constantly have problems accessing Github via VPN.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> "// import java.util.ArrayList; TODO" this?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> yes

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> there was an issue about it, i cant remember why i exactly did it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> does it impact the software at all?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> "/core/support/dispute/arbitration/arbitrator/ArbitratorManager.java"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<b​oldsuck> All I know is that they constantly have problems accessing Github via VPN." << i exclusively access gh via tor

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> sounds kinda important

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i forgot, its been long time

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> I was going to ask woodster about it, but instead I just canceled

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> why does it show these differently?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> everyone love woodser

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/xiPwddvdgBeuslrZIqGOgKnN

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/UwNsBcAMEeMpcrXGYlccHqgj

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but no one asked if woodser love us

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i think wooder does, he has been working very hard on haveno

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> probably the file changed until now

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He loves haveno, not you

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> my commit is much older

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i didnt update my repo to new versions

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> idk how this works but just logically thinking, could woodser have removed it and the reto comitt literally just adds a comment for something that isnt there anymore?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> idk how this works but just logically thinking, could woodser have removed it and the reto commit literally just adds a comment for something that isnt there anymore?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Git blame

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thats what i would have guessed since there is no removed line in the reto image

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/JYPbUKKsWoJfttNcsWTjQoXy

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/zuEgSRAwGTXtvKGHDSNIDpQD

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/CHUwMrAxideptcHDSbRkjaeC

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They didnt release new no-fee vs

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they said with next update

Yes with .13

Website ist outdated :-) The 0% taker is currently 0.1% Maker is 0.5% AFAIK

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> haveno-dex/haveno 4172cc7

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hardened ^

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> not outdated, it has always been this way

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> whenever i talked with reto team they told me they will change it

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> but they never did

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> they only changed on the site

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> can you do a git balme on this retoaccess1/retoaccess1.github.io a36bb89

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> or is that not how it works

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/retoaccess1/retoaccess1.…8dbcae66935e6ec3fd4b2dde/index.html

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Commit history for that file

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/MDXuailKmdqyIWfBBpZomZLe

bc haveno-dex/haveno 4172cc7 I'll write to them in SimpleX to fix it.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> interesting

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it was 0.1 & 0.5 on the old website

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> or maybe not?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i think i didnt get enough sleep

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i thought one of the web archive captures shows .1 & .5

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ok im not insane

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/uhQoGaMOJQdoMqGiHSmvBJlc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> in july it was 0.6

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> then on july 26 it was changed

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and in august the website was re-made and it was 0.6 again

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/yxyxgXExhathXzmcQcRBHIId

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it was correct for about a month

Yes, they've been wanting to change Taker to 0% for a while now, but they don't have it in the code yet.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> july 21

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> look the commit date

;-) > m​onerobull:matrix.org: it was correct for about a month

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ah right

I never really cared about the fees. Most of it was donated to woodser for Haveno Bounty's.

TxID's are in SimpleX Chat History if anyone has them.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Anyone with experience on UnstoppableSwap ?

If I have calculated correctly: Trade History 3.674,83 Fee 0.6% = 22,0490

XMR

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> edit: Anyone here have used unstoppableswap without any issues?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the fees were pretty low anyways

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you can see how many fees you've paid in total in the history tab

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> my average fee percentage is even below 0.3

monerobull: ty, early 2025 sounds promising

<b​b3883:matrix.org> monero abt to moon and catch up to bitcoin in price 🥳

I would rather want Monero's price to be relatively stable. No jumps in either direction makes it more usable as a currency.

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i think i’d rather it moon to $70k right now and i’d just cash out the buy it back once it crashed back down 🥳

<b​b3883:matrix.org> but yes, monero is fairly stable and great for my illicit purchases

<b​b3883:matrix.org> oops, typo, i meant legitimate purchases

yeah, I love my illicit purchase of a novelty domain)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I use monero to buy groceries. Fym

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i’ve used it for uber eats ⁉️

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if we pumped to 70k in one day i dont even know where i would put the funds

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im not going to be holding dollars or euros lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ive bought uber for someone else with it too

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i would probably evenly distribute it across monero, eth, bitcoin and usdt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hahahahahaha

<b​b3883:matrix.org> then purchase my 🐑 car

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> USDS sky savings rate maybe

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they havent added the block feature just yet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sorry i laughed out loud. This guy real, really said eth, btc, usdt

Dogwifhat

<b​b3883:matrix.org> what’s funny?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1000

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but you need to stay up to date because the USDS contract is upgradable

<b​b3883:matrix.org> sorry man, i’m a bit confused what’s funny about eth and usdt 🤨

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i know you not talking ish about my btc 😒

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> none of those are money

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> buying btc at ATH, good idea

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Distribute between guns, land, and monero

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i can see buying some gold

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And business ventures

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> at 70k you can buy like a kilo per xmr right?

<b​b3883:matrix.org> and? do you really think your western government is going to let you cash out ur hundreds of millions you gained from monero buddy 😃

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My government? Whats that?

Philanthropy is also an option

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i wouldn’t go to war with those guys, they’re pretty scary

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Private gun sales are super legal w/o any paperwork

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> P2p land sales are super legal as well

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> plowsof coming in with the "think of the ccs" reminder, good job :D

xD

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if we go to 70k you can bet your ass i am funding a bunch of these by myself

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> although i would think something is seriously broken if we ever pump that high

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i think i’d just buy out an entire markets drugs and resell them in chiraq, easy investment

<b​b3883:matrix.org> monero is better than bitcoin, we need to trade the values

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> we should do like btc users and just stop spending /s

As long as the price isn't going all over the place like with BTC...

<b​b3883:matrix.org> if we can get everyone on board to sell their bitcoin and put it all into monero, we can do this guys

<b​b3883:matrix.org> yes

<b​b3883:matrix.org> unfortunately i find myself using xmr as a currency and not an asset to hold and brag about on social media

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Price? What price

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> bitcoin is a cult

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it will go on for at least 2 more decades

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1 house = 3xmr

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> before mining subsidies are too low to secure the value

I don't think it's a cult, it's a) people using it as stocks and b) inertia.

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i would like that

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you should go to some bitcoin meetups

<b​b3883:matrix.org> didn’t the united states president cause the big increase with bitcoin recently?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> indeed

Ah, those are outright cultish? NGL seen some of cultish behavior with Monero but thankfully not everywhere.

<b​b3883:matrix.org> how nice, i heard he also made a shit coin, my kind of guy tbh

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/iKuabjvMcKTgyTrnnkajEjOh

bb3883, I was under the impression that he likes crypto as an industry but doesn't like freedom and anonymity of crypto as a currency...

<b​b3883:matrix.org> don’t they have 4 billion in silk road coins already

Also yeah, he did do a shitcoin!

<b​asses:matrix.org> in U.S? 💀

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> trump is doing this just to farm votes and make some money

bb3883, heard somewhere that the US government is the biggest crypto owner in the world.

<b​b3883:matrix.org> that’s not very cutesy or demure of him, he’s one of us whether he likes it or not

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there is clearly a team making all the crypto stuff in his name

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, he should stick to selling Macdonalds

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the best thing that could come out of this is if he makes true on his promise to free ross

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that would be something

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nostr fanatics be like: BTC + Lightning + Trump => meaning of life

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i don’t think they would allow crypto to continue in their jurisdiction if they weren’t

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> rando: after pump

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And roger ver

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i think ross has about 4 years, trump will wait till the very end of his term in office

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> maybe trumps plan to pay off US debts is to pump and dump bitcoin

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> usa allowing xmr while eea, japan etc all cucking

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> on the scale of the entire USA

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> dumped on by USA

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Usa definitely FOMOing and wants to be biggest holder of crypto

<b​b3883:matrix.org> who really cashes out xmr though? i would never let such a crypto every touch my identity on any exchange unfortunately

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats why they fud for so long while accumulating

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> current btc cultists think he deserves it

<b​b3883:matrix.org> who really cashes out xmr directly though? i would never let such a crypto every touch my identity on any exchange unfortunately

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> remember - The feds dont sell seized monero

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its a perfect black budget boost

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theres literally nothibf wrong with usinf xmr publicly

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I use monero for a lot of clean, public business

<b​b3883:matrix.org> would definitely put me on some kind of watch list

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 👻 ooooo a list 🥴

<b​b3883:matrix.org> well as long as that’s all you use it for i think you’ll be okay, no need to worry about anything if you aren’t guilty of anything

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i use cash too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ans credit and debit

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i of course am not guilty of anything either, i just don’t want them thinking i am 😁

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> like that one leaked terrorism watchlist with 2 million names on it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And i'm guilty of a lot

<b​asses:matrix.org> Does Monero project have an official marketing team?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm probably on it and i couldn't care less

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fuck no

<m​odul8:matrix.org> is this bizarro world? thats the only choice to use if you value your privacy. but why sell is the question :)

<b​asses:matrix.org> they should

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i hope i made the top 100 🙏

bb3883, I would never let an exchange touch my identity) They're all KYC

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if you want marketing, you can buy stickers from monerosupplies.com

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Me 200. I want to be #1 #voteofrn

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there are even subsidized packages if you dont have much money

<b​asses:matrix.org> and paste it on private property

<b​b3883:matrix.org> sometimes i need a bit of money for the bills and such at the end of the month

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I cant give you my address!! Monero must be 100% onky for underground ppl who are afraid of the sun

<b​b3883:matrix.org> will send the message to my supervisor and see about getting that done for you!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> dont use it to pay your KYC'd phone bill. Its only for ppl who want to hide /s

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> too bad its all in monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'd appreciate it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> with bitcoin i could check if its worth to rob you /s

<b​b3883:matrix.org> you can buy esims with monero now, very great

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I mean my shipping addr

<m​odul8:matrix.org> the last guy disappeared never to be seen again

<b​b3883:matrix.org> can you get me an actual list of large bitcoin holders and their addresses?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'd rather just pay my regular phone bill, thx

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> uhm yeah?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but i can give you something better

<b​b3883:matrix.org> what’s that?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> icoholder.com/en/news/london-crypto…f-4m-in-ethereum-by-armed-attackers

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> more london knife crypto robberies

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> standard.co.uk/news/crime/teenagers…ndon-crime-met-police-b1092931.html

the knife would probably cost more than the contents of my monero stash lol

<b​b3883:matrix.org> looks like user error, first article they cashed out poorly, and second one i’ll just assume they did the same or just got caught in the act

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> shitty robbers in the second link

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they only got an average of 5.7k per robbed person

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> should have upped their chainalysis skills /s

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thats not my point

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> TIL that rich lists exist /s

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i just need one big name like that guy that got phished for half a billion a few months ago

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> my point is that transparent wallets make it super easy to rob you

<b​b3883:matrix.org> yes, does anyone want to start a task force with me?

<b​b3883:matrix.org> we can be the bitcoin bandits

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can work for me tho

<b​b3883:matrix.org> what’s the pay?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> can you stop mentioning crimes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I can run a barbershop, target come and pay in btc, i have man in the back monitor for large wallet, we then rob the fuck out the dude a few days later

<b​b3883:matrix.org> yes, my apologies i wasn’t aware that was unallowed here, i assumed we were all connected thru tor

<b​b3883:matrix.org> was just jokes of course!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we only trade minecraft diamonds and stagenet coins

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1btc / hit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we only trade minecraft diamonds and stagenet coins

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I only pay in transparent surveillance coins

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i think that’s a great idea

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bottlecaps

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Fallout be like

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/rNXREYeCfIjljiFETjnfXVWg

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i once scammed my friend by opening up electrum in stagenet mode

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> people do this on purpose

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> edition.cnn.com/style/article/mschf…sel-miami-beach-2022-atm/index.html

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> epic

<b​asses:matrix.org> form.typeform.com/to/kRGE7inV

<b​asses:matrix.org> Nominate your favorite projects for Proton Fundraiser

<b​asses:matrix.org> I nominated Monero project, doubt Proton likes Monero, but it doesn't hurt giving it a chance and showing normal people does indeed care about Monero and not only "criminals" as Proton seems to think.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they are bitcoin maxis, they already know people care about monero lmao

<b​b3883:matrix.org> does anyone actually use proton mail

<b​asses:matrix.org> this was posted on their twitter account btw xcancel.com/ProtonPrivacy/status/1854249422047117555

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes

<b​b3883:matrix.org> i think them promoting privacy but then requiring sms for the register of an email is fairly backwards

<b​asses:matrix.org> pissing them off still they accept it

<b​asses:matrix.org> pissing them off till they accept it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rhey accept it vis proxysto.re

<b​asses:matrix.org> they don't require only sms, you can add an email

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> lol^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Heres my gmail

<b​asses:matrix.org> temp mail 🧠

<b​b3883:matrix.org> did not know that, but i bet they block temp mails, so then you have to go find another service that’ll let you register with no sms and email from a tor ip, and in that case u might as well just stick to them

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> why would i need proton if i can use cock.li

<b​b3883:matrix.org> true

<b​asses:matrix.org> no, they don't

<b​asses:matrix.org> yeah only dumb people use cock.li

<b​b3883:matrix.org> cock.li even post every law enforcement interaction they have, very thoughtful of him

<b​b3883:matrix.org> oh, then i will go make a proton mail when i am done eating this 8oz steak and shrimp plate, cheers

basses, what's wrong with it?

Also, Proton still does require an email or SMS? Heard about at least someone registering without, am I mistaken?

<b​asses:matrix.org> internet.nl/mail/cock.li/1377339

<b​b3883:matrix.org> no funny shit, but how does cock.li avoid being marked as a spam service on sites like gmail, outlook, etc..

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's hilarious how people are complaining about ProtonMail acting like a company that is pressured by gov, despite ProtonMail themselves explaining it since the beginning. And now people imagine stupid things like somehow protonmail giving access to e-mail breaking their encryption and shit while its absolutely off-topic to whatever public affairs they have shared.

basses, ah, understandable.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ProtonMail is fine. And there are better ways

<b​asses:matrix.org> also if you want to see more discussion about cock.li discuss.privacyguides.net/t/cock-li-safe/16408

I used it for a bit back when I used their VPN until it got blocked. I didn't use it for a single email because they don't allow normal mail clients.

<b​asses:matrix.org> yeah, use instant messaging for messaging, ProtonMail is the best thing you can have for email

<b​asses:matrix.org> use the right tool

Also read on Lemmy that they did make their own client... But it apparently cannot even save mails locally, only cache them for a bit :/

so basically a website in a client form

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> proton is the best for email? 🧐

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cock.li being on the far-right spectrum should be a surprise to now one lmao

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> same with kyun really

ofrnxmr, the lack of client support automatically makes it not the best imo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ", fascists, misogynists and the like" lmao

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> same with kyun really tho the owner is serious and wont actually force anything upon people.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cocaine.ninja Airmail.cc firemail.cc

Yeah, what was he thinking with such domains? Imagine writing your professor from such...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cock.li. maybe cock.li isnt for god fearing individuals and ppl who are hurt by words

<b​asses:matrix.org> discuss.privacyguides.net/t/cock-li-safe/16408/31

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<B​lueyHealer> Yeah, what was he thinking with such domains? Imagine writing your professor from such..." << some of xmr's finest use gmail

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *based* some will say

"Hurt by words"? IDK, obscenity is just indecent.

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/rMIzhLGZiOZEhXLOlPhuWAsa

That's called "manners".

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/ttxTvxncXKGYXuqLkRMcBqQM

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rottenwheel calls ppl #1 all the time

<b​asses:matrix.org> email for r***

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> LOL tbf i havent seen these

<b​asses:matrix.org> should be banned 🤷

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He does it from his alt accounts

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> uses his main acct to call ppl trannys tho

<b​asses:matrix.org> hurting newcomers and members generally shouldn't be tolerable at all even if have been a long community member

<b​b3883:matrix.org> is paris in here?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> wtf are you on about?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He's not a long time communiry member, he was banned for 2+yrs for the same

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *Is Paris in the room with us right now?*

<b​b3883:matrix.org> yes

Paris? The Dread guy?

<b​asses:matrix.org> tbh this kind of attitude should have prevented any kind of CCS coming from him

<b​b3883:matrix.org> one of you seem to have the same form of speech as himmmm

<b​b3883:matrix.org> won’t say who

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> idk understand. what did rottenwheel said ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i dont understand. what did rottenwheel said ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/txVmUYOmBKPtPfCelqHvtELx

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or search community for "tranny"

<b​asses:matrix.org> ret** too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> throws around the rainbow and trans flags. Sympathizes with nazi's. Like, when he says mbll is cool bcuz hes german, its bcuz he likes germany for its history / connection to hitler.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont actually care about his infractions, i just find it hilarious that he cant control himself.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We live in a world where its hard for grown ass adults to stop saying (real) offensive words...

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in public

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monerobull is german?????

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Yes??????

<b​b3883:matrix.org> ITS THE MAN OF THE HOUR

<b​b3883:matrix.org> welcome

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He has be on /ignore, so he cant see half of the convo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> s/be/me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Has rando on ignore too iirc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I am a Berliner

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotten likes to live in his own little echo chamber. He [likes to think he] can dish it but cant take it

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What's up, ofrn alt #999.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who is ofrnalt 999?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh, real. Lmao

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cool

<dEBRUYNE> monerobull: ty, early 2025 sounds promising <<>> is this estimate for serai being fully functional using real xmr?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> That is my estimate yes

basses congrats on your new position as the official head of Monero marketing

<b​asses:matrix.org> clipboard.png

marketing need to do better than this <<>> <b​asses:matrix.org> clipboard.png

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My guess would be after fcmp

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I know it's after fcmp

hard fork for FCMP will be 2nd half of 2025

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> It's going to be after fcmp is done

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Not after it is live

ah

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I would think after its live

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cuz serai makes use of monero directly

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Doesn't matter a whole lot

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> The monero implementation just needs to be ready for the hardfork

<k​evino:tchncs.de> ok

<b​asses:matrix.org> need to relicense monero software to BSD

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> it is bsd

that was quick

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We move fast around here #efficiency

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Relicenxe to “copy left”

<b​asses:matrix.org> where?

<b​asses:matrix.org> not talking about monero-site

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero

<b​asses:matrix.org> oh it is indeed BSD

<b​asses:matrix.org> why not name it BSD?

<b​asses:matrix.org> github.com/monero-project/monero?tab=License-1-ov-file#readme

<b​asses:matrix.org> opensource.org/license/bsd-3-clause

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Part of it is MIT

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I just saw

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, talking about the other part

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/PZGtcdsetlGxcrhYJaXyJexe

<b​asses:matrix.org> never chatgpt the license

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Llama says

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ```

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero (XMR) is an open-source cryptocurrency, and its software is licensed under:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> *The permissive BSD-3-Clause License*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also known as the "New BSD License" or "Modified BSD License," this license allows users to:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. Freely use, modify, and distribute the software.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. Use the software for commercial purposes.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3. Distribute modified versions of the software.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> *Key conditions:*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. Redistribution of the software must retain the original copyright notice.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. Redistribution of modified versions must include a notice documenting the changes.

Interesting -> x.com/unstoppableweb/status/1854569691043578349

<b​asses:matrix.org> >In partnership with @monero and @cakewallet, we’re making $XMR payments more secure and private. Now, you can use a personalized domain instead of long wallet addresses to protect your financial identity.

<b​asses:matrix.org> real?

<b​asses:matrix.org> contacted with Monero CEO?

<b​asses:matrix.org> contacted which Monero CEO?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> they said @monero, but @monero didnt tweet excitement about the new partnership /s

monero CEO was unavailable for comment :P

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We are respresented by monero community leader grants fund

Is this the same unstoppableweb that donated approx 5k$ equivalent in btc to our general fund address some years ago

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they also stopped their unstoppable domains before

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they asked "can you give these back pretty please"

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Has anyone calculated how much it would cost to hold the xmr price at 150$ for years at a time

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> brother

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that is just the real value with most speculation removed

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Let’s imagine that’s incorrect

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> What would it cost to hold a currency like litecoin or bitcoin at a given price for 2 years

demand changes over time

so i'm not sure that's possible to answer

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> I suspect something could be calculated using historical price and transaction data

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> The person who is holding price at the level would certainly have that number

<u​mask777:decred.org> pure cope in the face of new BTC ATH

<u​mask777:decred.org> no one's holding the XMR price anywhere, BTC is massively inflated by finance and mining sector insiders

<u​mask777:decred.org> there is currently little demand for private digital currency, the majority of demand is for digital assets to dump on plebs

digital assets to dump?

"Has anyone calculated how much it would cost to hold the xmr price at 150$ for years at a time" <- this will hardly work like that, and I think it's the wrong way anyway. The problem is `fiat first` and the consecuence that people will value the value of fiat, although in decline.... It would change a lot if people would stop to see monero as just another crypto with privacy built in. And that is, why IMO adoption is secondary, but "deep adoption" (still find

no better word) is much more important. At the moment you charge for your work exclusively in XMR, or charge a premium if paid in othr means on top, purchase goods like meat, milk, bread (let's say simply groceries) in XMR - and this producers start to adopt a similar behaviour, you will start to get digusted by fiat and it's inflation. If you would anchor XMR to USD 150 you add the inflation of USD to XMR (IMO insane). Same on exchange, if you make XMR on

trading XMR and you want to stranghten XMR you should use a formular what is USD worth against value(products) and what is XMR in your opinion worth against value(products). Even better if trader agree on that value mostly (this will stablize and strengthen XMR). Stop putting prices in fiat first (even better don't - accept that fiat is worthless piece of paper which get's worth by dictation of gov and perception). Then on trading, give fiat for XMR for the spot

price (buy XMR), but put a markup on giving XMR for fiat (sell XMR), this demonstrated that the appreciated side is XMR not fiat, you prefer to hold XMR. Think about prices in your childhood in fiat and the same good in the same currency only with compound inflation. I think XMR is different, and XMR's fight is not in xchanges, screw exchanges, stick to the better money... And stop give prices in fiat and convert the by "rate" to XMR. xmrbazaar.com

Would you ever get a feeling what is the value of XMR purchasing daily on this side (not an attack on xmrbazar, simply one example)? No, because in you "lazy" head you will compare it with other products tagged with fiat prices, or with how many hours you need to work for it.

I would rather not have to use a smartphoneto pay for something simple like milk and eggs, so cash is king.

And if you tie the XMR to USD 150, you get an inverted curve of the value for XMR of that chart: fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU0000703112 (price history in USD for ground beef)

BlueyHealer: I think that is something to solve. I was for a while in a city, with a local currency (unfortunately tied to EUR). But, also, you if you local somewhere, you don't need any cash. Durring walks with the dog I have almost never cash with me, but if you are local, most people are willing to give you products in advance and you pay it later. I did it often. On the way back I got 2-3 products to not need to go out of the house again and I paid simply by

bank transfer in MX (on arriving at home). Other times I let cash in some places for the case I want to purchase something when I don't have cash on me. Both worked pretty well. So if your suppliers (obviously that will not work with a supermarket or a gas station) are well know, what stops you to send once in a while some XMR, or have it noted down in a book?

Cash by government is voluntary enslavement, cash is not king for you, it is king above you.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its really simple.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. How many ppl here use gate.io?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Answer = ~0

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2.how much volume does gate.io report?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> answer: the vast majority

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3. How much xmr does kucoin claim to have?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> answer: over 50% of the supply

what is gate.io?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> a cex that claims to have the vast majority of xmr volune

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tldr: as long as you respect a cex's misreporting volume _and_ reserves as gospel, youre a sucker

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> All you have to do is _stop setting sell orders on cex and haveno below 500usd, and like magic, the new price will be 500usd

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> they can only play smoke and mirrors if 1. Users avoid cex trading (never setting sell orders) 2. follow the cex's price

good thought!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if they sell fake xmr at 160usd, then eventually it wont be able to be withdrawn (bcuz kucoin doesnt actually have 9m xmr)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> With all of the delistings, the majority of reported volume is coming from cex that nobody uses (!!)

but I think, and I know it is a lot of effort, but there are people out there to abolish fiat or use is like a second or third class citizen if they can a) live and b) prosper on it, and simultaniosly starving fiat and with it the government.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its extremely easy to run a short squeeze on monero, were (as a community) just to pathetic to pull it off

So one strategie would then to put the sell price to usd 500, and on selling purchasing the cheap xmr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Steps:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. Buy _new_ on cex. Keep it on cex and set sell orders at moon prices

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. use existing xmr and set sell orders on haveno at moon prices.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3. Repeat.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> buy New xmr*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (1 means, dont deposit your xmr. Use the cex's reserve)

But I still think it is a issue, IMO monero is the only currency which needs a price consciousness, because "Monero is Monero" (like Diego said).

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Us / feds keeping it at low prices makes adoption near impossibke

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because liquidity is too sparse - you need to hold a lot of xmr to do anything, and theres (only 18.4m available)

yes and the result will be prices in monero go down, because value goes up.

IDK, I would rather not touch the internet if I can avoid touching the internet. Monero is so awesome because it gives you a private and independent option for online purchases where cash isn't viable.

As soon you drop fiat, gov can't play with it anymore

Well yeah, and tying all the payments to something electronic does not seem like a good thing either.

Well I would prefer (gov issued) cash would not be accepted anywhere, and the good thing is: it will die, the question is how log is it gonna go yet.

Monero is from the digital worls, cash is from the physical. I would rather not mix the two worlds if this isn't necessary.

vThor, not imagine your computer and/or phone broke, and it would be a while until you save up for repair or replacement. Would you like to be crippled? Would you also like to be excluded just because you're poor, for example?

so you prefer to give gov authority and extort and rape you over paying online with monero?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cash can be backed in monero, just like it used to be backed in gold

or could look like opendime.com

vThor, cash doesn't give that authority. Banks do.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Opendime isnt divisible tho

cash doesn't need to be controlled by the govt

and indeed electronic payment systems are pretty dangerous

" vThor, cash doesn't give that authority. Banks do." <-- wrong, which entity simply steals you by direct extortion (taxes) or inderect extortion(printing money)?

so taxation is the problem, not cash

Also one does not cancel the other. Monero is the cash's counterpart for online life, and I adore it in this. I just don't think it has to be outside of that. That would be as impractical as cash by mail - it absolutely has its use, but not something that should be the primary method of payment where it doesn't belong as much.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cash should be backed by a reserve of monero, i'd think

gov is the problem, and gov issued and mandated "currency".

right

vThor, cash can be used to evade taxes if you are willing to do so. Guess why so many companies employ people unofficially and pay them in cash.

but there's nothing wrong with physical money per se - and indeed it's superior to electronic money in many ways.

"cash should be backed by a reserve of monero, i'd think" <- the issue is there needs to be a entity to change it, and counterfeit will be a huge problem and very easy for gov as long it is not starved to death

unless you can guarantee that our electronic systems are fully pwned by the govt, except of course they are and you can't.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> counterfeiting a reserve should be hard

as2333, yes. Monero is superior online. Physical money is superior in the real world. Simple as that. Tying your ability to pay for things to a phone is unnerving and dystpian.

BlueyHealer yep pretty much.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The gift cards that plowsof and i worked on should allow for creating "cash" that only the user would know the password to spend

Also, it's unlikely you'd shop 100% local as you suggest - I doubt a store on the other end of the city would believe my promise to pay later, and even in the downstairs store I am not sure the cashier knows my face.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "More like a reloadable prepaid debit card" (but the card could be paper + qr/nfc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Merchant scans it, you enter your pin, funds are swept from the card then change is loaded onto the card

"vThor, cash can be used to evade taxes if you are willing to do so. Guess why so many companies employ people unofficially and pay them in cash." <- direct extortion, yes. inderect not. See it like that, if you work for $100 1h, and your neighbor also works for $100 one hour. And I can control the currency supply and want to have my house build, now I print some $100 notes and get you both to work on my house. What is the actual worth in hours if I paid both of

Also, I wouldn't rely on Monero staying anonymous. There might always be a flaw unknown before. There might be something that changes and undermines the privacy I had before. Physical cash is much harder to consistently track like this... Online, I don't treat methods of anonymity as a guarantee. For example, I am fine with relying on Tor now... But I am not an interesting person and unlikely to be

you $10'000? (worked together 200 hours)? Or better on the reverse, how many lifetime you got stolen?

targeted, so it's fine.

ofrnxmr, I think that requiring a merchant to use a phone is also not good, because merchants include the grannies on the train station that we buy berries from.

"Merchant scans it, you enter your pin, funds are swept from the card then change is loaded onto the card" <- will end up in exploiting the system just like cash, if I can invest some time and have 1000x to inifite return, be sure there are people working on.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Merchant doesnr need to use a phone

vThor that's why metals are good for money. They can't be counterfeited.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "cant be counterfeited" lol

yep

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Never seen a shaved coin?

physically impossilbe

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or a fake gold bar?

yes, that's not an example of counterfeited metal but a of debased coin

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There are (literal) tonnes of counterfeit metals

nope

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yes

of course no chemical compound or element can be counterfeited

Well use metals, I'm in favor, as long it is not attachted to the beast, but I think it is not viable like XMR only life.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> do you think you can buy gold / silver on the market and not test it? Safely?

that's not what I said. Of course it needs to be tested

"of course no chemical compound or element can be counterfeited" how you want to test it on the street buying a bread and a water?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ive sold silver and had ppl show up with ice cubes and scales (lol)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> +1

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Which is my point. Its not a viable currency if it requires testing at the point of sale

ofrnxmr, I thought that was referring to "qr/nfc". And if this is leading to a wallet - how'd you know in advance that what you got wasn't emptied before?

notice that 'electronic money' depends on a very long list of testing, assumptions, integrity of software, hardware etc

it's just hidden

XMR-only life seems dystopian due to tying your finances to Internet and a connected device still.

"ofrnxmr, I thought that was referring to "qr/nfc". And if this is leading to a wallet - how'd you know in advance that what you got wasn't emptied before?" <- if it is not on a chain you can fake it, it is that easy

Yeah, and thus you'd need to still carry a phone and check the "bills" you received from a buyer or the ones the merchant gave you for a change!

"XMR-only life seems dystopian due to tying your finances to Internet and a connected device still." <- not necessarily, still thinking how to improve it easy. And I will come up with solutions. I'm sure and confident on that.

I could easily imagine a more dystopian life than having to use monero. Especially today. Or yesterday. But then it's me I guess.

"Yeah, and thus you'd need to still carry a phone and check the "bills" you received from a buyer or the ones the merchant gave you for a change!" <- phone is only the cheapest option right now, but still right now IMO you payment device could have the size of an RSA token

BlueyHealer: And what restricts you to use every day a new wallet?

Then again, having to use monero to keep an abortion private is kinda dystopian.

moneromooo, true - but that doesn't mean that CASH should be replaced with it!

Also, there would be a problem of scaling.

"hen again, having to use monero to keep an abortion private is kinda dystopian." <- :D

Many people just fail to see how something they see as a threat can be a shield when the shoe in an another foot. And now... the shoe is soon going to be.

on the other

BlueyHealer: I'm facinated about you are so tied to cash. But local currency would be still cash for you or only gov issued cash?

moneromooo, and I wouldn't rely on Monero (or pretty much any technology) to not have undiscovered flaws, or not to get weakened with progress of surveillance tools. So if I were to use Monero (or Tor, or whatever else) for something sensitive, better layer).

For years I've seen monero as a way to hide from fascists when they finally get into power, since they've slowly risen for like 20 years.

vThor, yeah, a non-government-issued cash would be as nice. I am just not sure on the logistics of it.

moneromooo have you noticed that the whole 'digital infrastructure' is controlled by those same fascists?

Were there such examples in history? Would hobbyists be able to protect from counterfeiting on a necessary scale?

look into local currency, I plan to find conntact them on the way and try to convince them to tie the value of there local cash to xr instead of fiat and interconnect local currency.

Hard to miss. Used to be universities and such.

"Were there such examples in history? Would hobbyists be able to protect from counterfeiting on a necessary scale?" <- there is and the note just as (un)proffesional then the gov issued notes...

I would be investing into at the very least a single-board computer as a home server, once I find one for $70 or below :(

vThor, again, not sure how exactly this is doable... But my main point is that a digital payment system MUST NOT become primary. Government, non-government - whatever, as long as it does not tie your finances to the internet and to owning a phone or computer.

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freitaler unfortunately there is no english tranlation, but firefox, google or local llm should do, try to find pictures.

Local LLM. EEEWWWW

Never heard of this... Will take a look. Forgot German almost entirely, lol

"I would be investing into at the very least a single-board computer as a home server, once I find one for $70 or below :(" <- a mini pc you get normally cheaper, but you get also SBC below that price.

need to go. But I think local issues cash and monero could be complementary how there is an overlap in some targets IMO.

Monero and cash are indeed complementary. Just as long as they're used where they're supposed to.

Also, I would rather have the server fanless, otherwise I know the sound would be bothering me. I know I can be kept up at night by much less noticeable sounds, like the high-pitched singing of a power supply. As for SBCs - I have seen some Raspberries for that price, but I would rather futureproof it and buy more than 1 gig of RAM, and those are either out of stock in the local resellers, or

closer to $100 or above :(

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >monneta

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> "please donate"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >bank transfer and paypal

:D

lol

BlueyHealer: I have a pi 4 2GB with an issue

What issue?

Also yeah, Pis are usually expensive, at least here. Maybe will look at secondhand ones.