<redti1989:matrix.org> Whats so revolutionary about Monero that some freaks clame its gonna change the world? For me it's just another merchandise on the market and you need centralized bank money to be able to own some and use them.

<redti1989:matrix.org> How is this merchandise gonna change the world??

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> same way cash was a gamechanger

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> xmr = digital cash

there are many types of money

some are better than others

xmr is useful for some people

<redti1989:matrix.org> But to clame its gonna change the world and end poverty and inequality and so on is exaggerated isn't?

I've never heard claims that it would end poverty and inequality

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> No one with a brain believes any singular thing can possibly end poverty/inequality

<redti1989:matrix.org> I love Monero so f*cking much

<redti1989:matrix.org> Everyday I wake up and think of how it can completely revolutionize the world. No man has succeeded in taking down central banking. They simply get overthrown or killed and their entire system of state banking which made the nation prosperous gets thrown out and the same old central banking system gets installed

<redti1989:matrix.org> He who controls the money runs the nation. Not only will democracy actually be possible but there will be no more inflation, usury and endless wars that are used to prop up the fraudulent system of theft, murder and deception of the broad masses[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/nIDAzscKb2x3N09G ]

<redti1989:matrix.org> That is an example on reddit Monero channel

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> can

<redti1989:matrix.org> I don't think so

people say all sorts of things

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> also le reddit is pretty full of exaggerating claims these days

I am rarely on red it

<redti1989:matrix.org> I agree me too

<redti1989:matrix.org> It sound like the Prophet of Bitcoin crypto anarchist in Mexico

<redti1989:matrix.org> Lol

the difference between humans and other animals is their ability to make shit up

<redti1989:matrix.org> Among other things

<redti1989:matrix.org> Anyway thanks we clarified something

<4sight:matrix.org> People still use Reddit???????????? > <@redti1989:matrix.org> That is an example on reddit Monero channel

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> lots of bots do XD

<redti1989:matrix.org> Im guilty

<redti1989:matrix.org> But its a minor offense compared to using facebook

<redti1989:matrix.org> Which i dont use, but thats offtopic

<redti1989:matrix.org> 😁

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> or is it house? I can never remember

<4sight:matrix.org> @gzx:metropolis.nexus: monerobull closed it down

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> anything take it's place or monero homies say forget lemmy?

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> piefed does seem a better option at this point too.

<4sight:matrix.org> DAVEJP MY OPPS FUCK DAVEJP

<4sight:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/DVrLSkimXSXzfrZaWuQILMZY.png (davejp.png)

<4sight:matrix.org> @gzx:metropolis.nexus: You can probably find the name of that Nostr-like instance I forgot in the monero.town announcements

monerotown is up

maybe just can't access from tor

<4sight:matrix.org> Not for long

<4sight:matrix.org> monerobull said he is closing it down look at the latest announcement

you said that it is closed

yes I know that he is trying to switch platforms

when was the latest announcement

I heard about a week ago

yeah 6 days ago

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> man, I haven't heard nostr mentioned in a while—will give it another glance soon, thanks

<4sight:matrix.org> I found it

<4sight:matrix.org> @gzx:metropolis.nexus: monstr.land

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> this seems like abandonware, though—can anyone confirm?(or deny)

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> nvm—it's not even foss, I'm good

<kekzploit:matrix.org> @gzx:metropolis.nexus: gotta talk nice nice about BTC to get them zaps

<kekzploit:matrix.org> Dudes be talkin about "BTC is freedom money" and dont even be believing it themselves

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> that price is wayyy too high to be called freedom money anymore

hey, i'm confused about the concept of an "output" in monero. if i go on a chain explorer, all i see for each transaction is the sender's key image and the two receiver public key. but elsewhere i see talk of 7 digit outputs/TXOs. are the list of 16 different outputs not public for each transaction? where do I see those on chain?

and also, when are these outputs created or destroyed? if Alice sends some monero to Bob, and Bob sends it back to Alice, can an observer see that the same output has gone back and forth?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> imyxh1: In monero, outputs are inputs

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The real out(in)put is one of the 16 decoys

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> When you view a tx on an explorer, it will show a list of 16 ring members for each input.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If a tx spends 2 inputs, youll see 2 groups of 16 ring members in the tx details

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 1 ring member in each group is the real input

can you link me an explorer that actually displays the outputs? i'm not seeing them on the first few explorers that popped up (or i don't know where to look)

ah, i see. the outputs are identified by offsets. so if Alice sends to Bob (let's say she uses an output with index 100), then Bob sends to Alice, then the index of that output Bob just sent is _not_ 100, it's the offset of the previous Alice→Bob transaction. is this right?

s/index/offset

Offsets are global

Otherwise you'd know receivers

The index is the number of that output in order as included in Monero blocks

Easier case: miner transaction only has outputs p2pool.io/explorer/tx/aab1166d7b683…ec00c1e3a16177549f48196bb60eea1a8d4

If you check the block mined p2pool.io/explorer/block/f05c7f61f7…114089a2d721a8436b47a65f7ca18828ab2

The second transaction continues the output indices

And so on

This is different how other TXO chains refer to spends, where they refer them by the transaction id

ah thank you, p2pool shows it very nicely

the actual p2pool block with tagged outputs if you are curious p2pool.observer/share/f05c7f61f790c…114089a2d721a8436b47a65f7ca18828ab2

<ofrnxmr> "I've noticed that many UK users have issues syncing their wallets and it looks like its not isolated to just one ISP" @monerobull:matrix.org sauce?

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> I'm in the UK, and I rarely have issues

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> even on a worse connection that I just upgraded anyway

<ofrnxmr> A) use a better node

<ofrnxmr> B) use a node that has SSL

<ofrnxmr> C) use dnscrypt or doh

<monerobull:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: my personal experience

<monerobull:matrix.org> i do a lot of r/monerosupport

<monerobull:matrix.org> and ive noticed that node connectivity is mostly an issue with UK people

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> interesting

<ofrnxmr> @monerobull:matrix.org: using what nodes

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> yeah

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> most wallets don't have nodes in the uk

<ofrnxmr> @ofrnxmr: A) is the most likely solution

<ofrnxmr> Id also say A2) is poor internet

<ofrnxmr> If UK was throttling or censoring monero, then (B) should fix it. But i doubt that is the case

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> I'm pretty sure my ISP has tried to block tor before

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> idk if it was just a bad connection they were providing, but everything else was working

<ofrnxmr> same, occasionally i have to use bridges

we need a UK specimen to study

a few times i've had DNS issues before where direct IP connection to a node worked fine

<treelover6000:matrix.org> @nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> hello

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> you spamming me

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> ?

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> lol

<treelover6000:matrix.org> I got blocked in the UK

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> @nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev: ok sorry ignore me

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> @treelover6000:matrix.org: what ISP?

<treelover6000:matrix.org> My ISP blocks Tor unless you use the Azure bridge

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> i see

<treelover6000:matrix.org> @nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev: brsk

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> you should call them up

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> they have no right to block a protocol

<treelover6000:matrix.org> @nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev: I'll try later today

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> find some random pieces of law to cite

ask them to attend a zoom meeting with your chatgpt lawyer present

do we know which isps are blocking tor?

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> plowsof: I think toob may have been at one point, can't fully confirm it tho

<treelover6000:matrix.org> Nicholas Martinez

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> ?

<glax1a:matrix.org> Hello Monero Community,

<glax1a:matrix.org> My name is Nicholas Martinez, a security researcher and developer from Britain with a strong proficiency in Python.

<glax1a:matrix.org> I'm reaching out because I deeply admire Monero's commitment to privacy and would be eager to contribute. My background includes: [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/oaSG5McKdWo0TDBO ]

nthpyrodev i done a quick search - alot of UK isps vegan blocking Tor from 2013 onward , ehh

<ky:tilde.horse> surprisingly i can accept the room invite

i think i am ACL'd on the matrix side

which is fine i guess

<glax1a:matrix.org> @glax1a:matrix.org: I'm also a fan of kyun.host and Monero, which I use in my country despite its illegal status. My XMR address is:

<glax1a:matrix.org> 8AkqQTkTY6WcbpF6U48AZtNozYJ92Qf3uCd73oLDN9JBfrcmpzmaHXsGpzZgYZ3dZUcSfAWMCTRGvPfFGkpydFoCCsRHRuY

<glax1a:matrix.org> Bitcoin: bc1qxy2kgdygjrsqtzq2n0yrf2493p83kkfjhx0wlh

never mind i am not

No begging python dev

<glax1a:matrix.org> Litecoin: LTaGxdGHLZMu8TTKFTpbX92BPttP51jNn4

anyways what is happening to my friend

<glax1a:matrix.org> plowsof: Sorry!

<glax1a:matrix.org> Hi plowsof,

<glax1a:matrix.org> I am writing to sincerely apologize for begging. There is no excuse for my behavior, and I know I hurt you.

<glax1a:matrix.org> I was wrong because I was being thoughtless.[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/6oGf5McKTjY1VzBR ]

I forgive chatgpt

<glax1a:matrix.org> My other account is nthpyrodev I hope alt accounts are allowed

<glax1a:matrix.org> plowsof: 🙏

<ky:tilde.horse> ah so you're the one causing all the psychological torment on here @glax1a:matrix.org

<ky:tilde.horse> i recognize your name and your chaotic energy

<ky:tilde.horse> this one has definitely targeted me before

<glax1a:matrix.org> kypwny.eth

<ky:tilde.horse> yes that is my ethereum wallet

<glax1a:matrix.org> My best friend nice to see you!

<glax1a:matrix.org> I'm just having fun here I'm nthpyrodev

<ky:tilde.horse> glax1a is spreading themselves out across this protocol to lurk and dox people with shitty opsec

<ky:tilde.horse> i dont know who any of the mods are in here but

<glax1a:matrix.org> @ky:tilde.horse: 0x151f87326331392dfFe89215B5B28D59Fd8E39eF

<glax1a:matrix.org> @ky:tilde.horse: False accusations friend? Time to report to the exchanges!

<ky:tilde.horse> what exchanges

<glax1a:matrix.org> I hope you reported your taxes!

<ky:tilde.horse> i have

<ky:tilde.horse> thanks

<glax1a:matrix.org> Goodbye friend

<ky:tilde.horse> anyways all of the metadata you have gathered on me is planted on purpose

<ky:tilde.horse> retard

<ky:tilde.horse> so anyways i believe i've been banned here before for being misassociated with trolls

<ky:tilde.horse> i maintain a presence everywhere to stay intelligent

<ky:tilde.horse> glax1a doxed a fellow room member here and i came to investigate

<ky:tilde.horse> and seeing as they were able to post simple info about me so quickly

<ky:tilde.horse> i recommend you all be careful of what you say to anyone on this protocol in any public setting

<terrydavisfollower:gnulinux.club> we know

<terrydavisfollower:gnulinux.club> glowies are building a profile database of monero users and developers

<terrydavisfollower:gnulinux.club> it's one of the methods they use outside of spy nodes, spamming the chain, and the surveillance tool used by chainalysis

<terrydavisfollower:gnulinux.club> fuck blockchain surveillence glowniggers. i read only from the logs now. irc is worse

<terrydavisfollower:gnulinux.club> this place is a trap for newcomers. they will toy with you

<droid192:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/zyLyuXgoGUFUhArAaHRwPwaS.png (image.png)

<droid192:matrix.org> reminder

is matrix becoming discord?

<gan:skhron.org> In which sense?

<kojikyo:matrix.org> @droid192:matrix.org: Which type of keyboard is it on the image, qwerty ?

Hello

does someone use openmonero here? I have setup everything, everything seem to be working fine when I check the logs, but tx list is always empty even after importing the transactions, I tried to use curl to call my node with tx hash and this is working

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> I wouldn't touch openmonero

johny_ if you are hosting a private instance, i would consider switching to monero-lws

openmonero only scans when you login as it does not maintain a database of viewkeys

i had success with the Dockerfile gist.github.com/plowsof/419d04555cbca90e9d45658df35273f0

yes that's a choice, I prefer not storing view keys as well

br-m why you wouldn't touch openmonero?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Theyre prob referring to the localmonero clone

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> yeah

<nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> I thought that's what you were talking about, mb

br-m github.com/moneroexamples/openmonero

plowsof, do you have any idea how to fix my issue with openmonero? that's the first time I am trying to set it up, there isn't any error in the logs so I don't know what is wrong

I have build v0.18.3.4 because I couldn't compile openmonero with latest monero version

i forgot about the localmonero clone who stole the name lol

johny_ honestly i would use monero-lws, or is there a specific reason you want to use openmonero instead of monero-lws

well I prefer not storing view key and use mariadb

is openmonero something supposed to be working? if it is not it would be great to write it on the github repo...

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @kojikyo:matrix.org: Dvorak

<ravfx:xmr.mx> It's good because people won't touch your computer (and in bonus you type faster)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> It's anoying because you have to remap all the keys on most game you launch

BTW this reminds me of a funny flaw my keyboard has. I am very happy with it overall, and this could've been fixed with a new set of keycaps, but still amusing nobody caught this.

There is an RGB backlight... But the keycaps do not have transparent parts in them. So there's a light, but you still can't type in the dark unless you're capable of blind typing XD

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, lot of keyboard have that flaw, It's by design (I think it's cheaper and it still have that RGB flashiness even if it's technically useless)

It's not useless in that it looks pretty.

Didn't know it was common))

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, like my first keyboard with a light back in the early 2000

<ravfx:xmr.mx> It was before RGB so I went into a car shop and got a flexible neon thing and made my own.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But yeah, it's so it look pretty.

nice

<ravfx:xmr.mx> BlueyHealer: I think that RGB keyboard with opaque keys, are more common than the one with transparent letters

I just never thought of that because my laptop keyboard doesn't have such a problem.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Now they have two type of lightning too

<ravfx:xmr.mx> You have leds between the keys and leds "in the switchs"

<ravfx:xmr.mx> The latter one are better if you have transparent cap (if you don't want the light to bleed all over but just want to see the keyboard letter illuminated)

<kojikyo:matrix.org> Interesting, i didn't knew that one. It's really that fast that you would change from a classic one ? > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> Dvorak

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @kojikyo:matrix.org: yes

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Take about a month-ish to adjust, assuming your not touching other qwertys

<kojikyo:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: well i'll think about give it a try

<ravfx:xmr.mx> qwerty have been designed to prevent jam in mecanical typewriter (and for marketing them)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> It's just totally unoptimized for current day keyboards

<kojikyo:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: yeah i heard about it, it's just that i get so used to it and i hardly ever see people using different keyboard

<hooftly:matrix.org> Never met or talked to anyone who used dvorak. Its like seeing a unicorn! Haha

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You've never seen a unicorn?

<hooftly:matrix.org> I have not

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ..living under a rock, i suppose?

<hooftly:matrix.org> I guess I need to get out more

hi, can monerod accept spend proofs to deduct spent outputs from the final amount?

in a view-only wallet

<kekzploit:matrix.org> Anybody tinker with RISC-V SBCs such as milkv.io/mars ?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @kekzploit:matrix.org: It's a waste of money

<ity:itycodes.org> I tinker with RV and wanted to get a Mars but haven't yet

<ity:itycodes.org> Most of my RV stuff is emulator and ISA + Verilog stuff

<kekzploit:matrix.org> As somebody who is a fan of monero doing what it can given a given threat model, but also doesnt believe privacy exsists as devices are born compromised, i have become super interested in open source silicon, risc-v and verifiably clean hardware to the max extent it can be

<kekzploit:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Whats wrong with it, im thinking about grabbing one

<ravfx:xmr.mx> For the same price you can get a Thinkcentre

<ravfx:xmr.mx> 20x more oomph

<ravfx:xmr.mx> can be upgraded to 64GB ram

<ravfx:xmr.mx> can be upgraded to 16TB storage

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Have 3 display output and like 6-7 USB[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/6tHg7scKUmVWMzcw ]

<ravfx:xmr.mx> They also come with a metal case

<ravfx:xmr.mx> instead of no case

<kekzploit:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: is it RISC-V?

<kekzploit:matrix.org> Its the architecture im after, not just the fact is a SBC

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @kekzploit:matrix.org: Who care, thgey have proprietary Risc-v chip

<ravfx:xmr.mx> from Starfive

<kekzploit:matrix.org> the mars specifically/

<kekzploit:matrix.org> and better suggestions?

<kekzploit:matrix.org> merely chasing the dream here and doin due diligenc

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I don't think non proprietary risc-v chip exist

<kojikyo:matrix.org> I just took a quick look on the site, what's the difference between this and a rasberry (i'm a beginner in electronics and hardware) > <@kekzploit:matrix.org> Anybody tinker with RISC-V SBCs such as milkv.io/mars ?

<kekzploit:matrix.org> @kojikyo:matrix.org: RISC-V itself is an open-source instruction set architecture (ISA),

<ravfx:xmr.mx> The rasberry surely have way better software support (There also over expensive turds nut well, better support for sure)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @kekzploit:matrix.org: X86 is too

<ravfx:xmr.mx> if you talk about the ISA

<kojikyo:matrix.org> @kekzploit:matrix.org: oh okay so the difference is on the firmware

<ravfx:xmr.mx> actually all ISA are kinda open, else no no opensource compilers

<kekzploit:matrix.org> I have an RPi 5 doing some bits and pieves, i just find myself looking at the devices around me and almost smelling mossad

all ISAs are open

you could literally reimplement one yourself

the difference is that RISC-V takes extensions from a wide variety of people

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yep, and as long as you reimplement (not clone), then I think they can't even sue you

rather than just a company thing

<kojikyo:matrix.org> Cindy_: isnt that complicated ? like don't you have to rewrite in assembly the basics on it ?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> No one do that thru because it take an enormous amount of money and brains to design chips

kojikyo: wdym complicated

<kekzploit:matrix.org> yh, out of my skillset

you have to make the instructions work as they should

and replicate the register set

<kojikyo:matrix.org> Cindy_: i probably misunderstood nvm

<kekzploit:matrix.org> I'm building out a platform, in my utopian vision i see some verifiably clean, distributed, monero optimized RISC-V boxes doing... something 😛

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Reimplementation used to be popular (just look at the number of chip you can put into 8086->pentium class machines

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But more the time advance, the more the chip are better and faster and so re-implementation get exponentially more expensive and are not able to compete

<kekzploit:matrix.org> anybody any good with golang at all?

kekzploit: unless they give you the Gerber files and shit, it's not open source silicon

it is a proprietary reimplementation of a "open source" ISA

<kekzploit:matrix.org> Cindy_: Thanks, a lot to learn

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Is that even gerber files? We are talking about silicon, not pcb !

what file format do they use to design the transistors of an ASIC?

<kekzploit:matrix.org> so, if you had to, in spite of all this, point to a device, or tinkerer, or something which looks to be the best option given all uncertainty, any suggestions?

i forgot

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: I have no idea actually

<gan:skhron.org> we have a project like this: libresilicon.com

<gan:skhron.org> but de facto, having full design of most CPUs is rather useless for the most part

<kekzploit:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: ive had kicad icon staring at me from my screen for like 6 months waiting to be used, anybody into pcb design and all that jazz?

<gan:skhron.org> unless you could drill out the fuse 🧌

<kojikyo:matrix.org> Cindy_: this discussion is way too complicated for me i don't even know what's an ASIC

it's another term for a chip

gan: "auditable chips" lol

how do you know that the CPU that you bought is the exact same as that file you got from the manufacturer

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @kekzploit:matrix.org: mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/rALdxtJgJXcwJXHNkMhzLJPh.png (clipboard.png)

unless you decide to melt down the packaging and take a shot of the die

<ity:itycodes.org> Mars is not open hardware > <@kekzploit:matrix.org> As somebody who is a fan of monero doing what it can given a given threat model, but also doesnt believe privacy exsists as devices are born compromised, i have become super interested in open source silicon, risc-v and verifiably clean hardware to the max extent it can be

<kojikyo:matrix.org> oh yeah i just search it up i didnt knew what the letters stood for > <Cindy_> it's another term for a chip

<ity:itycodes.org> Nor is the SoC or the CPU

chips are the most hardest shit to audit independently tbh

<ity:itycodes.org> No > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> X86 is too

<gan:skhron.org> Most so-called open hardware is usually just have open PCB designs, and that it

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @ity:itycodes.org: YEs, you can know all the commands (instruction set) of that (architecture)

you have to melt down the packaging of the chip with acid, and look at the die with an electron microscope

and study each and every transistor

<kekzploit:matrix.org> ive been trying to make some sense of this in my spare time: opentitan.org/documentation/index.html

<ity:itycodes.org> Open source RV CPU? Doesn't exist. There's the XuanTie OpenC910 but that's just a softcore for the C910, the hardware C910 can differ. > <@kekzploit:matrix.org> and better suggestions?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: It's too small to analyse at that point afaik

<ravfx:xmr.mx> even with a SEM

yes

it's infeasible to reverse engineer modern chips

plowsof which frontend are you using with monero-lws? I tried mymonero-web-js, everything works fine but I am not able to send funds, I have an error on client side: TypeError: e is undefined after response from get_unspent_outs endpoint

people usually do it with like old or cheap ones with fewer transistor density

<kojikyo:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Wait could someone explain me what are exactly the commands ? I tought it was like jmp, mov, ret you can see when deassembling an executable but you made it sound different

<gan:skhron.org> Cindy_: Everything is feasible with some time, it's just that we'll be probably dust when they'll be liberated

<kekzploit:matrix.org> the old, "trust always rearing its head" conundrum > <Cindy_> unless you decide to melt down the packaging and take a shot of the die

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @kojikyo:matrix.org: no it's that

<ravfx:xmr.mx> the command in assemblers is the instruction set

<ravfx:xmr.mx> You can go lower (for example opcode, that are generated by the compilers).

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Lower than that you can't (ie, what the microcode do and the micro instruction, and even if you could it have no use for you)

lower than that soetimes you can

MAME managed to dump the microcode of the 68000 and emulate it at that leve

level*

but then again, that shit has been decapped and reverse engineered for years

<kojikyo:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Oh, but so you can know the commands of any architecture if you have it no ? You just deassemble an executable and you see them

<kekzploit:matrix.org> ok so a slight pivot, to go with the better of 2 potential devils, best to go with some chinese tech or something if your in, for example, some 5 eyes country? or, futile due to some supply chain fuckery?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: That's nice actually, but you could also stuff a 68000 in the SEM so that make it more useful (to know what the microcode do)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @kojikyo:matrix.org: yeah, the ISA are all open, so people can make a compiler.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> GCC can pretty much compile for everything

<kekzploit:matrix.org> or its simply all an illusion and they are one? baah

kekzploit: the CPUs are made in taiwan mostly anyway

regardless where you go.. unless you go with intel

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @kekzploit:matrix.org: depend

<ravfx:xmr.mx> chose the lesser spy

i'd rather trust taiwan than china

<ravfx:xmr.mx> who can touch you?, assuming they all spy on you

<kekzploit:matrix.org> Cindy_: damn TSMC

<kekzploit:matrix.org> yh but the US own taiwan, no

<ity:itycodes.org> It Depends™ > <Cindy_> it's infeasible to reverse engineer modern chips

<ity:itycodes.org> A few theoretical methods exist

they don't own taiwan

it's independent

<kekzploit:matrix.org> have them int he back pocket?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @ity:itycodes.org: HAve a spy to steal the chip drawing files

<kekzploit:matrix.org> big daddy protect you from china

more like everyone

because taiwan is the only one with the equipment to make the best chips ever

and most of the tech companies are depending on them

if china invades, it'll be suicide for them

<kekzploit:matrix.org> Cindy_: yes, but arent much of the tech dutch?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: Actually no, the equipement in question is made by ASML

<ravfx:xmr.mx> There from NL afaik

<kekzploit:matrix.org> @kekzploit:matrix.org: ^^

regardless

most of the companies depend on TSMC

it would be suicide for china to invade

at least, that's what they're betting on

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, TSMC have the biggest collection of ASML machines!

<ravfx:xmr.mx> and ASML don't sell them to the chinese or russian

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: China can make chip actually

<ravfx:xmr.mx> If they invade or just blow up TSMC, it's going to cause a massive chip shortage

<ravfx:xmr.mx> as the other big one I think is like Samsung in SK

<ravfx:xmr.mx> TSMC is going to start the production in US soon

<kekzploit:matrix.org> am i right in my thinking that the whole china wanting taiwan is literally about TSMC?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> so the china advantage for that is going away

TSMC is not dumb enough to give up all they got to the US

<interestingband:matrix.org> youtube.com/watch?v=vYqAMHQuNPw; "Chip Scan 3D X Ray Imaging of CMOS Integrated Circuits" > <Cindy_> it's infeasible to reverse engineer modern chips

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @kekzploit:matrix.org: Yeah, maybe, but it's too late the moment TSMC start to make chip in the US

<interestingband:matrix.org> it's from 2022, I don't know what is the state of the art right now, but it will be feasible eventually to doo scanning and automatic reconstruction of IC within any hardware

<kekzploit:matrix.org> trump got em building in texas?

<interestingband:matrix.org> * non intrusive scanning

ravfx: you know about Yamaha's FM synth chips?

it took a group of russians many years to reverse engineer and decap the chip

imagine that with a CPU from 10 years ago :P

<kekzploit:matrix.org> due to the tech lag from what we see as ground breaking new tech from the likes of googles willow chip etc, how long ago do you think DARPA had this tech, 10, 15, 20 yrs ago?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: YEah, and that's like old, I have one right there let me check

it was OPN2 and OPL3

<ravfx:xmr.mx> So it took how long to reverse a chip from.. 1993?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/EGtjdPqzVkyJmxQqYQqRPMir.png (clipboard.png)

johny_ im using a beta wallet atm called skylight wallet thats connected via tor to my own monero-lws instance , sgp_ shared it recently, you would need a google play store account to join the beta :( ive not used my.monero personally

<kekzploit:matrix.org> I see more talk of tor usage than i2p around these monero parts, why is this?

it took like 3 years or something

i don't remember

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @kekzploit:matrix.org: there more people using Tor probably.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: I think back in the days, Crystal Labs (Cirrus Logic) did have decent reimplementation of OPL3 actually.

sure

but they could only use it after 1995

because of the patent on FM synthesis (which expired that year)

plowof I see, I am looking into mymonero source code to try to fix it

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: Yeah, the CS4232

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Released in early 1995

<ravfx:xmr.mx> We should go in offtopic, I noticed we where talking on the main monero chan...

sorry lo

lol

<gan:skhron.org> lol, I thought it's offtopic

<hooftly:matrix.org> @kekzploit:matrix.org: Oh hai

plowsof great news I managed to fix my issue, I added fork_version property to get_unspent_outs endpoint then everything is working fine now

how do you identify spent outputs in a view-only wallet

(as of now, without carrots)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Key images import

ofrnxmr: can these key images be exported?

in the first place?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> docs.getmonero.org/rpc-library/wallet-rpc/#export_key_images