<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> Microsoft and Security... ^^"

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> but yes i know XP is old, but anyway most windows have security problems

<l​oic.le_guen:matrix.org> The best windows is no windows

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> they always add shit features and don't fix bugs and security issues...

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> and MS-DOS :)

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> the firsr one is good, used by army too

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> the first one is good, used by army too

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> and MS-DOS don't have GUIs it's more like a linux terminal

<l​oic.le_guen:matrix.org> I mean there is more modern convenient alternative now

<l​oic.le_guen:matrix.org> I mean there is more modern convenient alternatives now

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> ah yes, for modern only Linux, BSD, Xen

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> and maybe some os i don't know

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> and maybe some OS i don't know

<l​oic.le_guen:matrix.org> I choosed Fedora

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> secureblue can be a good option for you too

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> is not official, but it's a good project

<a​remor:matrix.org> Every developer has code. That’s what developers do. “Cypherpunks Write Code” - Eric Hughes (1993).

<a​remor:matrix.org> If it is an issue, then every single proposal has to release their test code prior to being approved.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Which never happens. Never has anyone been forced to do that.

<a​remor:matrix.org> AGPL applies to released software.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Except this one time

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> aremor: trying to understand, why did you do work when there was no funding in place? Did someone ask you to do this?

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> also, if you did work toward a milestone and wanted milestone payout, did you publish the code?

<a​remor:matrix.org> No one ever requested any money

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> is the CCS proposal not requesting money? Or are you saying you did not request money for a milestone?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Because I expected the proposal to be approved and I did not want to waste the weeks (actually months) not doing anything. Why waste time? I wanted the software out as soon as possible.

<a​remor:matrix.org> The latter. The proposal stage is an application, you get denied or approved. There’s no payment associated with filing a proposal. You don’t get paid to do it. It’s an application to do a project.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> The desire to start work is understandable.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I do think if you were working and the proposal was still open it isn't a given you'd get funds. also if you are not sharing the code it does look like that's against the rule that code has to be open.

<a​remor:matrix.org> No one ever requested any funds

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> maybe someone doesn't understand

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> that you were not requesting a milestone

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> just tell them you don't have any code

<a​remor:matrix.org> You have a lot of people lying freely all over the place. I encourage everyone to read the logs. There’s no reason these lies should be believed when there are logs available to everyone. Every meeting ever is logged freely available. Going back 2 months.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Lies are not necessary. At least I don’t think so.

<a​remor:matrix.org> ALL developers write code. To demand someone’s personal items BEFORE there is an agreement reached is ridiculous.

<a​remor:matrix.org> And if that is the desire, then apply that requirement to everyone! But no, that’s not what’s happened. No one has ever had their work demanded prior to being approved before. So why this one time? It’s ridiculous.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I just don't understand why you made the _idea_ of your code public, without making the code public, when the agreement you were trying to sign up for included the idea of always making code public

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> why not just .. not say you had code

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> and for CCS, why not say a reason for why this work wasn't needed other than didn't share code during proposal stage?

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> they said you asked for a milestone payout, you aremor said you didn't

<a​remor:matrix.org> It’s proof positive of who these people are. Blatant liars.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> so if I was going to spend more time on this I would like to see where the request for a milestone payout was, OR where aremore said they had closed code causing the close (because of rule 4)

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> so if I was going to spend more time on this I would like to see where the request for a milestone payout was, OR where aremore said they had closed code causing the proposal to be close (because of rule 4)

<a​remor:matrix.org> There was never any expectation of the proposal not moving forward and not being finished to completion. There was never any expectation of anything being closed source or not being permissively licensed.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Read the proposal. It literally says that. Rule 4 itself says that the software will be permissively licensed. Never was any of that ever disputed.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Read the meeting logs. There was never any concern about the project raised. Everyone understood clearly that the work was in the interest of completing the proposal.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Read the logs from the end of April. Everyone was happy about the work being in progress.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Suddenly in 05-24, closed without any warning, for work that we’ve been talking about for two months, suddenly isn’t allowed. WTF. everyone was happy about this. Now it’s wrong. Now the project is invalid. Out of nowhere.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Do I need to post the links to those meetings directly?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/CCxLOoUoOYqhjbtyIUfiGVOi

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> You are right I didn't scan back a month into chat logs. I have no power to change the outcome or CCS anything - but if you could show where you said you had code, and CCS people were happy and did not ask to see it, or said it was OK to not have an open license that would support some claims. I would expect with a proposal open that "expectation of the proposal moving forward and<clipped message>

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> being finished to completion" or not was still up to CCS

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> if you aremor can show how CCS led you to think your proposal would be approved and you were being encouraged to work that would be something

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> i don't even know what haveno is

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> chat log: p​lowsof:matrix.org - "aremor has completed milestones 1 , 2 , and 3 so far? but not yet open source" .. 2 lines later "aremor:matrix.org Yeah, demoed to Tuxsudo last week"

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> milestones 1+2+3 where done in approx 2 months iirc?

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> <a​remor:matrix.org> approximately

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> so aremor did claim to complete milestones, maybe did not ask for payout, but it seems implied here

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> about 20 min later, n1oc

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> [CCS Proposals] plowsoff closed merge request #570: Haveno App (Cross Platform)

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> <a​remor:matrix.org> Then should probably close every CCS. Every single CCS has work in progress code that is being worked on.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> does CCS retroactively fund things?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> better link monerologs directly than multi line messages

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> evidence does not matter, it only matters what aremor says happened / is happening, there is no point in saying otherwise.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> now he must come back and respond to every comment you made showing how you dont understand / he is right and everyone has to read it again

<3​21bob321:monero.social> we've made it

<3​21bob321:monero.social> youtu.be/WSsRVuAmtIY

<3​21bob321:monero.social> looks like fabio too

<3​21bob321:monero.social> at least rb and jeffro are famous now

<3​21bob321:monero.social> and luke

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> reg fcmp++ : "incase it wasn't clear enough 2 years from 2023, is this year" 😳 😬

<3​21bob321:monero.social> there was a swipe at sgp too lol

the script is pretty good on that video

<h​bs:matrix.org> I'm surprised they talk about Monero given they are now based in Dubai.... And I doubt they do not hold XMR given they said in a previous video that not did Guy hold some but that he also mined some, oh and they are based in Dubai so I really doubt they do not hold any :-)

they could sell it all, make the video, and then buy it back

that's halal

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> that's lolol

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> Is the Haveno Android app using Reto or another network? I install the beta but theres only 2 offers there. Is it usable already?

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> Is the Haveno Android app using Reto or another network? I installed the beta but there are only 2 offers there. Is it usable already?

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> I need to onboard a guy onto buying xmr and hes interested in using Haveno so Im wondering whether to teach him to use the desktop app or if the android app is usable even though it is still WIP

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> retoswap.com

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> matrix.to/#/#haveno:monero.social

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> For now just use the desktop version

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> also just in case: haveno dot com is a scam site

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Is it ? This one I was looking for . Which one is real

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> retoswap.com is a mainnet instance of Haveno.exchange

<b​asses:matrix.org> not official tho by the dev!

<k​evino:tchncs.de> Telegram xmr wallet is bad idea

<k​evino:tchncs.de> Telegram is not a privacy respecting app ,

<k​evino:tchncs.de> building an xmr wallet using telegram mini app would also make it highly dependent on telegram infrastructure.

<k​evino:tchncs.de> I am not sure who wants it

<k​evino:tchncs.de> Total funding 100 xmr lol

<x​3cc:nope.chat> I don’t see such proposal in bounties or ccs, where is it?

<k​evino:tchncs.de> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/587

<k​evino:tchncs.de> Whoops i saw the OP even closed the proposal 😅

<k​evino:tchncs.de> I was just reading is on monero observer issue

<x​3cc:nope.chat> I somehow believe monero telegram wallet can be beneficial, not very secure but beneficial, because if we take a look at the most popular wallet bot in telegram cryptobot a.k.a @wallet it will be obvious that this is trash due to inadequate withdrawal commissions and no monero in it

<a​remor:matrix.org> It’s not implied

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Imo cryptobot is popular because some people create “checks” with some amount of coins and throw it in chats or to friends, receivers press a button and receive coins, also cryptobot maybe popular because of built-in p2p

<x​3cc:nope.chat> I would say telegram bot can’t be seriously used as a wallet, but these checks features and easy access can be beneficial

<m​oonmanxmr:matrix.org> 🇺🇦 Fuck you Russian 🖕

<x​3cc:nope.chat> moonmanxmr: I’m Uzbekistanian

<x​3cc:nope.chat> God bless Ukraine

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Sorry for offtopic

<m​oonmanxmr:matrix.org> Okay, sorry - I just know that Telegram is a popular messaging app that supports Russia

<a​remor:matrix.org> One example. I think there are more going further back. libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250426#c521074

<a​remor:matrix.org> Mentioned on April 12th that exploration had already taken place.

<a​remor:matrix.org> As any sane person would do. I’m not going to propose something that I don’t know I’m capable of - libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250412#c518159

<a​remor:matrix.org> The reply? “plowsof

<a​remor:matrix.org> do not down play your vibe skills” imprevisto --- {SO_KEEPALIVE} 💀ﮩ٨ـﮩﮩ٨ـ♡ﮩ٨ـﮩﮩ٨…

<a​remor:matrix.org> This cancellation is complete bullshit

<a​remor:matrix.org> April 12th - Agreement that NOTHING THIS PAID UNTIL CODE IS SUBMITTED - libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250412#c518181

<a​remor:matrix.org> But these people tell lies and the community just eats it up.

<m​oonmanxmr:matrix.org> @mods ban this spammer

<m​oonmanxmr:matrix.org> Spammer and scammer

<a​remor:matrix.org> Another illiterate person

<m​oonmanxmr:matrix.org> I don't need to read words from Kewbit's alt. Show code or GTFO scammer

<a​remor:matrix.org> Not my words. Proof positive - cannot read

<m​oonmanxmr:matrix.org> Deflecting. No code/substance, just talk

<a​remor:matrix.org> April 12th - Agreement that NOTHING IS PAID UNTIL CODE IS SUBMITTED - libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250412#c518181

<a​remor:matrix.org> The official monero logs are no substance. Got it.

<m​oonmanxmr:matrix.org> Kewbit you're not fooling anyone

<m​oonmanxmr:matrix.org> If you've completed all the milestones, please upload your code to a repository and share it under an open-source license, such as the GPL. Stop scamming and deflecting

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody said this

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Pretending that somebody did, makes you the liar

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Agreement is that code that isnt permissively licensed at all stages == proposal terminated

<a​remor:matrix.org> Read the convo. No, it’s not about licensing. It’s about when payments occur.

<a​remor:matrix.org> smh can’t be truthful for one second

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre cooked

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> imprev said "they said you asked for a payment"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And you said "they are liars"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> imprev was wrong. nobody claimed that you asked for a payment

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And you're a liar, because you know that nobody made such a claim

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Never had anything to do with payment. THERES NO MONEY RAISED

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You CANT request a payment for funds that dont exist, so cosigning a claim that you were accused you of requesting payment, just goes to show that you're incapable of honesty

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You CANT request a payment for funds that dont exist, so cosigning a claim that you were accused of requesting payment, just goes to show that you're incapable of honesty

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There never was a request for payout. The ccs never went to the funding stage, and therefore has never raised any funds that could be requested.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Where aremor claimed they has closed code? He's claimed to have code for milestone 1,2,3 for over month, and makes accusations of extortion when asked to show it.

<a​remor:matrix.org> matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm%3Am…6_xJNhid-k8YaUSpXMHQup2ntQXgtaIkFuE

<a​remor:matrix.org> matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm%3Am…6I-17-9SsPR9TILx8ytjBdGeQddoJx5pzJk

<a​remor:matrix.org> That has been insinuated about 100 times since Saturday.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You cant read, i take it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Neither of the comments you linked to imply that you had requested a payout (for funds that dont exist)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ginger asked if you are acting like FUK, which was responded with "yes". Maybe you've been around for 6 years and dont know who FUK is

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "Move to funding or no code." Is the position that youre being accused of taking

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dan's "show me the money" comment that you linked to is in direct response to this

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:mat…mx&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Anyway, you can keep shouting from the rooftops

<a​remor:matrix.org> Every mention he Kewbit is insinuation that money has been requested somewhere. Kewbit stole roughly $20,000 if I recall. So what does it mean if someone is calling you OJ Simpson? It means wife killer right. Let’s not play stupid.

<a​remor:matrix.org> What’s “scammer” mean? What do people take when they scam?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Just keep playing stupid with “nobody said this”

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, its an insinuations that youre as insufferable as him

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrn, on a scale of 10, how inseffurable am i?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> insufefrable

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> insufferabler

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> insufferable*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like 2.7

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> shit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I need to go up

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tough competition

<a​remor:matrix.org> matrix.to/#/!eBgZCVRnRRkKchiYzS%3Am…DbbT9iJ-CDXst8S8gSbfSamLamSBLrii080

<a​remor:matrix.org> It’s been insinuated all over the place

<a​remor:matrix.org> 🙄 matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm%3Am…xbtcApPGWdJ9Tr3E6vyjP_uVNMc_Lp3uaww

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ?

<u​lyses:matrix.org> Hello everyone.

<u​lyses:matrix.org> am I in a good room for a Monero question?

<k​evino:tchncs.de> Coulr try at [#monero-support:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/%23monero-support:monero.social)

<k​evino:tchncs.de> Could*

<u​lyses:matrix.org> Thank you!

<t​rapo:matrix.org> Yes, you are!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Someone needs to build a bridge and get over it

<l​unardef:matrix.org> Anyone open for a philosophical discussion about money? I believe a problem can be solved by hacking the human mind. Speculation allows for shaking the average joe from the market and ultimately the corrupt gaining control of the system and undermining decentralization, therefore we can remove speculation. We could make the sum of the whole network attack speculators. We could do <clipped message>

<l​unardef:matrix.org> this by splitting units into two. The first unit XMR and the second RMX. We could mirror the attack and deflect it in phases.

<l​unardef:matrix.org> Phase 1:

<l​unardef:matrix.org> - We peg $1 = 1 RMX, garunteed by an entry on the XMR blockchain which all nodes form a consensus on

<l​unardef:matrix.org> - When Alice pays Bob 20 RMX for cheese, an entry is made on the blockchain to reflect that as we'd expect, but this block header also contains the RMX peg value at that block time (not used for this transaction)

<l​unardef:matrix.org> - Bob now wants to "store value" from selling his cheese, he does not feel safe gambling with his business. Therefore the chain garuntees this for Bob. 20 RMX will be converted to `Y` XMR based on the "current" consensus of the RMX value

<l​unardef:matrix.org> Ideally the value of `Y` would be long enough to resemble that of a moving average in trading that is rarely crossed, taking out "noise". This takes out the noise from speculators and provides a level of confidence to those who are actually trying to use the network.

<l​unardef:matrix.org> Phase 2:

<l​unardef:matrix.org> To trigger this phase, we need to be adopted and percieved as a "stable coin" and the community must be big enough to overshadow USD. At this phase we remove the peg and just use RMX

<l​unardef:matrix.org> ===============

<l​unardef:matrix.org> This does fundamentally change the coin supply, unfortunately, or fortunately? The amount of RMX is tail emission and these economic concepts persist, but the amount of XMR scales up or down to attack the USD. If the money printer goes brr, we go brr. If usd contracts, we contract. The goal is to mirror USD. If we can create an environment where the user has minimal risk of sellin<clipped message>

<s​gp_:monero.social> That worked out really well for Haven

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Is this AI

<l​unardef:matrix.org> no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What is RMX

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And why would we want to mirror something that had an inflation bug during covid

<l​unardef:matrix.org> it is basically what we would consider a cryptocurrency, the other unit is just something that is traded and has a price attached

<l​unardef:matrix.org> because it has no value... the hack is humans will see 20 RMX in a user interface and think it's still 20 RMX. And when they trade it, it's always $20... The Y XMR is just some tech hack

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Id we peg xmr to usd, does that mean the market cap is 400T?

<l​unardef:matrix.org> I honestly have not looked into haven, just interested in solving the money problem... perhaps I should research that and think some more on it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Solution in search og a problem

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Zephyr, haven, luna

<l​unardef:matrix.org> The market cap is just price * coin supply where coin supply is determined by the `Y` XMR above. When Bob trades, that is the point at which Y is determined

<l​unardef:matrix.org> Haven almost has the same idea except it doesn't account for the change in value between the blocks, which could be a problem. Also doesn't take into account moving average which directly competes against the dollar (they could just print and infinite supply of dollars and kill the coin). Kind of funny there's a luna coin, yep I should have researched this first haha... my apologi<clipped message>

<l​unardef:matrix.org> es. Is this a topic you guys would be interested in talking about later?

Haven had some issues lunardef havenprotocol.org/2024/12/12/project-closure-announcement

<l​unardef:matrix.org> I think if Bob sends Alice cheese on Monday for 20xUSD when XHV trading at $20, and Bob goes to sell it on Friday when XHV is worth $10, you effectively create inflation.

<l​unardef:matrix.org> That's why the idea with tracking the peg in the small increments of time (the block time) is that you remember the "value" exchanged. You only convert that value on the way in and out. And that IO exchange rate is based on moving average.

lunardef what you are talking about is not money at all

<r​obert:hive.developlegends.com> how so?

go study the abc of money, then report back

>there's a luna coin

yeah, yet another ridiculous scam - this one especially vicious, based on "AI" bullshit.

<l​unardef:matrix.org> I'm not thinking about money, I'm thinking about currency. A currency is used to buy good/services. That good or service has some "value" attributed to it. Takes store of value out of the equation like simplifying the factors in a fraction. Could be wrong, just thinking out loud

yeah you need to study the very basics of political economy - instead you think you have a 'smart' system that should override what people do

social engineering bullshit

as a side note speculation in the current financial system is completely corrupt but it's not because of speculation per se

<l​unardef:matrix.org> never said it was smart, just an idea... decentralized trading basically. What would even be the end game of social engineering? lol

decentralized trading is certainly desirable

the way to achieve that is by nuking the financial system.

<l​unardef:matrix.org> I feel like that would be hard given that the schools don't teach kids to think for themselves

yeah, you hit the nail on the head

I mean, children can naturally think for themselves - govt schools are designed to prevent that.

anyway, these political problems need political solutions

<l​unardef:matrix.org> Yep and the system is setup to put you in debt before you even understand wealth

<l​unardef:matrix.org> I think we're heading towards a technology based government, but it'll be interesting to see what the future holds

we are already there - we live in a techo dystopia run by sillicon valley scum

so as far as money is concerned, we need something that can't be manipulated - the best or rather only example being metals.

<l​unardef:matrix.org> The surveillance will deepen, I think a revolution is inevitable and there will come a day where government is basically refactored to account for modern issues. I just hope we have built enough solutions at that point to present as a solution

<l​unardef:matrix.org> I suppose the problem with metals is that old money has it. And he who controls the money controls everything

well even today some people own metals. And the fraction that is in the hands of banking-government mafia can be taken back.

of course something like monero tries to mimick the way commodity money works, but cryptocurrencies require a very sophisticated infrastructure that is controlled by the enemy.

<l​unardef:matrix.org> That is true, just taking the fractional reserve system out of the picture would be a big win

yeah

the whole stock market and rest of the financial system is blatantly subsidized by inflation. If you save in dollars you actually lose 20/30% per year. So people end up 'investing' in stock bonds and similar crap.

stocks*, bonds

<l​unardef:matrix.org> the funny thing is those stocks are just a part of the derivatives marketcap which is greater than all the assets on Earth

the future doesn't look too bright

<l​unardef:matrix.org> It's easiest to find the light in darkness

hehe

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Use a torch

...or a flamethrower like Jake Elwood's ex-wife. :O

<k​riek:matrix.org> The problem now they started to control also the cryptocurrency trough the KYC and the only crypto safe right now is Monero. It can be the next real private reserve

<k​riek:matrix.org> So at the end they are trying to control us because right now banks needs money