Can I solo mine monero?

Ya

anyone with OpenAlias here?

Yes

lous1F: need help?

@netrik182, need more domains with oa1: in their dns TXT records.

it's not known about well enough IMO.

that or people are just to lazy to edit their DNS. lol

tested with Feather earlier, have not tried sending from a mobile wallet

Feather resolves OA addresses instantly

lous1F: lous1F cakewallet 🍰 supports them fine

Monerujo does too

thought so

not tried cake, why isn't it in f-droid??

the issue on github is still open

They have an APK on their github

it's not on f-droid.

GMS, FCM. not needed

Hello! Our team is working with a Google Ads, specifically with Google Search Advertising. We are looking for the new projects at the moment.

Your company is very interesting for us. What type of partnership do you have? Do you have a referral program?

gabitus[m], which company are you talking about?

lousiF: Monero

Monero is not a company

do you see the name of the channel you're in?

Hi I'm the ceo

Quick question about SCRT network which recently hit the Monero subreddit feed again. How much has the community discussed it in the past? And feel free to suggest I discuss this in a better channel.

My point is I feel like there's a ton of oversights and omissions that should cause everyone to just immediately dismiss SCRT yet I didn't see any opposition that wasn't downvoted heavily.

And yes, the community isn't me, so that just means the community disagrees with me. That's fine. I'm curious if a lack of education would explain that or if there have been comprehensive discussions on how SCRT, and its bridge, works (which not everyone may have seen, but eh, only so much you can do).

some people like it, some people think it's a scam waiting to happen, it's not trustless

ComplyLast: Nor is it private.

That's my main issue with it. I legitimately think they have an extremely immoral advertising campaign and are blatant liars about their whole schtick

And they claim the bridge is at least open source *when it is absolutely not*

nor is it private in which sense?

I haven't looked too much into it tbh

I think there's like an empty repo labelled for the code and then a repo for the "explanation" with 2 markdown files that are generally meaningless

It uses the Intel SGX to provide confidentiality

oh yes I know

It takes me more than one hand to count the amount of Intel SGX data extraction exploits

And Intel has full access to it

Which means any competent nation state can get full access

or at least states that are friendly with the US

So private, *unless you're Intel, a nation state, or yet another exploit has occurred

Pretty sure the Intel CEO will do whatever you want for 100 billion dollars

I do think they clearly outline that they rely on SGX though

Pretty sure you don't have to be friendly with gthe US to have a ton of money

They do, but they never cover the complete access Intel has

thats up to the user to do RTFM

Nor its extremely problematic history which shows it's really not trustworthy

K except it's definitively not private thanks to the Intel access

So even if you say RTFM, when the manual explicitly says their foremost claim is incorrect... how is this moral or good or justifiable?

hmm

I guess it's a matter of trade-offs

I did read this blog post from them which was the most comprehensive resource I could find carter-woetzel.medium.com/secret-ne…talk-fud-vulnerability-33ca94b6df38

for some people privacy granted by SGX might be good enough

It says na 0-day exploit is needed which requires a lab and hardware access

privacy is also a spectrum to some extent

Multiple SGX exploits were software based and publicized before patching

SGX is dog shit

One SGX exploit which did have hardware underclocking was able to be performed with ~$40 of hobbyist equipment according to the researchers

you dont need to convince me

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Right. But if you go to the homepage, they don't say "As private as the SGX*". They say "private".

<kayabaNerve> ComplyLast: Nor is it private.

just missed it, what are you speaking about?

SCRT

And their Medium post completely gaslights the requirements to attack their network

I also don't think we can say RTFM all the time when we're discussing people who don't know how to code and don't know cryptography. Requiring that just means most people can't/shouldn't be in crypto

I personally dont use it and if people ask me I'll share my concerns

One could argue it's more private than CEXes though

so I guess the problem boils down to.. what's the alternative?

One company has access to CEX data, and the governments they share with

With this, one company has access, and the governments they share with

there's one variable there

And I understand even privacy protocols can be broken. XMR and ZEC have had exploitable code in the past. XMR and ZEC were in no way conceivably exploitable at the time they made claims. As soon as they learned of extremely feasible problems, they were completely honest and transparent about it and moved forward

you're assuming Intel is actively backdooring each SGX instance out there.

... no?

They can just build a new chip and do whatever throughout all of history

on the case of DEXs we not only know they do but they actively share data

so for some users, it might be better to use scrt still

They prototype an open SGX, if they don't already have one. They sync SCRT. They have the data.

also no KYC involved

They can spoof any version of the SGX they want. They can spoof any software is running. They can access all data inside of it.

The KYC argument is fair except no one calls CEXs private, even when they don't have KYC

I'm just defending the viewpoint of people who might find it useful regardless, which is not my case.

I'm not saying it's useless

I'm saying it's immoral to call it private and gaslight what's required to attack the network while lying about your software's open source status.

I think those are a fair critics

But yes, you're right, it is still an improvement over Ethereum confidentiality *until its misrepresented*

bitcoin is an improvement over ETH confidentiality

But the fact it has been so misrepresented... yeah. At least with ETH you know what you're getting.

anything is an improvement over ETH account based system

ETH is honest with you about privacy lol

And SCRT is also account based

I guess

Like I know ETH has a ton of problems and SCRT's ability to use wasm is great. I'm not calling it a bad SC platform. If the SGX is available with no penalty, *why not use it*

Even Tari that claims it's private will have its own trade-offs there, if it ever launches.

96% GRIN de-anonymization anyone?

*I do understand the GRIN de-anon was based on network traffic observation and several mitigations were proposed

But also, MW is amount private until QCs

Beam did a good deal of mitigation to te basic MW protocol tho

Secret isn't even amount private now

also you need to onramp via email

:P

With a name like "Secret" that is not secret at all

pretty blantly dumb name

I'm just assuming it is the opposite of a secret

lol

ComplyLast: That one I don't get

Like you can't easily specify a SCRT address in a XMR TX. Memo field isn't UX accessible

*just generate a new address*

afaik you need to email them to wrap your XMR into sXMR

and it's a manual process on their side completely trusted

why even use it then

I dont, some people do and prefer it to using CEXes

what advantage does it have if any?

In the end the more options the better

Some degree of privacy and no kyc

that's what I would say

hrmm

the name is lame

af

period

looking at the corporate logos at the footer is an instant turn off

cointelegraph is run by scam artists

a link to a Nasdaq article?

ComplyLast: Probably why it's not open source despite their blog post claiming it is

Again, I'm fine with calling it equivalent to a CEX for privacy. No one calls CEXs private.

github.com/SecretFoundation/awesome-secret ???

"Secret Monero Bridge - Turn your XMR into the SNIP-20 sXMR"

y

"DeFi"

ShitFi

Oh. According to this, the bridge server does exist as a zip file on their repo.

So either I've missed it for months or it's a comment only recently published despite a historic date.

... I'm not sure I trust downloading a zip file off GitHub but I'll drop my non-OSS claim for now

A lot of these files are months after April though

*May, when this was published as "open source"

-- github.com/scrtlabs/SecretNetwork

-- github.com/SecretFoundation/SecretNetwork ???

done looking at that thing

lol

No, its on someone's personal account.

I may have been a dunce who missed the zip file or they may have forgotten to git push despite having the commit. The DApp is definitely from the last month. The token was undocumented yet just the reference impl of a SCRT token so that's... meh.

The emails may be automatically parsed to execute deposits/withdrawals? Yet then the bridge isn't OSS

Is a human OSS anyways?

Community meeting starting in this room in about two hours!

Is the Matrix IRC bridge working now? Test ping.

Looks good msvb-mtx[m] you idiot.

Hey, is there RogueMaven around? Send me a message

Hello and welcome to a Monero community meeting! These meetings are a chance for updates on recent events in Monero, as well as focussed discussion on crowd funding proposals. Please try and stick to the agenda, as there will hopefully be time at the end for any other business.

1. Greetings

Hello.

Hi hello howareya

Present :)

hi

Greetings.

Hi

hey :)

As far as updates for the past week or so:... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…0578176191a0bf8169ded70db12652a0bf0)

Wow the new Haveno site looks very good, is the author here?

About the point release. We had plenty of languages updated in GUI as well

gnuteardrops announced their website for publishing Monero designs. monero.graphics

Yes I saw that there was some giant translation PR, that's good to see

I assume ErCiccione is behind the haveno website, don't think they are here

We can move onto CCS proposals/updates if no one wants to highlight anything else

First up is monero-guides proposal to create a video guide series

OSPEAD Update: Work continues. I am getting feedback on how to present the "dry run" results from carrington and jberman . Follow the progress here if you dare: github.com/Rucknium/OSPEAD

It doesn't look like they are here. My own opinion is that the first guide video they made was great so a series sounds good. I'm less sure on if the price is a fair level because I am not involved in video production.

Rucknium: sorry for the delay getting back to you, other stuff has gotten in the way recently

Can't comment on prices neither

carrington: No problem at all. In parallel I am working on BCH stuff, so there is no real delay.

If no one has any comments on monero-guides proposal for now we can move on

we should try and comment on the proposal/MR at least (if at minimum for feedback?)

I probably should have shilled this meeting more widely to get proposers to be here to answer questions. Sorry about that.

Fwiw I think a video series would be nice

Yes please drop a comment on any proposals you have opinions on (applies to everyone)

On the MRs

I think the monero-guides proposal should go to funding stage, personally.

Next is Pluja's proposal for Monero education content

(I can't find their matrix handle to tag them)

I looked and tried to find them as well, but failed.

It's a really cool idea, wish we could ask questions.

My own opinion, which I'll add as a comment, is that extra education content would be most effective if it was worked into updates to getmonero.org

Or monerodocs.org.

Or pluja is correct to make it its own specific area.

Yeah I'm not sure which direction is best, but I'll suggest it as something for them to consider

Next is netrik182 's proposal for translation coordination

Would you like to summarize your plans netrik182 ?

Yeah, first month is completed and I would like to keep managing translations

I'm open to any questions you may have

Sure carrington

I'm glad that your first month didn't put you off and that it seems lots of successful translation was completed

Plan is to keep managing contributors and all resources mentioned in the proposal

Do you feel there is a decent number/variety of translators to keep up with changes to the software?

I personally interested in advancing getmonero.org translation

The Russian, Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese are most active

GUI is 100% translated in those languages

German as well iirc

that's pretty cool

Dutch is pretty much active too

I think it is important to emphasise translator recruitment (if that is possible) in languages used in oppressive regimes with low English usage

Of course you can't make volunteers appear, but that is where XMR is most needed

That is great to hear, and that site is very informative. Hopefully things will not get too crazy in the run up to the network upgrade.

Yeah, I am really interested in getmonero.org analytics

There are many interesting interfaces where a manager could make a difference, for example engaging the PT region if we're doing Monerokon in Lisboa.

...which seems to already be quite healthy.

We would benefit knowing where people connect from

And which pages are most visited for example

Such metrics would also interesting to people in #monero-ux:monero I think.social I think

Ill move us on to the TNABC proposal from msvb-mob as time is limited I think

Yes, dankon thanks.

The proposal is quite comprehensive, most things are described well there.

This proposal isn't visible in the "Ideas" frontend section of the CCS btw

If people are using Tor or VPNs, then source of connection to the website doesn't tell much.

The tldr byline is 'we sideload a Monero component into a interesting BTC event by giving out free wallets.'

I think this conference is a good way to get in front of many people's faces

carrington[m]: Can you please suggest what I should do to correct the problem with the 'Ideas' missing?

carrington[m]: yes, not visible in the ideas section.

perhaps luigi1111 is the best suited to assess what is wrong with the draft.

I'm totally lost how to fix the problem with lack of 'Ideas.'

I'm not really sure why that has happened, but I can look into it later if no one else knows

i think the efforts at TNABC are a good idea. as long as we aren't parading around shouting "monero is the new/better/real bitcoin" to everyone, and rather subtly reminding/informing them of the benefits, i don't think there is much overarching risk.

msvb-mob: just in case, carrington[m] is referring to the proposal not showing up in this specific section of the CCS site. ccs.getmonero.org/ideas

Rucknium: true. But knowing which pages they navigate most can be useful to translate first regardless the language

midipoet: While true, there will be other coins there too so there's no way we can possibly be worse than all the other coins out there, lol

We chose staff members wisely to avoid the circus drama midipoet, because we have the same concern. It's a first year experimental interruption (to BTC.)

As I said in the MR, I think giving BTC and XMR equal prominence in the banner would help with this. If it already created then I guess it is too late

usually it is something to do with the content or the way the proposal gets submitted. something must be wrong. problem is, i don't know what that could be.

sgp_: well, that is probably true.

I understand the concept rottenstonks, just was hoping someone would spoon me the solution, oh well.

front-matter?

there are still a few things being deliberated in the comments section of that CCS MR, for what it is worth. everyone should feel welcome to reply and chime in there. repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/274

msvb-mob: you need to edit lines 9 and 13 to read only the numbers 51 and 25

carrington[m]: One banner is created but we were just awarded a lot more graphic real estate to use for such things as your and anhdres' sisterhood concept.

You can't have 66%... and such characters

Thank you netrik182!

We got the Golden package, no joke that's what it is really called.

Extra 7.2 Metres of graphic display just like the commercial folks love to paste with logos.

I would remove " " from the title and fix the date to December 2, 2021

Look at mine to have an idea

We'll probably advance the proposal before there is another meeting, in case anyone is particularly interested in influencing events we do now is the time to speak.

Advance the proposal?

There are a handful of comments you have not replied to, made by me.

One or two I tagged you, still no response to this day.

Those instructions are in ccs.getmonero.org/how-to-ccs

Rotten, it looks like either your messages aren't getting through or you are still banned from the server

Maybe the question fell through the cracks rottenstocks, can you express it here clearly?

And I'll answer if you want one from me personally.

No. It is in the merge request.

The proposal pays the travel costs of 2 people (Michael + Alicia) and Monero tyvek wallets essentially

Please follow up in there.

Ill look again.

Wasn't it a temporary ban? Idk, but we should move on to the next proposal

They only show on IRC for me (monerologs.net)

Yeah, the bot banned me on Matrix, not IRC. Sorry, Matrix folks. Not my decision to have done that. :)

This is the draft proposal for the Monerokon 2022 event. There is a Monerokon -specific meeting right after this at 18:00 UTC in #monero-events:monero.social

I think we can keep most discussion for that meeting, unless someone here cannot make that meeting and would like to comment?

yeah, i would like to say that i am not fond of the idea of adding all the speaker and travel costs into that CCS.

and maybe that is something we should discuss here (as opposed to the planning meeting)

I'll try to attend the next meetting carrington

the main reason is that i don't think its good to over-budget for the event costs AND overbudget/estimate for the travel/volunteer costs - especially in an evolving covid situation

and i especially don't like the idea of creating a milestone for the travel/volunteer costs - as that has price fluctuation risk

My issue is I don't know the scale of such a second proposal, so it's unclear to me if it's realistic to make up the difference by reducing the quoted costs for the first proposal

midipoet: Conversely though, under budgeting could be really really bad like it was last time

carrington[m]: i think that is fair, so we can perhaps guesstimate what that CCS-2 would like. i know sgp threw out a very rough estimate of €1000 per person attending (whether speaker or volunteer). so if we imagine 20 speakers and 5 volunteers?

sgp_: this is very true. but the two PMs that did that budget (that's there day job pretty much), and they were very keen not to have that happen (under-budget)

Well in that estimate the second proposal is half the size of the first

Roughly

however, i am fairly certain that there is near 10k we can save off the first CCS (as we pay invoices/cut costs/make decisions, etc)

so it would be less again.

So the second proposal estimate is what, $20k?

Just rough idea

sgp_: roughly, sure

(i would hope less)

I'd rather you just tack that on to the first one tbh :)

I don't really see the complaint with having a second proposal. If donors don't want to support volunteer costs, that is sad for the volunteers but it doesn't necessarily mess everything up

sgp_: +1

if fear for volatility, add a buffer for the estimated expenses. milestones are there for a reason. set one for the most important matters and a second one for speakers & volunteers costs.

rottenstonks: i don't want to do a buffer - especially as we are in a relatively hostile market for XMR

imagine is Kraken delisted from Europe/US?

what would happen to price?

But I'm also not against having one larger request with rollover into other Monerokons

i don't know and that is a tangent.

i don't see why splitting the CCS into two is such a bad idea

Anyway we should try and fit in the newest proposal and open ideas time

if there's extra money it could get sent back to general fund.

Here is elizabeth 's proposal for ETH-XMR atomic swaps

elizabeth[m]: got any comments on this?

rottenstonks: sure, we can do that. but then we are probably going to have near a €100k proposal (if you include the safety/price/fluctuation buffer)

(Sorry I am moving through these quickly, but we have an unusually large number of proposals and conversations can of course continue here afterwards or in the CCS comment sections)

This will result in flames at me, but I want to say what incredible venue options are up for discussion in the next hour, that it indirectly proves staff planning (and the CCS for it) are quite active and competent.

i personally prefer a single proposal and break it into two or three milestones. apparently, i am not the only one consdering this.

ETH<>XMR atomic swaps are very important. Monero continues to face threats of delisting in centralized exchanges. And ETH has "DeFi".

Or DEXes, rather. DeFi too, I guess.

I see no problem of two proposals if the need be midipoet

Pretty cool if elizabeth[m] appears, we have not heard from her before have we?

Or him.

I'm here for any questions

It would be incredible if easy atomic swaps were possible for users into multiple coins. I see that Farcaster (XMR-BTC swaps) is nearly ready for release

elizzabeth[m]: You're supposed to copy the entire (except for metadata) text in the MR description. So we can read and review easily.

what exactly is the incentive to swap xmr with eth? woudn't it be very expensive?

yeah, i think nearly everybody supports atomic swaps

For the record: I support elizabeth's proposal

elizabeth: Practically speaking, at the end of this CCS, how easy will it be for a noobish user to execute a swap, all things considered?

It gives XMR holders access to the ETH ecosystem

Without trusted third parties

monero-guides[m]: it would be with the current implementation, but there are a few milestones in the proposal that should greater reduce the costs. I'd also like to deploy it on L2 as well as L1

This proposal should be moved yesterday

* it would be with the current implementation, but there are a few milestones in the proposal that should greatly reduce the costs. I'd also like to deploy it on L2 as well as L1

monero-guides: Users are going to swap to the cheap EVM-compatible chain, smartBCH 😉

I'm trying to read it because it sounds totally interesting sgp_ elizabeth[m], and I'm looking here but not finding it repo.getmonero.org/noot/ccs-proposals

if it can be used in other chains, is it simple?

* it would be with the current implementation, but there are a few milestones in the proposal that should greatly reduce the costs. I'd also like it to be deployed on L2 as well as L1

msvb-mob: it's here repo.getmonero.org/noot/ccs-proposa…/master/noot-eth-xmr-atomic-swap.md

elizabeth[m]: By L2 do you mean Arbitrum?

monero-guides[m]: yes, it should be simple to deploy on any EVM based chain

Thanks elizabeth[m], found it now.

it would be nice if the finished product had wrapping and a bow for use else where

in that case

sgp_: probably any L2 :p

monero-guides[m]: do you mean steps for easily deploying it?

yep, an option for those who don't care about the eth ecosystem

yep, I can add steps/documentation for that

Totally off topic, but this is the kind of expert information perfect for Monerokon. And noot/elizabeth is not on carrington[m]'s cryptpad.

There is a meeting in #monero-events:monero.social starting now, so I will end the meeting for the purposes of logs here.

The list of potential speakers is something I need to work on more (others are welcome to add to it or reach out)

I'll make sure to add comments on each proposal and I encourage others to do the same

Thanks for coming all!

Thanks a lot Keiji[m] and carrington[m] for an excellent meeting.

Cool.

thank you!

Ty Carrington!!!

please excuse me for not being available earlier. On the topic of our ccs, we recently completed the final draft of our proposal, which included some minor changes and the addition of a web site which is now live. We would be very glad for this to go through to the funding stage.

It was all carrington this time around haha. Thanks and great job!

Yeah, thanks carrington

Great meeting happening at #monero-events (in a different room) for whoever is still here and interested.

<carrington[m]> "Wasn't it a temporary ban? Idk..." <- Going by the backscroll that involves the mod bot, after being temp banned for blatantly violating Libera policy the temp ban was extended to perma for doing things during the temp like trying to dox members of the greater privacy community like Calyx contributors. Given doxing was involved and this is a privacy community, odds of that being lifted for future meetings, etc are

slim.

Haha, I didn't dox any Calyx contributors xmrscott[m]. That is a lie. Mamushi Droid is a reseller of Pixel devices running CalyxOS, FYI.

I also did not, ever, dox anyone. So both claims are wrong.

By the way, I was wrong about noot/elizabeth not being on carrington's speaking candidate list. They are there.

has someone here heard about log4shell? holy shit blog.malwarebytes.com/exploits-and-…s-just-in-time-to-ruin-your-weekend

Yes, I heard about it a couple hours after it was public- some minecraft friends were wreaking havoc with it

probably 2b2t and related servers burning down the internet as usual

I made 2 dedicated pages to help people understand what the expectations are for Voters and Committee Members

elizabeth: the Monero CCS is definitely a good funding route, but let me know if a MAGIC Grants fundraising initiative would be easier for you. We can protect you with a contract, get donors tax deductibility, and send you a check or XMR. MAGIC Grants is a 501(c)(3) public charity that can give grants to improve the Monero ecosystem

Feedback welcome

gnuteardrops[m]: Make the "with love" text have the size as the "amount".

Could u paint the upper green line to Monero's orange?

Sorta like this: 0x0.st/-F9g.png

Done

added an orange color scheme available for download

gnuteardrops[m]: Great graphics buddy.

Thanks! Feel free to use them.

o/