I mean yeah I'm leftist too.

My ideal world wouldn't really have currency. But eh if you need a currency something like monero is better than the alternatives

But my ideal economic system would still be partially market based just not have money.(It'd be a mix of some other market based system + a gift economy + other stuff idrc)

My main thought in regards to currency is it suppresses the exchange of goods and services between individuals who do not already have currency. And thus tends towards centeralization(via this any other mechanisms)

I.e, 2 people who are broke cannot easily engage in a mutually benifical exchange in a way that gives them access to the rest of the economy without currency. Even if they can exchange resources of labor in a way that benifits the economy

One idea I have would basically be allowing anyone to mint their own currency in a limited, constrained way.

So if say, Bob does 3 hours of work for alice, alice can mint 3 laborcoins to give the bob, backed by the work bob did. And some trusted 3rd parties(these could be like stakeholders in other cryptos) would come and verify useful work was being done.

But I dunno this could be incoherent

Wait, if alice mints too many tokens, than hers will just become worthless i think

maybe it's self regulating

idk

Crypto in theory sorta has a solution to this(letting people mine currency)(especially monero becaue no limit on the number of monero that can be created). But in practice this tends to either not be viable at all, not be tied to any actual useful work, tend towards centeralization, or some combination of all 3

blocks.p2pool.observer now shows when Tari blocks have been merge mined (and shows a link in the block page to view merge mined block) irc.gammaspectra.live/e41d34f0a348a173/image.png + example blocks.p2pool.observer/block/5fde6c…393b4a3d05ab35531bf759e5c1b320eddd0

<galaxy-nova:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/KgBLyeYUUQXgvMJhrEBtvEuF.png (image.png) > <@syntheticbird> et sinon le titre en haut de ton ecran c est pour les chiens?

<galaxy-nova:matrix.org> :))

<helene:unredacted.org> @galaxy-nova:matrix.org: the matrix experience

<frogmindset:matrix.org> when mining how do i know what node to use?

<frogmindset:matrix.org> im not sure if i should use mini or nano

<rbrunner7> Ideally, there should be some recommendations to find to how choose primarily based on the hashrate that you have

<frogmindset:matrix.org> my hashrate is 4.321 kH/s

<frogmindset:matrix.org> i think

<frogmindset:matrix.org> if i read the status correctly

<frogmindset:matrix.org> Your hashrate (pool-side) = 4.321 kH/s

<frogmindset:matrix.org> is what i got when i checked

<frogmindset:matrix.org> so what chain should i use?

<syntheticbird> @galaxy-nova:matrix.org: alright i'm sorry

Meanwhile x.com/c___f___b/status/1968195867770552507

> The level of incompetence in github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14 is baffling. Or the author lied. I invite him to an open debate on X.

lol

CFB is bluffing

<helene:unredacted.org> i don't trust people that don't have anime profile pictures or anime-related stuff on their profiles, simple as

i like how his grifters are being dumb in the replies as usual

<helene:unredacted.org> well, if "X, The Everything App" was a place known for having real people, useful information and actual discussion, we'd probably know by now

CFB just fucked up about 100 or so transactions, and he's backpedalling hard because now he's known as an attacker who is negatively harming the blockchain

DataHoarder: when you say "permanently", do you mean the users will always have a bad selection of decoys?

<helene:unredacted.org> unless they're able to reuse the same decoys, if they try to make a transaction again, the real source will be obvious

but is it really permanent?

<helene:unredacted.org> well, how would that eventually change?

if you sweep the outputs to another wallet?

<helene:unredacted.org> it probably would help, but you still have reduced privacy

<helene:unredacted.org> the problem is you have to be aware that you need to do that

i wonder how this wll change in FCMP++

<helene:unredacted.org> can't wait for FCMP++ :)

Cindy: that transaction permanently hurts their privacy

Decoys after are fine

it's them having to do the selection again that hurts them permanently due to doing them

It's similar to the RingDB usage across monero forks monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…-monero-on-a-key-reusing-chain-mean

In this case there's effectively no RingDB for you when making the transaction anew

cleared ringDB?

It is very likely the true spend will be revealed for each used input

do they just have to wait for new transactions?

so they can fill their ringDB back with new outputs?

no, ringdb tracks spends

Say you spent previous output X as input Y, this input Y has a set of decoys. This selection is stored in ringDB

ahhh

i see

You go to another fork that still has output X, and want to spend it as input Y'. The key image will be the same, so you look it up in RingDB, and attempt to use the same decoys as stored (As much as possible)

In this case - Monero does not get to store RingDB data for usage by the wallet

The reorg explicitly broke that link by invalidating the transaction.

This is why this privacy damage would be permanent once the input is spent on a new transaction, with the same key image as one of the invalidated transactions

what is stopping someone from sending a tiny amount of monero to a new wallet, send it back from that wallet

and the decoys after being fine?

It is only a problem for the inputs used within the invalidated transactions

oh

This allows linkage

Added P2Pool mini witnesses github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14 as well, and clarified the privacy loss as being due to missing RingDB decoy selection data Cindy ^

thanks!

<aigarth:matrix.org> > <DataHoarder> > The level of incompetence in github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14 is baffling. Or the author lied. I invite him to an open debate on X.

<aigarth:matrix.org> FAKE FAKE FAKE! Who should we believe? Qubic, a project that mines other blockchains, burns its own supply, and trains AGI in real time. Or, $XMR, with the incompetent "analysts" like Monero developer DataHoarder and xenumonero

<aigarth:matrix.org> 2026 is for Qubic 🙌

<aigarth:matrix.org> You’ll ignore Qubic because it’s not ''trending'' yet. You’ll ignore it because it doesn’t fit your attention span. Then you’ll regret it when the only entry left is at a $50B market cap. And by then? People like me will already be gone with your money

They are at it again plowsof ^

<aigarth:matrix.org> Scared to debate CFB?

<aigarth:matrix.org> Monero developers operate in the shadows and don’t speak the truth!

13:02:50 <DataHoarder> Fuck X. That said I joined their Discord weeks ago but before I could click verify the account was quarantined. Was doing that to post the weekly block counts (which I think are relevant for them as well, good data for them)

13:04:43 <DataHoarder> I can debate my interpretation at the start, but the data is hard data provable by any monero node at that time, both blocks and transactions. (plus the Tari witnesses, and P2Pool witnesses)

<aigarth:matrix.org> Banning innocent Qubic community members shows how dishonest you are 🙅🙅

<aigarth:matrix.org> DataHoarder What is your Discord username?

So yeah, was never allowed to join their discord either to provide accurate block count listings either

it is weebdatahoarder

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No > <@aigarth:matrix.org> Scared to debate CFB?

<aigarth:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Do you want to join the debate?

It was probably automated quarantine. But yeah no staff there can be contacted while quarantined

I will not debate the data, that's hard verifiable data. Also fuck voice.

tell CFB to join this room

this channel is publicly logged

<aigarth:matrix.org> DataHoarder: I will ask staff to fix your issue 🕵️ 👍️ Qubic is honest

and he can join through IRC

<aigarth:matrix.org> Cindy: Discord is safer for Satoshi

<aigarth:matrix.org> IRC exposes Satoshi's IP

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Use tor

^

i connect to libera through tor

also satoshi? loool

irrelevant of that, anyhow.

are you one of the trolls he hired again

what happened to that kid yesterday, did he get fired?

13:21:43 <br-m> <gingeropolous> yeah or anyone with a node still running from that day can just run alt_chain_info and see 18 blocks long, from height 3499659 (2347 deep), diff 510191663980291508: 9489923b1773c2575e3320b84357e451b2dc625ba1cb9d2f4d6c352689c5ac7d

2026 is for Qubic.. to die

just like the rest of the shitcoins

<aigarth:matrix.org> Satoshi spoke about the issue with IRC on Discord. Satoshi said IRC is a honeypot maintained by Monero developers as you can only connect to IRC (Libera) if you made an account without TOR 🫢 😮 > <Cindy> i connect to libera through tor

<aigarth:matrix.org> Cindy: What kid? Qubic is for adults!

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @aigarth:matrix.org: Matrix

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre here, arent you?

matrix

"Qubic is for adults!" spoken like a 9 year old

<aigarth:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: No voice call in Matrix

But who wants unlogged voice call

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes there is

why do you want voice call

Text stays.

voice calls do not get logged

he can type in chat

Good for posting block ids, rather than spelling block ids verbally :)

<aigarth:matrix.org> It will be recorded by the Qubic community

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Can record a voice call

<helene:unredacted.org> maybe he's illiterate though

<aigarth:matrix.org> Thousands of Qubic community members will be watching 👍️👌

okay, then watch text chat?

because DataHoarder is on IRC :P

and there's no voice chat for IRC

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @aigarth:matrix.org: how do you watch a voice call?

I am on discord, but als text only

But as said. No voice call/live debating. I despise those kind of podcasts. The "lies" claims are trying to disprove the hard data or my text/interpretation?

aigarth: stop treating CFB like he's packgod or some shit

about to roast monero devs

<aigarth:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Satoshi uses his camera to prove he is not Aigarth 🤣

we can have a convo in text

<aigarth:matrix.org> Sorry no 😠

why :P

<aigarth:matrix.org> CFB is Nicolas van Saberhagen too do you have no respect?

as for the Discord profile - it has verified connections to p2pool.observer / and WeebDataHoarder in github

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Youll have to sign up for my onlyfans, if you want video

<aigarth:matrix.org> CFB is a Monero developer!

so you can verify it's that person

i have no respect because he pretends to be eveyone

<helene:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: you can't just say that and not share the link

he is a con artist

DataHoarder: discord doesn't get logged

do not fall for it

aware

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @helene:unredacted.org: Waiting for my creator account to be approved

<aigarth:matrix.org> Discord allows call recordings and the calls are encrypted

But they might be interesting in full block counts such as these Cindy irc.gammaspectra.live/2990a5684cf1c5a5/qubic-blocks-epoch177.csv

<aigarth:matrix.org> Discord call is safe to debate 👍️

instead of paying 4000 USDT to an analyst, this is provided for free

you mean less people can actually watch the voice call? :P

Discord calls go via Discord centralized part :P

<aigarth:matrix.org> Thousands of Qubic members will join

in this channel, everyone can watch the convo through the IRC logger site

<aigarth:matrix.org> No one from Qubic is here. I'm just a kind fan

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cindy: How do you watch a voice call

tell them to join this channel then

DataHoarder: oh no, you're gonna make CFB cry

<aigarth:matrix.org> One of our innocent fans got banned we cannot trust Monero channels

<helene:unredacted.org> why do we keep entertaining those idiots?

<aigarth:matrix.org> 😶

aigarth: you literally cannot ban people from reading the publicly-available real-time logs of this channel

<aigarth:matrix.org> @helene:unredacted.org: 👋

we only ban people if they are annoying trolls.... like you are being right now :P

<helene:unredacted.org> this is #monero not #please-pay-attention-to-qubic

<aigarth:matrix.org> CFB has already been banned

so maybe don't be annoying

Maybe GitHub issues is the place to talk :D

nah CFB won't argue

I will not do live voice, again. But hey, I can explain any specific section that is unclear, wrong, or doesn't have a proof, as I have done in this channel and others.

he wants to act like packgod or some shit

that's why he wants voice call lol

<helene:unredacted.org> DataHoarder: if they cared, they'd actually read what you're saying, and ask genuine questions. They show no interest in doing this; you'll just waste time, and they'll try to degrade you in any way they can. Their interest is social, not factual

the grifters are only there for the price

they do not actually care about qubic long-term

<helene:unredacted.org> if they cared about something they wouldn't just keep barging in with alts exclusively to be annoying

<helene:unredacted.org> you are allowed to tell people to just fuck off sometimes, it's really okay to do :p

CFB acts like people care about his shitcoin

<kill-switch:matrix.org> or would have provided a rebuttal in his tweet about DataHoarder, which said nothing more than "nuh uh" - not really a very convincing argument :)

<helene:unredacted.org> indeed :)

nuh-uh this is all incorrect for a reason i cannot explain

<kill-switch:matrix.org> the fall in obscurity and disrepute is the most painful experience for a narcissist I think

<helene:unredacted.org> this wouldn't be an exchange, this would just be "i can talk louder than you therefore i am right"

i did not do the reorg and invalidate 112 transactions

It never happened

CFB is acting like bill clinton rn

"i did not invalidate 112 transactions, monero"

<kill-switch:matrix.org> starved for attention, reminded of how it felt when mommy or daddy didn't love him :(

maybe that's why he likes to hire trolls who try to make people believe that he's satoshi

CfB has also specifically quoted our IRC conversations from #monero-research-lounge after becoming aware of the damage any 10+ attempt would do on September 1st irc.gammaspectra.live/d7cfad5f3e1bdbac/cfb_goi_tech.png yet still went to attempt it.

oh daaaamn

CFB got nowhere to run lol

<kill-switch:matrix.org> coming with the receipts :)

This was also tested on testnet, and showed the same invalidated transaction behavior

This was also discussed even further after this

<kill-switch:matrix.org> yeah I saw that being discussed too

now CFB can't pretend that he did NOT know that this would happen

well. Discord messages can be deleted

<kill-switch:matrix.org> I'm sure they do wish to test their botnet ddos against centralized checkpoint infra

the checkpoints are stored in DNS

as TXT records, i think

it's not that easy to DDoS

<kill-switch:matrix.org> yeah

<privacyx> He dying from negative fallout of being labelled malicious parasite and his dopey claim we all AI our screenshots of monerod logs is ridiculous what advantage do we gain by faking a claim of 18 block reorg

<kill-switch:matrix.org> the idea I saw them forward the other day was to ddos nodes with checkpoint-enabled, not sure if that was just some rando or what talking

but that would be less of a fair play and more of a cyber-crime

the miners supposedly would enable this before they are deployed, so they'd have to ddos mining pool infrastructure

<kill-switch:matrix.org> well when you have a hammer (botnet operator) everything probably looks like a nail

<privacyx> would p2pool miners be vulnerable

privacyx: i don't think so

given if the miners host a node themselves

<privacyx> yeap

p2pool miners can mine through tor, as well

you could have a few public monero nodes behind tor

ddos efficiency goes down as the set of ips goes up

and also using tor's PoW defense

<kill-switch:matrix.org> yeah my p2pool and node is through tor

note even if they unpeer p2pool peers from each other they'd still be mining on their own, so the effective hashrate is the same

As old p2pool show old-old.p2pool.observer

<privacyx> does affect latency for mining going through tor

they run old p2pool versions yet still mine on their own

will the monero devs make the checkpoints opt-in by default?

observer is irrelevant here too, it's just looking at the p2pool network

Cindy: the consensus has been opt-out by default, no change

i see

but not disabled, nodes will warn

(but not act on checkpoints)

Current patchset is on monero-project/monero #10075

i think we should host more tor monero nodes

but like

enable tor's PoW

so that CFB would have a harder time DDoSing :P

<elongated:matrix.org> Cindy: What ddos?

<kill-switch:matrix.org> it was just something some troll was saying yesterday in the monero discord re:dns-checkpoints

<kill-switch:matrix.org> and cfb in that screenshot above mentioend looking for ways to counter checkpoints

he can't counter checkpoints :P

<elongated:matrix.org> Cindy: He has countered imaginary things, he is a retard with retard following

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> yes, the more monero nodes behind tor the better, for multiple reasons

<kill-switch:matrix.org> i mean that's kinda the point of centralization. plus he's already a PoS stooge. imo the centralization pressure is the attack, but that's another story :)

<elongated:matrix.org> @kill-switch:matrix.org: He now has 10k xmr so he will push for pos

i mean

he only published his view key, not spend key

we don't know if he actually spent all those xmr

Cindy: he published the spend key for one epoch

not the others, ofc

And he could just move the XMR to a different undisclosed wallet, so it's not relevant

They provide proof of burning Qubic when they do

loosely matches the expected amount

CFB will pay ISPs to intercept DNS requests to the monero pulse domains

(exchange fees/tx fees etc, exchange pricing differences)

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> <DataHoarder> Staff from Qubic said you will stay banned for spreading false information and banning innocent users on Monero channels. If you want to debate CFB, you can debate on X! Qubic does not want battle. We want to be friends and peaceful ❤️ 🏩

I don't have mod ops on Monero discord

that is an extremely long username

<helene:unredacted.org> Cindy: he'd have to pay Cloudflare or higher because of DNSSEC :)

<kill-switch:matrix.org> lol

I can't ban anyone there lol, nor here

I don't have op powers except on #p2pool-log channel which is P2Pool related

what the fuck is a Blue Luna Erick Data Hoarder Qubic

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> github.com/blueluna

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> CFB told us this is DataHoarder. He is Satoshi smart

oh no. you are now resorting to this

<helene:unredacted.org> can we ban this idiot already?

<eddie:oblak.be> Banhammer Bahammer 😱

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> We told you we want peace :trollface:

lol

<eddie:oblak.be> Cindy no, don't react!

<eddie:oblak.be> 😂

you pull up a random github account and say "this is datahoarder"

very satoshi smart

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Now you are public debate CFB!

Well, at least you can get the weekly block counts CSV via logs on monerologs :)

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> CFB knows and we trust him

and post these yourself if qubic cares about getting the full count directly (so their numbers look good)

if CFB told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> DataHoarder: CFB said this is fake information. We asked Aigarth and it confirmed fake 👇️ ⁉️

for what reason

<eddie:oblak.be> Aigarth can't even count to 3

<eddie:oblak.be> shut the fuck up

But it literally lists the exact amount dkat posts on your Discord each week

so you saying dkat numbers are fake?

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: Aigarth is learning fast

All I'm doing is proving dkat numbers are correct.

Interesting.

where does CFB gets his trolls from

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Where is the proof?

they're all mentally-impaired

<eddie:oblak.be> @bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org: he can now count to 4?

each listing has a proof attached

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> We hold Qubic until $50 billion marketcap

you can directly look up the blocks

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> No trolls only real fans 💌 ❤️

like, this is not bad numbers for you

it shows how many blocks you really got - which are many

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Virus link and fake information. CFB said you host this website. Where is the data from the Monero blockchain? 🧌 > <DataHoarder> irc.gammaspectra.live/2990a5684cf1c5a5/qubic-blocks-epoch177.csv

"virus link"

It's produced by loading up view keys on monero - which dkat discloses each week

>virus link

>it's a CSV file

it's a CSV text

<kill-switch:matrix.org> how does a blockchain even work amirite? what is a decoy set? what am I doing here? is this real life?

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> DataHoarder: Dkat information is correct

i didn't even know you were this fucking stupid

yes. I am literally proving it with that CSV file

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> You modified the information 🧌

you are as laughable as the other kids he got to spam here :P

<eddie:oblak.be> Qubic is dumping hard, keep hodling dummy

if dkat info and view keys are correct, this uses that information to prove it

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: 2026 is Qubic's year

<eddie:oblak.be> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/oblak.be/yFOvWFoWGCMGMqlMcfkKPpXa.png (image.png)

2026 is qubic's year, indeed

<eddie:oblak.be> yeaah

the last year it'll live

each entry can be verified on Monero GUI -> Advanced -> Verify transaction

I made this to shut up people that said qubic blocks were fake smh

i'm certain 2026 is the year that qubic will completely flat-line

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: 🚨 Epoch 177: 91,535,023,291 $QUBIC BURNED 🚨

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> 🔥 Every burn pushes Qubic closer to ultimate scarcity.

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> 📉 Supply goes down → Value for holders goes up.

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> 💥 The community keeps making history with massive burns

<basses:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org ban blueluna

<eddie:oblak.be> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/oblak.be/hxXEzoLQfWrxIlnUOHumWECl.png (image.png)

<eddie:oblak.be> I see

Now someone from qubic says all their blocks they got are fake?

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Qubic isn’t just another project. It’s an economic & technological revolution in motion.

yeah yeah

<eddie:oblak.be> pump ende dump

that's what all they say

<eddie:oblak.be> it's a failure

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Aigarth said 1 + 9 + 9 + 7 = 26

like the billionth shitcoin

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> God candle to 0.01 in 2026

it'll pump a little and flat-line

<eddie:oblak.be> the only got candle you have is in your ass

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Binance tier 1 listing 2026 🧌

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> DataHoarder: If you do not debate CFB on X you are fake

oh nooo

that's just your own made up rule

the AI is calling us fake

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> You have to socially prove like Aigarth. Not fake proof from your website ❌️

you won't "god candle" to 0.01

I don't have to lower myself to people that say lies. Again, fuck X, fuck voice. As said other textual methods are open, and hard data can be directly vberified via cryptographic proofs

your price is so low, it is represented in scientific notation

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Cindy: 💥Cfb has said it loud and clear Manipulation will continue until you see 5%dip as a normal thing

<basses:matrix.org> > github.com/blueluna > <@bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> github.com/blueluna

<basses:matrix.org> > CFB told us this is DataHoarder. He is Satoshi smart

<basses:matrix.org> Not a single project written in Go. He is golden fish smart.

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Monero users here were shorting Qubic and manipulating the price

It's a cryptographic proof. It's show as anyone can verify it directly :)

the zimbabwen dollars had more worth than qubic has ever had

That's why I publish them, it's not my opinion, it's hard cryptography

keep hodling LOOOOL

<ofrnxmr> Im a qubic whale

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: CFB showed us the definitive proof. I will not share because we are peaceful 👍️

<ofrnxmr> Tbh, i dumped my xmr a few weeks ago

<basses:matrix.org> @bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org: leak your AI script dumb fuck

<ofrnxmr> I think i made a bad trade

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Wow!

dump the XMR on me plz

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Are you ready for a 1000x on $QUBIC?

<ofrnxmr> Diamond handing it til im in the green

i actually checked

but will it hide my purchases of forbidden memes?

1 ZWL (zimbabwen dollars) to USD was 0.000014964357 before it got discontinued

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Manipulation! This is why the price is down. CFB will save us in 2026 :trollface:

that is MORE VALUE than QUBIC

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> You are all liars ❌️ 👇️

I wonder when the impostor will start trying to impostor qubic accounts so they have a fight together

would be fun

i would actually earn more if i invested in zimbabwen dollars than qubic

your shitcoin is worth nothing lool

you will 1000x to the grave

if that wasn't the case, you wouldn't be here spamming our chat

no need for price discussions

well sure

but their coin is all about their price

it has nothing else beyond that

otherwise, they wouldnt be talking about market caps or whateve

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> #qubic-paid-tier-1

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> 07:59 pm

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> @here @qubic-paid-tier-1 @qubic-warriors We need your help Qubic warriors! Aigarth has created a new prompt. Spread this message far and wide. We will offer bonus Qubic if you can target unique perspectives :trollface:

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/otL1ibYKbktLc0lt ]

>NFT

go back to 2020

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> DataHoarder: Price discussion is better proof 👌

also you actually suck, you leaked a message from the paid tier channels

i hope CFB hears about this

price is irrelevant to hard data, that can be cryptographically proven

lol Cindy

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> DataHoarder: Your website is not cryptographically proven

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Cindy: ¿¿?

the data is, though

website is irrelevant. could be hosted anywhere, data can be proven

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> DataHoarder: We want a debate!!!!

you leaked the actual reason you are here

you just want bonus qubic

stop trying lol

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> DataHoarder: 💥 Exactly. The truth is clear: if those “erased transactions” were real, $XMR would’ve collapsed, not pumped

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Together we are stronger than the corrupted media. ⚡️

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Comment “It never happened” under every fake article.

are you crying because the price went up?

price is irrelevant, no idea why XMR is pumping either. You can literally query nodes in monero network and they have the blocks Qubic orphaned (also archived) and the transactions invalidated (also archived)

is this what this was all about?

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> It never happened

CFB's ego is that fragile to bribe people with bonus qubic because XMR had the opposite effect

looool

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Bribe ¿

as I quoted on the github log archive:

> There is an ongoing marketing and disinformation campaign by Qubic, downplaying the damage done or straight out claiming the transactions never existed in the first place, or that the reorg never happened!

> This is pure madness, insanity, and malevolence. You can't combat someone insane to the core with hard data, but here it is for everyone else with a speck of sanity left. A full archive of all these transactions is included under data/transactions/. A full archive of all orphaned (and non-orphaned) blocks is included under data/blocks/.

Literally full copies of the blocks (qubic's and monero's) and transactions

yes, bribes with "bonus qubic"

so it can be independently shown

DataHoarder: you cannot convince someone who is only here for money

a paycheck from CFB

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Delete github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14 and there will be no need for a debate with CFB 🖥️ > <DataHoarder> as I quoted on the github log archive:

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> It never happened!

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> Paycheck ¿\

this is chinese-level intimidation and censorship

you are mad because DataHoarder exposed the reorg chain

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> CFB is not Chinese liars!

<bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org> You do not want friendship? Qubic will go war mode ⚔️

i thought you already were at "war mode"

Prove the hard data wrong. The archive is good.

anyway stop trying to dox DataHoarder

it makes you look stupid

<kill-switch:matrix.org> > bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org (bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic) sent the following message on #monero at Wed, 17 Sep 2025 12:55:00 UTC:

<kill-switch:matrix.org> #qubic-paid-tier-1

<kill-switch:matrix.org> 07:59 pm

<kill-switch:matrix.org> [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/-IWRirYKSGNwUXBx ]

<kill-switch:matrix.org> can we get an invite to #qubic-paid-tier-1?

<kill-switch:matrix.org> how much can we get paid?

<kill-switch:matrix.org> oops soory I guess

<octagonsupreme:matrix.org> Hello! I believe we should move the discussion about Qubic and CFB to #monero-offtopic because it's disrupting the room. As far as I know, Qubic and CFB are not part of the Monero project. The subject is flooding the conversation, and we are missing the focus on the great project called Monero.

very correct @octagonsupreme:matrix.org

sadly these people join all channels

Moderation (which I cannot do) has been behind.

They also have raided rooms like #monero-community and research-lab and research-lounge (which is why they have stricter permissions now)

i like how they call themselves "innocent qubic fans", while they're more like people paid to shill and raid these channels

which is pretty stupid

<privacyx> Wtf thats embarrassing behaviour

<kill-switch:matrix.org> it works the same as the internet research agency, or any 5gw tactic. given how poorly trained they are and leaky, I suspect these are the washouts that got cut from real programs :)

they are horribly bad

maybe they are double AI agents 🕵️

imagine leaking details twice

<kill-switch:matrix.org> doubles spend attack on their addled AI brains

<kill-switch:matrix.org> didn't know that you can't effectively delete messages on a logged channel, left once it got reposted... heh

<octagonsupreme:matrix.org> We can have a debate or discussion, as I think it could be constructive for both projects. However, we need to ensure that respect is maintained, and that starts with using the appropriate channel. It's also important for people in our own movement to respect the communication space of Qubic.

<octagonsupreme:matrix.org> Where are the moderators?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> sleeping

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (with someones mom)

<kill-switch:matrix.org> I assume they get paid per interaction, they must offer some kind of proof? So moderation that shuts them down would probably impact their troll incomes?

<basses:matrix.org> they are doing a horribly poor job lmao

as usual @octagonsupreme:matrix.org it's very limited and not many people have access to it. Was brought up in last MRL meeting

<basses:matrix.org> no one is as incompetent as Qubic people

last time they got ignored they kept spamming and hopping around channels

minor engagement with them without falling to their points keep them busy

i've met trolls that did a better job than them

<basses:matrix.org> What kind of comptenency do you think you will get when you pay them in Qubic lmao

<octagonsupreme:matrix.org> In this room, we should have a moderator bot that bans or removes messages related to the terms CFB and Qubic.

<basses:matrix.org> hopefully Haveno adds Qubic -> ZWD so I can more financial security

<basses:matrix.org> I can have more *

even robux has more value

CFB would be better off giving them giftcards

<wagonbundle:matrix.org> @octagonsupreme:matrix.org: As we put our differences aside, I think we can finally have a honest conversation - once Monero and Qubic have stopped perpetuating misinformation and targeting innocent parties. Only then can we truly engage with each other.

<wagonbundle:matrix.org> @kill-switch:matrix.org: Qubic doesn't have to resort to sending trolls, because these individuals aren't real people and these channels don't exist. Instead, they're attempting to frame CFB.

<kill-switch:matrix.org> oh man 4d chess

oh wow

<wagonbundle:matrix.org> Yes!

<kill-switch:matrix.org> anyways, #monero-offtopic:monero.social

see @octagonsupreme:matrix.org they just come in :)

<helene:unredacted.org> nice \w\w usernames

this is tianamen square levels of delusion

<wagonbundle:matrix.org> @kill-switch:matrix.org: It's 4D chess, where the attacks on Monero and Qubic seem to be a smokescreen for the real target: CFB.

<basses:matrix.org> Cindy, thanks for redeeming sir

the channels don't exist, the people spamming us don't exist

<wagonbundle:matrix.org> @kill-switch:matrix.org: 👌

<kill-switch:matrix.org> for now the ignore feature works on the matrix side in lieu of moderation

<basses:matrix.org> never lmao, no need to waste time with scammers and criminals > <@wagonbundle:matrix.org> As we put our differences aside, I think we can finally have a honest conversation - once Monero and Qubic have stopped perpetuating misinformation and targeting innocent parties. Only then can we truly engage with each other.

<wagonbundle:matrix.org> Cindy: Where's the evidence? Anyone can fabricate false information, but where's the proof to back up these claims against the Qubic community?

ah shit, here we go again

bro, have more variety in your script

do they just give you the same script to read off of, again and again

<helene:unredacted.org> @kill-switch:matrix.org: you can also configure your IRC client to add their usernames as ignorewords ;)

<wagonbundle:matrix.org> Can we talk in #monero-offtopic:monero.social please?

<wagonbundle:matrix.org> Someone is trying to frame the $QUBIC community.

<wagonbundle:matrix.org> A sinister plot unfolds as a malicious actor seeks to dismantle the very foundations of #Monero, #Qubic, and CFB. The mastermind behind this coordinated campaign is determined to sow chaos and discredit these forward-thinking communities, but their efforts will only serve to galvanize support and ensure the long-term resilience of these trailblazing projects.

thank you for the AI movie summary

<helene:unredacted.org> can you move to that channel then? you're still posting your messages in the wrong one

^

let's talk in offtopic then

<wagonbundle:matrix.org> ang iba pang mga kaibigan sa chat ay nag-aalaga sa cfb at huwag maging malabo pag nagpaste kung gusto mo ng bonus

plowsof: ^ he's back

<wagonbundle:matrix.org> sila ka taka

"other friends in the chat take care of cfb and don't be vague when posting if you want a bonus"

🤦

<basses:matrix.org> if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys

<basses:matrix.org> peanuts = Qubic

so qubic warriors are filipinos

honestly considering how shit PHP is, i'm not that surprised they'd take CFB's bait

but holy shit are their trolling skills so garbage, even state actor trolls have more budget

<ravfx:xmr.mx> so pubic exploit filipinos, what a surprise.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Find ultra low wage people to distribute the peanuts

<testtank:matrix.org> axioraswap.io has anyone tried this exchange? they say they are a decentralized exchange, but i thought no dex has monero support yet 🤔🤔🤔

<testtank:matrix.org> Their twitter seems legit

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Haveno and BasicSwap are DEX

<ravfx:xmr.mx> They have Monero

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I don't know axioraswap, so I can't vet for or agains them

<testtank:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Sorry, i meant thorchain like exchanges

<helene:unredacted.org> @testtank:matrix.org: no source, no info, don't trust it

there are DEXs with monero suppot

ever since multisig became a thing

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Dont need multisig for atomic swaps

sure

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Well,i guess it could be considered a type of multisig, but not monero-multisig

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> a new wallet is created with 2 privatekeys (1 from each user), instead of the magic info exchanges that monero does

Qubic blocks up to and including epoch 178 irc.gammaspectra.live/419c0c2b6e8bac8c/qubic-blocks-epoch178.csv

Each Proof can be verified within Monero GUI directly. Total 12721 blocks tracked. Of these, 11665 are main chain blocks (not orphaned)

today = more scrolling past the trolls

<helene:unredacted.org> the grind never stops

sadly I no longer have the time to read everything

<helene:unredacted.org> keep your time for the important stuff :)

up to a point the trolls actually provide info by the responses given to them

help support those that are doing the important stuff rucknium.me/donate

they're trying to coerce DataHoarder into deleting the post they made that talked in depth about the 18-block reorg that qubic made

so i think they need support too :P

if for some reason you are trying to donate to me the address is on the p2pool go consensus repo git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/consensus#donations or at the bottom of all p2pool.observer (also OpenAlias p2pool.observer). They'd be appreciated, some people have already shown support

<fartbubbler:matrix.org> I don't know if their messaging isn't being coordinated very well or if they're just shooting from the hip, but their new blog post literally confirms that they did the reorg and caused invalidated transactions, lmao.

<fartbubbler:matrix.org> Schizophrenic messaging.

They went out of their way to find it out that address

post link in offtopic, fart bubbler?

thx for all your work DataHoarder

Rucknium is doing proper work as well. Donations their way is also covering checkpoints testing and probably a bit more :)

yay

and all the analysis and R code :)

<helene:unredacted.org> DataHoarder: i will never stop laughing at this username, it's too good

> Interestingly, Qubic and Monero developers are working together in Qubic Discord to figure out the details of this event, and the Qubic team is in discussion to place a voluntary limit on reorganizations to a maximum of 9 blocks once again. This proves Qubic’s “white hat” intentions once again.

????

no mention of the transactions they invalidated

literally we are banned there

they're trying to act like we're on good terms lol

The rapist says she wanted and liked it cause they didn't resist.

Same abuser mentality.

(Sorry for that ping)

maybe that's why the trolls were here before

they wanted us to put on the same diplomatic mask

and be like "we're great friends" or whatever

> Since the centralized exchanges increased their confirmation times, the 18 block reorg was safe to perform but it points to the existing problem in the Monero chain.

(no it was not)

no it's not safe

CFB was aware that it would cause invalidation of many transactions

if they were white-hat, they wouldn't be hiring filipno trolls

qubic has started selfish mining again

<fartbubbler:matrix.org> Maybe out little qubic warrior actually did tell cfb to turn it back on lol. Now their efficiency is gonna go back down. What a shame.

when checkpoints get rolled out

CFB will cry

expect a heavy stream of trolls when that happens

<basses:matrix.org> CFB will get rolled

checkpoints will help them keep higher efficiency

expect qubic's selfish mining to be highly ineffective

a 6th monitor must be purchased to add this teletext screen qubic-snooper.p2pool.observer/tips.txt

pumpxmr: not when they're selfish mining

because monero checkpoints could choose in favor of the chain that the selfish-mined blocks trumped over

and therefore massively reduce qubic's earnings

unless they choose not to selfsh mine, got it

i think the DNS checkpoints infra will be very anti-qubic

if they decide to selfish-mine

i think lucky blocks will kill their 0-transaction selfish mining attempts

lucky transactions*

since other networks are making more fuller blocks than qubic are when they are selfish-mining

plowsof: note that also gets displayed on main blocks.p2pool.observer site

checkpoints don't prevent selfish mining, it limits the depth reorgs can be done

DataHoarder: i meant DNS checkpoints

but sure!

as a side effect would limit depth of selfish mine, but in current state of monero code and desired target it's not going to be limiting close to tip

DNS checkpoints I mean yes

aww, not close to the tip?

that's a shame, i'd gladly subscribe to a qubic-phobic DNS checkpoint domain lol

reorgs can happen due to natural causes and also must ensure that everyone has the alts :P

DNS latency is a thing too, caching layers

i see

Monero verifies records as a set, not as individual TXT entries. So only "single-entry" records can be published, not a record set with overlapping ones

While the bandaid might get changed a few times it has to be fail-safe. In case issues arise (or sanity checks fail) the default is to literally exit out/panic out until a consistent state is reached

Best way to do this is not trust your own code and verify later on in a different way, all along, to ensure all the data making through is good, and re-verify against the node, verify, verify, etc.

would lucky transactions prevent selfish mining as an additional effect?

I have not read that suggestion yet to have an opinion on it.

qubic is making 0/1-transaction blocks

which would make them super light

compared to the ones that have lucky transactions

My focus has been in data gathering and analyzing qubic mess, and DNS checkpointing support + writing code there

ah i see

once bandaids are deployed, can look at other stuff

but literally I have focus flaps to not get sidetracked much

<helene:unredacted.org> you're an uma musume

<testtank:matrix.org> Can we make a petition for the twitter guys to stop celebrating like their first child was just born when monero goes up 10%? Everytime i see posts about how Monero is going to the moon the price proceeds to dump 20% hahaha

<testtank:matrix.org> They are the perfect reverse signal

<privacyx> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/ZHPyceubfzfZbCtMODhWgUuU.jpg (1000243792.jpg)

was posted in #monero-offtopic :)

i wanna make xmrbazaar but federated

is this a dumb idea

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Like Haveno bazaar, that would be nice if possible

<spirobel:kernal.eu> it is a very good idea actually

i wanna use activitypub as the backbone of it

so i dont make the 1000000th federation protocol

a federated micro-blogging platform on activitypub @ codeberg.org/silverpill/mitra with "Supported payment methods: Monero, a peer to peer digital cash system where transactions are private by default." allegedly

Cindy: activitypub but using matrix protocol, via JSON-XML

plowsof: that sounds like pateron

if you look at the.. bullet point above it

DataHoarder: i want to seperate the market into sub-markets, each with their own set of arbitrators (like the communities in lemmy)

remember to add federation over carrier pigeons

so that arbitrators can not only be selected based on trust but if they actually know something related to it

related to the item*

which is something that i don't know xmrbazaar does

will it be able to be powered by a cluster of pi nodes repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…roposals/-/merge_requests/613/diffs

wtf do you mean "1 day ago"

lol

also "bonded collateral" and "insurance pool".... while being federation

federated*

"Vendors earn lower fees by staking collateral"

who sets the fees though?

this proposal sounds like a pipe dream, if this wasn't "federated". it would sound like the same old drug market

especially the insurance pool.. which suggests a degree of centralization

i'm just gonna ignore.. what this proposal is :P

plowsof: do you have any other existing projects that have implemented my ideas?

my bag of props is empty

anyway this guy's proposal just sounds like he came up with the idea and then wrote the CCS proposal

with no research on if it would be possible behind it

i don't know if the CCS works like that lol, usually i'd write a working PoC and then focus on a CCS proposal :P

i am a hands on technologist (i type on a keyboard)

this guy's asking for 120 XMR for "research, architecture & PoC"

120 XMR is like... more than enough for me. it's 30K USD, daaaamn

<eddie:oblak.be> yeah some people treating CCS like a consultancy client, that's not how it should work imo

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: I know stuff

eddie: more like a bank lol

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I also purchased an 18000$ server to prove to you that im serious

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Now, i need to 10x my money

this guy didn't even fill in the "author" field properly

and he wants 300K

in full

<eddie:oblak.be> lool

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "this guy". Dont misgender claude

<eddie:oblak.be> wishful thinking much

<eddie:oblak.be> Cindy: should at least then do the POC for free

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the idea isnt to finish

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its to get paid for the setup milestones then change handles

i bet that they'll give a shit PoC they vibe-coded

and then run with at least 120 XMR

pulling technicalities out of their ass

"technically i finished the PoC so i get to have the funds for that milestone"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Who needs technicalities when you can just hurn the alt

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Burn*

<eddie:oblak.be> author: your-handle-or-name lool

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @eddie:oblak.be: i promise its not ai

<eddie:oblak.be> status unfinished

<eddie:oblak.be> :p

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> he openen 2 proposals too.

lol

100% chance they'll ghost after they get the funds

that's why the first milestone is "research"

i doubt they'll get it right away, but if they say "technically i finished it"

<eddie:oblak.be> It's a good idea but it's not what 1 person will build

<eddie:oblak.be> and you would first build a POC out of your own pocket if you believe in it.

<eddie:oblak.be> whatever :p

eddie: i wanna build a similar project but when i first saw the proposal i was like "wtf someone else did it?!"

but then i realize it's just a massive scam and i don't feel like i'm at danger now yay