<u​mask777:decred.org> so day one pardon for Ross was a lie eh

<u​mask777:decred.org> i'm shocked

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the polymarket is for 100 days

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> trump made like 300 different "i do that on day one" promises

trump says shit to get votes

and then he does what he wants

if you asked him, he wouldn't have a clue about who the fuck is Ross

<u​mask777:decred.org> i will hold my breath for 100 days but not a single second longer 😜

he just nods along to get votes

<u​mask777:decred.org> he definitely has no clue who Ross is

<u​mask777:decred.org> doesn't give a fuck about the LP or McCardle or feel beholden to promises he made them at all

<u​mask777:decred.org> and will probably need to ensure he keeps law enforcement lobbies placated given the likelihood of general unrest, so

<u​mask777:decred.org> i'll believe he'll free Ross when i see it

gingeropolous xmrchain.net is down

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Moneroworld ?

sech1, thanks. restarted the service... 600% cpu.... its probably the api

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gotta rewrite the API in Rust you know

rust is everything

"Don't use the API" lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> discuss.privacyguides.net/t/suggest…n-elaborate-how-to-get-monero/16817

I just disabled some of the heavy APIs on p2pool.io/explorer/

seriously. its like, its a damn p2p network

ah, I didn't even enable JSON API

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh so thats why my sech1p2poolexplorerddoskiller.exe stopped working

Merchants using a free api for their payment processor keep getting away with it !

they can't keep getting away with it

Damn those meddling kids...

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> back in my day there was respect to api providers

Ah yes, those good people supplying the community with bees. Those were the days.

payment processor?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<p​lowsof> Merchants using a free api for their payment processor keep getting away with it !" Lmao,, true story

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/514

there's no infura here

<x​clark:matrix.org> What is the go-to monero hardware wallet?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you just sparked a war

<x​clark:matrix.org> lol

<x​clark:matrix.org> I've heard that Trezor and Ledger both sort of have Monero support but I'm iffy on buying a ledger given their track record for security events

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think Cake Wallet just received support for Keystone wallet this month

<b​asses:matrix.org> very exciting

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think keystone is essentially the same ur stuff as anonero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> so it should work with anonero, feather and xmruw as well

I remember Ledger from having a breach lol

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I remember Trezor from having an exploit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which one doesn't

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> arguably

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NO YOUR THINKPAD 410S IS NOT A HARDWARE WALLET

<b​asses:matrix.org> 0-click deanonymization attack targeting Signal, Discord and hundreds of platform

<b​asses:matrix.org> gist.github.com/hackermondev/45a3cdfa52246f1d1201c1e8cdef6117

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is that the cdn cloudflare thing?

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lol, love the "deanonymization", you get access to broader location

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lol, love the "deanonymization", you get access to broader location thats all

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Signal instantly dismissed my report, saying it wasn't their responsibility and it was up to users to hide their identity

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMFAO

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP

signal sucks

i'd rather use simpleX

signal is like one of the worst chat platforms considering that they force you to have a phone number

force you to use their official clients

<b​asses:matrix.org> LOOOOOL

<b​asses:matrix.org> cucks

shadowban you if you use an unofficial client

this gist is a lesson on why you shouldn't use cloudflare anyway

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, signal basically banned me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> refused to relay my msgs, redirected me to some bs captcha that never worked, then when it dkd work... i still couldn't send msgs

people at signal were too much of a pussy to tell me they banned me for using signal-cli

ofrnxmr: that's the same thing i had

send something, get told to solve a captcha, i do, and then it tells me "verification failed"

signal-cli tells you to wait 24 hours

i waited 24 hours, and then the captchas magically worekd

worked*

it's like signal-cli KNOWS something that the official signal clients doesn't want to tell me

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> All Im asking is simpleX written in Rust with PQ KEX for groups

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is that so hard

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Groups are hard

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They arent real groups

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> only because bro only know how to program in haskell

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They are a bunch of 1:1 chats all mashed into one chatlog

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> haskell causes so many fucking issues

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> for one the deb won't even run properly on my machine

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> it just crashes

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> file picker is terrible (java)

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> ui is so buggy

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> also consumes so much memory

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they are already doing it with curve25519, the only difference is processing time because S-NTRU is slower

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and yes i've read the SimpleX protocol definition, we're on the same page

why is there no documentation on how monero multisig works

i had to read a ton of source code for programs that use it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Cindy there are lot of parts of monero that are undocumented sir

multisig API works*

understandable

<b​asses:matrix.org> discuss.privacyguides.net/t/0click-…discord-and-other-platforms/24244/4

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> quick quick abandon (Signal) ship

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we're sinking bad

Cindy, well, they don't force official client - in fact, they forced me to use a third-party one because their official one would not let me register both on my desktop and recently - on my degoogled phone. No problem with Signal-cli or Molly respectively. But ye, dislike how they act passive-aggressive towards third-party clients.

I did not get shadowbanned, but I couldn't bind a GUI client. Given it is Electron, might've been a good thing.

<b​asses:matrix.org> what "degoogled phone" u use?

crispycat, YES on the memory! Also I can't know where the moderation proposals will go.

basses, why are you asking? Is this a question with a catch? I just meant by this that no Google services is running there.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer are you schizophrenic?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> where did crispycat and basses talked to you?

Just before my messages.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Can't see them on the matrix side

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Siren (comfy): am i blind?

Doesn't display to you? Must be matrix joking. He's on matrix.org.

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> pwned (sort of) by a 15 year old and clownflare

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> that's impressive

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> i've never considered signal to be anonymous, given the phone number thing

Wonder if monero.social is being buggy.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I imagine there's one way to go with this. Signal restructures their API and they duplicate the uploaded files (sounds inefficient but reverse proxying the CDN to prevent this would beat the purpose of the CDN), serve each user a unique CDN link to not leak the identifier. Doubling or tripling their CDN costs in the process.

crispycat, they openly say they are not aiming for this... Which does make it unusable for everything but people you know IRL. I cannot imagine not having separate identities for different groups.

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, catch is that if it is not GrapheneOS then it is not truely "degoogled OS" but rather a custom ROM. eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> yeah that's pretty much how i use it

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> mostly just family

It is Graphene.

The only family I use a messenger with is mom, and she uses Jabber with me.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> basses is rando, and he just replied with 'what "degoogled phone" u use?'

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ooooooooh i see thx

Your server must be delivering out of order then... Looks fine to me and apparently to them.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer it delivered it's just that basses pseudo is "rando" not basses

ah lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> now i see his account is basses:matrix.org

Bridge displays by usernamr

<b​asses:matrix.org> hey basses, I'm rando

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 👍

<b​asses:matrix.org> tell her to use IRC lol

Anyway, Signal just bugged out. Also it would've been unusable for me because it requires its own type of proxy for some reason!

<b​asses:matrix.org> hopefully it is not xmpp.ru MITM in real-time

Molly, in comparison, allows arbitrary Socks. So that you can at least use your normal proxy! Requiring a separate proxy for yourself for no reason is so dumb!

<b​asses:matrix.org> most xmpp servers I have seen run a very outdated version for some reason

basses, nah, a personal one. Version is up-to-date

Just checked

<b​asses:matrix.org> good

Also, Signal's own proxy implementation was called out for being flawed. Yet it is the only one the official app allows lol. Sure, you can use a VPN with it - but you might not want to have your VPN always-on just to get notifications. Also - are Signal's notifications tied to Google services? Not used it enough to pay attention.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Signal uses google fcm or whatever

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So does session fwiw

<b​asses:matrix.org> Session is over

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Openmonero skem was trying to tell me how great session was

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Didnt believe me when i said oxen is dead

<b​asses:matrix.org> SimpleX is margin better

Simplex at least uses its own notification service.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Oxen and Lokinet has been dead before it even started

But how much memory it eats on desktop is ridiculous... More than my browser on average!

<b​asses:matrix.org> talking about their cryptography choices

syntheticbird, ye. I cannot imagine an average Joe, who can run a Tor or I2P node just fine, casually risking hundreds of dollars to help Lokinet :/ So guess it is either cryptobros hoping for returns, or companies/govt agencies.

<b​asses:matrix.org> their decentralization idea has been always terrible

<b​asses:matrix.org> to run an oxen node you need to be elon

lol yes

lol, proof of stake sucks

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Haven't heard of it?

oh it's eco friendly, but you have to be rich to min

mine*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is the no perfect forward secrecy issue ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> discuss.privacyguides.net/t/don-t-u…e-session-signal-fork-article/24006

<b​asses:matrix.org> there's a 2nd blog too

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ah ok yeah the PFS issue

can someone point me to a good resource to get up to speed on atomic swaps to/from bitcoin and any good recommendations for where I can do these?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what do you want 2 know?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How they work? Or how to do them?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the furry strikes again

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just realizing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's always him

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> are we underestimating the impact of pornography into the cryptography industry?

<b​asses:matrix.org> compare it to Signal bootlickers

<b​asses:matrix.org> a lot of fanboying on HN and reddit

<s​gp_:monero.social> magicgrants.org/2025/01/21/Monero-Fund-2025-Election-Results.html

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks for sharing