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<umask777:decred.org> so day one pardon for Ross was a lie eh
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<umask777:decred.org> i'm shocked
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<monerobull:matrix.org> the polymarket is for 100 days
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<monerobull:matrix.org> trump made like 300 different "i do that on day one" promises
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Cindy
trump says shit to get votes
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Cindy
and then he does what he wants
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Cindy
if you asked him, he wouldn't have a clue about who the fuck is Ross
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<umask777:decred.org> i will hold my breath for 100 days but not a single second longer 😜
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Cindy
he just nods along to get votes
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<umask777:decred.org> he definitely has no clue who Ross is
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<umask777:decred.org> doesn't give a fuck about the LP or McCardle or feel beholden to promises he made them at all
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<umask777:decred.org> and will probably need to ensure he keeps law enforcement lobbies placated given the likelihood of general unrest, so
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<umask777:decred.org> i'll believe he'll free Ross when i see it
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gingeropolous
xmrchain.net is down
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<321bob321:monero.social> Moneroworld ?
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gingeropolous
sech1, thanks. restarted the service... 600% cpu.... its probably the api
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> gotta rewrite the API in Rust you know
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gingeropolous
rust is everything
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sech1
"Don't use the API" lol
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sech1
I just disabled some of the heavy APIs on p2pool.io/explorer/
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gingeropolous
seriously. its like, its a damn p2p network
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sech1
ah, I didn't even enable JSON API
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> oh so thats why my sech1p2poolexplorerddoskiller.exe stopped working
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plowsof
Merchants using a free api for their payment processor keep getting away with it !
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Cindy
they can't keep getting away with it
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moneromooo
Damn those meddling kids...
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> back in my day there was respect to api providers
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moneromooo
Ah yes, those good people supplying the community with bees. Those were the days.
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gingeropolous
payment processor?
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "<plowsof> Merchants using a free api for their payment processor keep getting away with it !" Lmao,, true story
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gingeropolous
there's no infura here
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<xclark:matrix.org> What is the go-to monero hardware wallet?
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> you just sparked a war
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<xclark:matrix.org> lol
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<xclark:matrix.org> I've heard that Trezor and Ledger both sort of have Monero support but I'm iffy on buying a ledger given their track record for security events
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> I think Cake Wallet just received support for Keystone wallet this month
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<basses:matrix.org> very exciting
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I think keystone is essentially the same ur stuff as anonero
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so it should work with anonero, feather and xmruw as well
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BlueyHealer
I remember Ledger from having a breach lol
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> I remember Trezor from having an exploit
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> which one doesn't
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> arguably
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> NO YOUR THINKPAD 410S IS NOT A HARDWARE WALLET
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<basses:matrix.org> 0-click deanonymization attack targeting Signal, Discord and hundreds of platform
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> is that the cdn cloudflare thing?
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<basses:matrix.org> yes
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> lol, love the "deanonymization", you get access to broader location
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> lol, love the "deanonymization", you get access to broader location thats all
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> > Signal instantly dismissed my report, saying it wasn't their responsibility and it was up to users to hide their identity
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> LMFAO
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP
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Cindy
signal sucks
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Cindy
i'd rather use simpleX
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Cindy
signal is like one of the worst chat platforms considering that they force you to have a phone number
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Cindy
force you to use their official clients
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<basses:matrix.org> LOOOOOL
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<basses:matrix.org> cucks
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Cindy
shadowban you if you use an unofficial client
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Cindy
this gist is a lesson on why you shouldn't use cloudflare anyway
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, signal basically banned me
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> refused to relay my msgs, redirected me to some bs captcha that never worked, then when it dkd work... i still couldn't send msgs
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Cindy
people at signal were too much of a pussy to tell me they banned me for using signal-cli
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Cindy
ofrnxmr: that's the same thing i had
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Cindy
send something, get told to solve a captcha, i do, and then it tells me "verification failed"
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Cindy
signal-cli tells you to wait 24 hours
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Cindy
i waited 24 hours, and then the captchas magically worekd
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Cindy
worked*
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Cindy
it's like signal-cli KNOWS something that the official signal clients doesn't want to tell me
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> All Im asking is simpleX written in Rust with PQ KEX for groups
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> is that so hard
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Groups are hard
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> They arent real groups
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> only because bro only know how to program in haskell
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> They are a bunch of 1:1 chats all mashed into one chatlog
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<crispycat:calitabby.net> haskell causes so many fucking issues
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<crispycat:calitabby.net> for one the deb won't even run properly on my machine
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<crispycat:calitabby.net> it just crashes
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<crispycat:calitabby.net> file picker is terrible (java)
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<crispycat:calitabby.net> ui is so buggy
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<crispycat:calitabby.net> also consumes so much memory
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> they are already doing it with curve25519, the only difference is processing time because S-NTRU is slower
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> and yes i've read the SimpleX protocol definition, we're on the same page
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Cindy
why is there no documentation on how monero multisig works
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Cindy
i had to read a ton of source code for programs that use it
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> Cindy there are lot of parts of monero that are undocumented sir
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Cindy
multisig API works*
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Cindy
understandable
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> quick quick abandon (Signal) ship
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> we're sinking bad
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BlueyHealer
Cindy, well, they don't force official client - in fact, they forced me to use a third-party one because their official one would not let me register both on my desktop and recently - on my degoogled phone. No problem with Signal-cli or Molly respectively. But ye, dislike how they act passive-aggressive towards third-party clients.
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BlueyHealer
I did not get shadowbanned, but I couldn't bind a GUI client. Given it is Electron, might've been a good thing.
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<basses:matrix.org> what "degoogled phone" u use?
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BlueyHealer
crispycat, YES on the memory! Also I can't know where the moderation proposals will go.
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BlueyHealer
basses, why are you asking? Is this a question with a catch? I just meant by this that no Google services is running there.
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer are you schizophrenic?
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> where did crispycat and basses talked to you?
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BlueyHealer
Just before my messages.
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> Can't see them on the matrix side
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> Siren (comfy): am i blind?
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BlueyHealer
Doesn't display to you? Must be matrix joking. He's on matrix.org.
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<crispycat:calitabby.net> pwned (sort of) by a 15 year old and clownflare
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<crispycat:calitabby.net> that's impressive
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<crispycat:calitabby.net> i've never considered signal to be anonymous, given the phone number thing
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BlueyHealer
Wonder if monero.social is being buggy.
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<siren:kernal.eu> I imagine there's one way to go with this. Signal restructures their API and they duplicate the uploaded files (sounds inefficient but reverse proxying the CDN to prevent this would beat the purpose of the CDN), serve each user a unique CDN link to not leak the identifier. Doubling or tripling their CDN costs in the process.
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BlueyHealer
crispycat, they openly say they are not aiming for this... Which does make it unusable for everything but people you know IRL. I cannot imagine not having separate identities for different groups.
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<basses:matrix.org> yes, catch is that if it is not GrapheneOS then it is not truely "degoogled OS" but rather a custom ROM.
eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm
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<crispycat:calitabby.net> yeah that's pretty much how i use it
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<crispycat:calitabby.net> mostly just family
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BlueyHealer
It is Graphene.
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BlueyHealer
The only family I use a messenger with is mom, and she uses Jabber with me.
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<siren:kernal.eu> basses is rando, and he just replied with 'what "degoogled phone" u use?'
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> ooooooooh i see thx
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BlueyHealer
Your server must be delivering out of order then... Looks fine to me and apparently to them.
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer it delivered it's just that basses pseudo is "rando" not basses
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BlueyHealer
ah lol
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> now i see his account is basses:matrix.org
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BlueyHealer
Bridge displays by usernamr
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<basses:matrix.org> hey basses, I'm rando
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> 👍
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<basses:matrix.org> tell her to use IRC lol
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BlueyHealer
Anyway, Signal just bugged out. Also it would've been unusable for me because it requires its own type of proxy for some reason!
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<basses:matrix.org> hopefully it is not xmpp.ru MITM in real-time
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BlueyHealer
Molly, in comparison, allows arbitrary Socks. So that you can at least use your normal proxy! Requiring a separate proxy for yourself for no reason is so dumb!
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<basses:matrix.org> most xmpp servers I have seen run a very outdated version for some reason
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BlueyHealer
basses, nah, a personal one. Version is up-to-date
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BlueyHealer
Just checked
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<basses:matrix.org> good
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BlueyHealer
Also, Signal's own proxy implementation was called out for being flawed. Yet it is the only one the official app allows lol. Sure, you can use a VPN with it - but you might not want to have your VPN always-on just to get notifications. Also - are Signal's notifications tied to Google services? Not used it enough to pay attention.
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Signal uses google fcm or whatever
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So does session fwiw
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<basses:matrix.org> Session is over
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Openmonero skem was trying to tell me how great session was
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Didnt believe me when i said oxen is dead
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<basses:matrix.org> SimpleX is margin better
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BlueyHealer
Simplex at least uses its own notification service.
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> Oxen and Lokinet has been dead before it even started
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BlueyHealer
But how much memory it eats on desktop is ridiculous... More than my browser on average!
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<basses:matrix.org> talking about their cryptography choices
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BlueyHealer
syntheticbird, ye. I cannot imagine an average Joe, who can run a Tor or I2P node just fine, casually risking hundreds of dollars to help Lokinet :/ So guess it is either cryptobros hoping for returns, or companies/govt agencies.
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<basses:matrix.org> their decentralization idea has been always terrible
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<basses:matrix.org> to run an oxen node you need to be elon
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BlueyHealer
lol yes
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Cindy
lol, proof of stake sucks
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> Haven't heard of it?
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Cindy
oh it's eco friendly, but you have to be rich to min
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Cindy
mine*
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> is the no perfect forward secrecy issue ?
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<basses:matrix.org> there's a 2nd blog too
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> ah ok yeah the PFS issue
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rojiro
can someone point me to a good resource to get up to speed on atomic swaps to/from bitcoin and any good recommendations for where I can do these?
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> what do you want 2 know?
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> How they work? Or how to do them?
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> the furry strikes again
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> just realizing
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> it's always him
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> are we underestimating the impact of pornography into the cryptography industry?
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<basses:matrix.org> compare it to Signal bootlickers
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<basses:matrix.org> a lot of fanboying on HN and reddit
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks for sharing