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<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> hello everyone

hi mani

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> my ISP charges me for data transfer; does mining monero transfer lots of data?

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> my ISP charges me for data transfer; does mining monero upload or download lots of data?

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> I mean does it upload or download more than 1 megabit per second?

you'll have to download the entire monero blockchain, when you first start

and also keep downloading the blockchain while mining

(for new blocks to mine)

so i'd say, more or less, yeah

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> that's going to be expensive

you don't have to download the entire blockchain if you mine off of a remote node

but you'd still need to communicate with the remote node for new blocks

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> the monero cli client gives me this warning:

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> ```

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> The daemon is not set up to background mine.

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> With background mining enabled, the daemon will mine when idle and not on battery.

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> Enabling this supports the network you are using, and makes you eligible for receiving new monero

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> ```

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> so there's no way to be eligible for receiving monero without mining it?

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> the monero cli client gives me this warning:

you don't need to download the blockchain in order to mine

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> ```

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> The daemon is not set up to background mine.

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> With background mining enabled, the daemon will mine when idle and not on battery.

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> Enabling this supports the network you are using, and makes you eligible for receiving new monero

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> ```

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> so does that mean there's no way to be eligible for receiving monero without mining it?

it's better to use a dedicated miner than use the less efficient one that is built into the CLI or GUI

you can get monero by buying or mining it, you don't get it for free :)

you don't need a node to mine

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> I think I didn't ask my question clearly: is there no way of buying monero without mining it?

yours or remote

you can buy without mining

they are separate

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> so I don't need to set up the daemon to be eligible for receiving new monero?

you use either your local daemon or a remote one run by somebody else

best to run your own if you can

the wallet and daemon are separate, wallet needs to connect to a synced daemon

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> how do I set up the daemon without mining monero?

download the monero software and run monerod

the d means daemon

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> sorry if these are dumb questions I'm new to this cryptocurrency thing

np :)

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> yeah I know that

you really need an SSD as using a HDD will take a very long time

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> so I have to download some large part of the blockchain regardless of mining or just buying monero?

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> ```

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> The daemon will start synchronizing with the network. This may take a long time to complete.

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> ```

the entire blockchain which is now ~215GB or you can download a pruned node which is less, I forget exactly how big a pruned node is, may 40%

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> max 90GB

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or if you don't have the storaget, use a trusted remote node

the other option is using a remote node which is a node run by somebody else that allows people to connect their wallets to it

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> 86GB is a lot

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i know right

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> how safe is a remote note?

<m​ani4d46:drgnz.club> and were to find a trusted one?

indeed, thats the question

a remote node will know your IP addresss and has the ability to make you pay a large fee which you can avoid paying because you need to approve the fee before sending

the fee thing is very rare

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Remote node are safe if you trust it. If you use an unknown node, it can in worst case scenarios weaken privacy of your transaction on the blockchain by manipulating what information the wallet request. Also obviously they will be able to attest that this client (your ip address) sent transaction X. If you use a VPN/Tor you don't need to worry about it a lot. But manipulation is still a thing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nioc There is a warning for large fees in monero GUI

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> a big red message saying WAIT ITS SUS THE FEES ARE TOO LARGE

thx, I never use it

does it actually say "its sus"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mani4d46: hold on i'll pull up the one i trust from monero.fail

prolly not. monero's professional

true

this aint wownero

monero is like a middle-aged man

while wownero is his zoomer brother

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - node.sethforprivacy.com

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - xmr-node-eu.cakewallet.com:18081 (This is from Cake Wallet infrastructure)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - monero.stackwallet.com:18081 (This one from Stack Wallet)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - node.monerodevs.org:18089

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Prefer the https one.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I trust them because I know to an extent members operating these nodes

also for extra privacy if you want, you can use tor

while communicating with remote nodes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes this 100%

yeah but how do you set that up with the GUI

monero GUI has a checkbox for using a proxy while communicating with a remote node

and price sources

and tor has a nice windows app?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gingeropolous i've always used Advanced mode and in daemon setting there is a remote node section where you can add whatever node you want

i think SOCKS5, by default it uses 127.0.0.1:9050

which is what tor listens on locally

node node2 node3 @monerodevs (node3 is hetzner so has more bandwidth/faster)

man, dats some $$

well the auction ones aren't that bad...

<o​hchase:envs.net> ditto i used simple mode when learning and then in advanced I just set it to use my own remote node

<o​hchase:envs.net> ditto i used simple mode when learning and then as I understood the pros and cons more used advanced and set it to use my own remote node

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<b​asses:matrix.org> seems very trust worthy, joe biden quit his U.S minimum wage job to trade crypto 🚀

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "Min wage job" >> got rich as vp and p

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i heard ice cream

how much for 2 tubs of it :P

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<3​21bob321:monero.social> I wouldnt use sith lords, it gets pumped by xmrbazzar

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Stack Wallet node is the most reliable one. Cake also has great uptime but I think it has a rate limit on some endpoints. If you wanna use it for a payment gateway I guess that matters.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll just drop here the fact that Cake nodes have the whole blockchain in RAM.

I hope it's ECC memory then

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sech1 i hope too lmao

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its DC so i guess yeah

Not sure, can be Hetzner with desktop PCs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sech1 i know no consumer mobo that can have 300GB of RAM

Threadrippers?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> aren't they mandatory ecc?

384 GB RAM max on DDR5 mobos (8 memory slots)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh

No, ECC is supported but not mandatory

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i see alright

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Actually where did you hear about this?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i asked them directly

But if they run on EPYC servers then yes, ECC memory

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Intel is for loser

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Interesting, because they consulted Digilol about how to fix their load issues when their nodes were getting hammered months ago and that was one of our suggestions

yes amd is so much bette than intel. amd doesn't have any blatant backdoors

better*

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Made them an infra graph which they apparently went on to implement alone :D

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i got that info before the spam happened

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i got that probably mid 2023

<s​iren:kernal.eu> They were using VPS before that

<s​iren:kernal.eu> And I remember discussing about disk type and usage so no way it was in memory

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i got disinformation 💀

FWIW I do remember this being said before.

It might have been temporary for all I know.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Maybe they meant LMDB cache in memory

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah, they have like 256gb of ram dedicated to the nodes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lmdb, by default, uses free ram when possible aiui

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i think this is just default linux mmap behavior

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hyc had said b4 that lmdb intentionally allocates as much free ram as possible

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But doesn't block other apps from using it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Either way, cake's real issue was 1. Their broken background sync 2. Many p2p connections while (1) was forcing wallets to ddos their nodes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Having multiple wallets sync from genesis uses a lot of resources on the node. Add a large txpool and 100 p2p connections and youre essentially ddosing yourself

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monerod skill issue

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Their broken bg sync would cause wallets to corrupt repeatedly, forcing resyncs

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Anyone going to FOSDEM early next month?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> We can try claiming a birds of a feather room if there will be many people fosdem.org/2025/news/2025-01-18-bof-rooms

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Else meet in the cafeteria as usual but it's been getting very crowded there

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> As a large language model, I cannot go to the FOSDEM early next month? I would be happy to assist you into any other inquiries

<s​iren:kernal.eu> They'd protest if you came 💀 some people are nuts

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Also Jack Dorsey's crypto company is their main sponsor this year. I guess they weren't so anti crypto but they still refused a Monero stand.

why would they refuse a monero stand

ethereum is literally worse than monero 100x

and yet, jack dorsey's company specializes in that

Becuse some people are only pro-crypto in the sense of an industry?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Cindy: they said there were too many stand applications this year.

Were there Monero stands before

?

ah

<s​iren:kernal.eu> There weren't

ethereum feels like a scam, to be honest

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I don't believe that was the reason when refusing us. Last year they gave a stand to projects with 50 stars that nobody has ever heard of.

I can't imagine how you'd use a network with fees more than my biggest purchases...

siren, lol

you put money in it... for you to put money in it again to do literally anything with your money (due to FEES)

BlueyHealer: i have 12 dollars stuck in my ethereum wallet

:-) Some joker is entering all my IPs on monero.fail. This is total nonsense. There is only one monerod running in each subnet 185.220.101.32/27 & 185.177.207.192/27

that i can't do anything about, because i have no money for fees

i can't send it to anyone

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It is good to give small projects opportunity but these people had nothing to show and tell for a whole 2 days. And I asked to fit us in any one day...

siren: some people are irrationally anti-crypto

i am anti-crypto in the sense i find NFTs or "tokens" (shitcoins) to be stupid

Cindy, that's very understandble, given WHAT out of this is in the spotlight - moneymaking.

I find it stupid when people use it in the same way they'd use stocks or other investments.

me too

it has gotten so worse, that if you ask anyone what's the best crypto to have, they assume what's the best crypto to INVEST IN

rather than to use as an actual currency

and you get recommended some absolutely unusable cryptocurrencies (like bitcoin and ethereum, with their massive fees)

:(

bitcoin's actual peak was in 2017, i remember the fees being very little back then

i could receive like 40 cents in bitcoin without any problems

(40 cents back then)

To be fair, I haven't used Bitcoin so don't know the scope of the problem - but with ETH I did red that it makes it unusable. Really sad that BTC is much more frequently accepted :(

i used ETH due to curiosity

Back in 2017, I only remember BTC from the news in context of "stocks" so ye, understand this.

and i ended up losing most of money in fees :P

How much did you lose, if it's not painful to say?

about 80 dollars or so

overall

if i tried to lower my fees just a little

my transactions wouldn't pass until next yea

year*

i'm glad i only put like

a few hundred dollars in it lol

holy shit

and don't forget the dumb L2 debate

I don't even have few hundred dollars in my savings! That sounds painful. Sorry you experienced that...

"oh you should have used polygon"

"oh you should have used blacrock, polygon sucks"

"THOSE NETWORKS SUCK, USE SOLANA"

why tf should i worry about what network i should use in a cryptocurrency

BlueyHealer: to be quite honest, those hundreds of dollars were what my friend gave me >.>;

That's even more painful :_(

don't worry, i still got plenty in my monero wallet

just that i regret making that exchange from XMR to ETH lol

Wow, not minding such a loss?

BlueyHealer: i mean

what can i really do?

money's gone

I mean not grieving.

Were you also unaware of such a drawback before?

i was kinda aware

i intended the money to be disposable anyway

Having disposable hundreds of dollars... I hope to be t this point eventually.

disposable moneroj**

ftfy

BlueyHealer: i budgeted

also when i said hundreds of dollars

it was like

200

253 actually

<wearethelifersyetagain> hundreds implies more than that lmao

i like to be very unspecific about my amount

sorry for being stupid lol

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bogsuv: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

bogsuv: 0.00047551 XMR (≈$0.10)

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Cindy: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

Cindy: 0 XMR

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