<l​ialh4:lialh4.cyou> i want to run monerod of monero-gui flatpak version as systemd service and let the monerod log to systemd journal, that's my config, the monerod successfully start, but the output not going to journal zerobin.net/?1b364c5edae39298#dicXR…9/lUz2RzT0SA1u9b6xbSZDGw8tDCCbvqCY=

<l​ialh4:lialh4.cyou> systemd default redirect stdout to its journal, and i use ```--log-file /dev/stdout``` for monerod, but there's no log in journal

<l​ialh4:lialh4.cyou> finilly get it resolved after infinity tries, i upload relevant file to pastebin for others references zerobin.net/?e34317cdd7b35353#0qI/T…lsol85eysuznrX6pnTClNaDu63zVndKpKI=

<l​ialh4:lialh4.cyou> it can boot monerod of monero-gui flatpak version as systemd service and redirect log to systemd journal, also wait monerod to gently shutdown when stop systemd service to not corrupt the lmdb

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Siren: you stopped being Comfy wtf ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Siren's leg fell asleep

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/rQkStYuPVOdugCDjOquCYcFi

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #moneron-offtopic out of context

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #monero-offtopic out of context

<d​arkhappyman:monero.social> Glad to be alive (even with context it's the same)

what's the picture

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…OdugCDjOquCYcFi?allow_redirect=true

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cindy, its the discussion in offtopic

i see, i still can't see it because of whatever shit matrix is pulling on me

(telling me "not found")

read offtopic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Darkhappyman speaking hapinese

<b​asses:matrix.org> day 10000 mentioning that monero.com have google trackers

go complain at cake wallet

cake wallet LLC

<wearethelifersyetagain> why are you guys complaining about trackers, just use linux, firefox tracking protection, and ublock origin, and then you're unbeatable

do you use discord desktop client?

<wearethelifersyetagain> no

<wearethelifersyetagain> vencord

same thing

pot calling kettle black

<wearethelifersyetagain> but you can disable sending typing indicator and it blocks the discord tracking api 🙃

<a​tomfried:matrix.org> The monero stablecoin algorithm broken, price seems to move, the CEO has to step in

yes, the ceo of monero, john monero

i'm quite aware of him

in a serious note, what are you talking about

on*

cake wallet is squatting monero.com, this is not our site.

^

<e​longated:matrix.org> Initially didn’t they offer to takeover the domain for what they had paid to acquire it ?

Yes. Some stupid price, I want to say 10k but memory's hazy.

tbh i'd register an anonymous LLC and register "monero" as a trademark

If by takeover you mean sell it to the monero core team.

to prevent people from domain-squatting

(but it's garbage to have to deal with squatters in the first place)

Cindy | do you use discord desktop client? <- Why not a browser in this case? We probably all have a "garbage" browser lol

<wearethelifersyetagain> if you run discord in your browser, you can't apply mods :3

ah. Very fair! What mods do you use?

tampermonkey

there are discord mods that are just userscripts

<wearethelifersyetagain> you don't have this huh

<wearethelifersyetagain> cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/6455…83556e66a5e4531c3555a47e38fbeb403e&

<wearethelifersyetagain> for example instead of image.png, you'd see something randomly generated

<wearethelifersyetagain> yes, r9ZGqME.png

<wearethelifersyetagain> you can stay in dm calls with one person forever, skip link verification, check a user's reputation, hop along with someone else when listening to spotify

<e​longated:matrix.org> So they atleast didn’t misuse the domain like bitcoin.com 😅

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> wasn't it 800k? 🤔

that's like extortion at that point

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the xmr equivalent was doated to the generalfund to cover it by someone , but i guess it wasn't a good use of funds and there was a refund window offered

tbh, all the reasons to register a trademark

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 300-400k sorry monero.observer/2500-xmr-anon-donation-monero-general-fund

(in an ideal world, you wouldn't have to though)

<e​longated:matrix.org> monero-project/meta #730

ah?

i wonder if you already have a trademark

like why not file a lawsuit against cake wallet LLC under ACPA

because it seems like what they're doing (offering the domain monero.com for a huge amount of money) violates that

<e​longated:matrix.org> They were just asking for the amount they paid to acquire that domain.

huh

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yes

<s​gp_:monero.social> There were a host of issues with the transfer, some practical. The core team didn't really set up an entity with strong protections to receive the transfer to register the domain, so it wouldn't have enjoyed strong protections. So in effect it was like saying "give this domain to the community by transferring it to this one person with no legal protections". I suggested a restrict<clipped message>

<s​gp_:monero.social> ed donation to a nonprofit charity setup but it wasn't set up or considered. So... here we are in the status quo

<s​gp_:monero.social> You can be upset Cake has it, but realistically the core team never set up a reasonable infrastructure to accept it and manage it safely, and the community consensus seemed to be that they didn't want to reimburse Cake the cost it took to buy it in the first place. You could say Cake should donate it to a single member of the core team without protections anyway, but I don't reall<clipped message>

<s​gp_:monero.social> y consider that reasonable either

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - Core took like 2 yrs to do a transparency report

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - core received 400k for the domain

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - when ccs was down, core disnt use the 400k to keep things moving

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> instead, core accepted ANOTHER 400j donation from the same entity before development was "restarted"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i think ppl saying "transfer it to the same ppl who received million(s?) in donation, but failed to keep development going, it entirely misguided

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its more anti-cake than it is pro-monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ccs was literally down for 1/3rd of 2023, and the generalfund was absolutely silent. Same entity donated 400k to restart ccs, as if we didnt already have a 400k surplus

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 400k donation = not used = extra -> 400k lost = still have all of the ccs money -> ??? Wait 4 months for another donation?

<s​gp_:monero.social> ofrnxmr: while I have you, I want to double check my records for MAGIC Grants and the DLOG3 research for the FCMP research CCS. You tend to have a good memory on these things:

<s​gp_:monero.social> according to my records, MAGIC Grants has been approved to receive $10k from the research CCS by MRL for Veridise DLOG3, but that has not been paid yet. Does that sound correct?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> was that 70xmr?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or 38.5?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…roposals/-/merge_requests/528/diffs

<s​gp_:monero.social> 38.5 was paid already, which was ~$6k at the time

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It looks like they were paid, plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org

is this another payout request for repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/449?

<s​gp_:monero.social> informal but yes related to that

<s​gp_:monero.social> MAGIC also received the 70 XMR which was a little over $10k at the time

<s​gp_:monero.social> I'll make a "formal" ask for the $10k soon, I just don't have the MRL approval links handy

as far as the CCS is concerned all pending payout requests for the research fund are done, so confirming it's not been paid out

my bad for missing those discussions in the MRL meeting(s) then

<s​gp_:monero.social> It was a few months ago, so it's understandable

kayabanerve can you shine some light on this^

<s​gp_:monero.social> is there a single repo of MRL meeting logs that's easily searchable?

Rucknium also^ sgp not easily but github.com/monero-project/meta/issues?q=author%3Arucknium , any idea of the dates? im looking through irc logs

sgp not 21st / 22nd may ish? libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20240522

<s​gp_:monero.social> no definitely not that old

<s​gp_:monero.social> nov or dec

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!toFcRZtpaiwiyapgVO:mat…l&via=matrix.org&via=unredacted.org

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Here?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or is this a different quote

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!toFcRZtpaiwiyapgVO:mat…l&via=matrix.org&via=unredacted.org

sgp libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20241127#c464918

<s​gp_:monero.social> I thought there was an official approval after that but there not have been

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!toFcRZtpaiwiyapgVO:mat…l&via=matrix.org&via=unredacted.org

<s​gp_:monero.social> it might have been this

<s​gp_:monero.social> it was this perfect. Thanks :)

<s​gp_:monero.social> it was this, perfect. Thanks :)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> what protection is required to get a domain transferred ? getmonero is on cloudflare and they use gandi

<s​gp_:monero.social> I was referring to legal protections not technical

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof, dec 4 at 1800 utc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20241204#c467807

<3​21bob321:monero.social> just add it to the same gandi account as getmonero

<3​21bob321:monero.social> i'm more concerned about the 400k then the domain

<e​longated:matrix.org> Then you should stop worrying? It was never paid

<3​21bob321:monero.social> the purpose of the 400k was to but it, but that never happened

<3​21bob321:monero.social> so where is the 400k gone ?????????

<3​21bob321:monero.social> buy it*

<e​longated:matrix.org> Went back

<3​21bob321:monero.social> proof ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no it didnt

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its still in the GF

<e​longated:matrix.org> Wasn’t there a discussion on GitHub regarding it ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ya and the donor didnt want the $ baxk

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The donor sent another 400k afterwards

<e​longated:matrix.org> Oof can’t wait for GF view keys to see spends after fcmp++

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ahahhaha

<3​21bob321:monero.social> your funny

a refund window was offered too👼

<3​21bob321:monero.social> i think you give to much credit to core

<3​21bob321:monero.social> we'll never know until a report is supplied

<3​21bob321:monero.social> sort of

what about 2026? and 2027?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Or never

<e​longated:matrix.org> ccs.monero.social should happen

<3​21bob321:monero.social> monero-project/meta #921

<3​21bob321:monero.social> gn we have not disbanded, 1st of jan has pasted

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who owns monero.social?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bounties.monero.social - who custodies the wallet?

<e​longated:matrix.org> plowsof: ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> same person who had GF

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Has*

<e​longated:matrix.org> Ah

<3​21bob321:monero.social> nsa ?

<e​longated:matrix.org> ccs.monero.com then 😅

<3​21bob321:monero.social> nioc plz confirm or deny

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Vik would probably use the dns for that if i asked him to

<3​21bob321:monero.social> haveno has a css to ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> but the ccs server code != the repo afaik

<e​longated:matrix.org> I trust him to hold keys too

<e​longated:matrix.org> Diego Salazar: can do it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> diego created the ccs code (w*th help from xiphon iirc)

<e​longated:matrix.org> And he forked it for firo I think

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Already does

<e​longated:matrix.org> Anyways the core n gf comes clean asap or it’s going to spilt soon

repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…ack/-/commits/master?ref_type=HEADS ccs backend commit history

<3​21bob321:monero.social> so committed

elongated come clean about what?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Split? Its 2.5ppl

<3​21bob321:monero.social> .5 is the short person ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> .5 is the one who doesnt have any infra

multisig soon(tm), no reason to trust 1 person

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But is active in MRL etc

<3​21bob321:monero.social> are thought criminal

transparency report coming sooner than soon monero-project/meta #998#issuecomment-2621254385

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> thats what i told her

<3​21bob321:monero.social> hopefully its not done with crayons

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ` published on getmonreo`

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I hope getmonreo is the redesigned site

how much moneros do we think is in the general fund wallet? the last report was march 1st 2023, total standing at 8452.85XMR

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i havent counted but i think like 20k

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 9999xmr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe 15

<3​21bob321:monero.social> under threshold

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Mar1 eas before or after monero.com?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> after

after yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So 8500 + 2700 + 1000s = 15k or more i think

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1000s from the donation flood

<3​21bob321:monero.social> doesnt binary run a accounting company ?

elongated want to guess? i want to know what 'come clean' insinuates

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2700 from ccs restart

<3​21bob321:monero.social> renagade or something

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Digital renegades "D.R."

<e​longated:matrix.org> Actual accounting

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> elongated - we dont have invoices for anything

<e​longated:matrix.org> N view keys which show spends

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So its always been a trust-first relatiobship

<3​21bob321:monero.social> only on back of receipts

<e​longated:matrix.org> Reasonable spends can be accounted for

<3​21bob321:monero.social> yest

<3​21bob321:monero.social> need receipts with each spend

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ie hookers etc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: around 10-15k went to his credit card to pay for server costs when globee (fluffy company) didn't pay

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Were the server costs 1k?10k?15k? Who knows

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He says 10, we have no choice but to believe it

<e​longated:matrix.org> Cdn

<3​21bob321:monero.social> get a platnium amx card

<3​21bob321:monero.social> we can get points

<3​21bob321:monero.social> yacht upgrade

They *chose* to spend that money (if they did) because they thought they'd get more money due to the squatting. It was a massive dick move and the monero community should never pay for that. It'd just be footing the bill for their misjudgement.

Well, more like throwing them a lifeline after being victim of impersonation by them.

<e​longated:matrix.org> They were willing to accept same amount that they paid ?

>the monero dot com wallet

<e​longated:matrix.org> Really dislike the wallet named on a domain 😓

they could give it back for free , a great marketing move

I think so. No idea if they had proof of what they paid. But who'd pay 300k or whatever it was claimed to be if they didn't expect to make that money back in the first place. It was a cynical business move.

<e​longated:matrix.org> Stupid move lol

make monero dot com official now, thanks!

<e​longated:matrix.org> Donated 300k 🤔

<e​longated:matrix.org> Donate 300k 🤔

Honestly, the assholishness after that, claiming they weren't actually squatting, etc, really pissed me off.

I mean, I could get that you do the move, realize you were a dick, and want to try and get your money back. It's slimy, but if you're looking at a 300k hole you dug for yourself, it's not a fun situation. But it could be seen as a bad one of decision.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<m​oneromooo> Well, more like throwing them a lifeline after being victim of impersonation by them." < 400k is peanuts to them tho

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> vik probably clears like 3-4x that every month

Well, that's fucking impressive if so. I find that hard to believe though.

But hey what do I know...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You'd be surprised 😅

So they were ready to be dicks in public for no actual business saving reason ? Makes no sense.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Iirc they would have given it to us for free

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But we tried to force them to, so... lol

So they *are* assholes. Well, fair enough.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Disclaimer: i'm not now, and have never been employed or contracted with cake

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cake marketing employee ?

Exciting