<3​21bob321:monero.social> There are heaps of forms, but whether you want to spin it up or not

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Getting fucked an leaving the community also works dude ;)

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You’re a total nonce

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Call for submissions to join committee already out, or still WIP?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> We're not the one spelling decentraliSation with S, britcuck.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Go write about it

<s​gp_:monero.social> Coming out in a few minutes

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I also have something coming out

<s​gp_:monero.social> I came out years ago 🌈❤️

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That’s beautiful darling 🦄

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> MCW after dark?

<s​gp_:monero.social> rottenwheel: github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund-Elections

<s​gp_:monero.social> dates and links updated

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> sgp_: cheers. If one gets elected to XMR Committee Fund, that doesn't prevent one from applying to say, MAGIC scholarships, right?

<s​gp_:monero.social> I'm going to say tentatively no, because the selection process is done without knowing names etc

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> sgp_: down. magicgrants.org/funds/committee_expectations

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Down. magicgrants.org/funds/monero/monero_fund_voters

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> magicgrants.org/funds/voter_expectations :P

<s​gp_:monero.social> ok one sec

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> magicgrants.org/funds/voting jeez. np!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> sgp_: there's zero chance of KYC-free MAGIC payouts, in any and all cases? Or there are some hedge cases where KYC-free payouts would be doable? Not asking for committee roles as those are mostly if not at all times volunteering roles, but more as a general MAGIC project question.

<s​gp_:monero.social> All payouts need to be to a known recipient, yes

:thumb-up:

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> CCS payout requests should be discussed tbh.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> it takes very little time to check [the repo](github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app)

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I have regained control of my crates.io account and all crates I care about. I will note I was informed by crates.io that monero-wallet was flagged to them and it was not part of a routine check/automated sweep. Considering this has cost me several hours of time, and incredible amount of stress, and has caused one of the crates I built *and am currently having audited* to have a d<clipped message>

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> irty history, I do take this as an attack against me personally. The innocent argument, that someone didn't know monero-wallet existed and thought they were legitimately reporting squatting due to Cargo's change of policies, doesn't hold IMO given how monero-wallet just had an entire CCS done for it. At the least, I consider it fundamentally selfish where someone had no regard for<clipped message>

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> me and decided to report it for their own benefit.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> It also directly affected the Monero protocol as the crates I registered for the FCMP++ hard fork were hit by this.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I have resolved my account status, and the legitimacy of my monero-* crate registrations, with the crates.io team. I'd like to extend my thanks to the monero-rs organization and boog900 for their assistance during this time.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I'd also like to thank kewbit for transferring monero-wallet back to me, reiterating I do not specifically know who instigated this in the first place. Solely that someone did.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Are these all your crates?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/PsMEfLgnwRbsNpZZuTFJgaCo

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I finished re-registering mine prior to my post here googlemozilla.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> monero-serai/monero-wallet aren't two crates. They're a collection of several crates.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> monero-seed, monero-polyseed, monero-payment-proofs are part of monero-wallet-util and hosted on my repo for that

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> github.com/kayabaNerve/monero-wallet-util

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I'm not reserving 20 crates for future development. They're just pending audit or unable to be published until their dependencies are (and their dependencies are pending audit)

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I'm not particularly familiar with Rust, but I assume crates are like npm? These are very important for Serai's release because installing and updating these dependencies rely on them being available in crates? It's good to see that you've got a hold of them again. Thank you again for your work.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Correct in that they're like npm

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Serai doesn't have to specify crates via crates.io. This is for the purposes of mass distribution of the work I did for the community. That's why this is so incredibly trashy of whoever flagged my work.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Got it.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> A bit worrying though isn’t it? Wallet libraries just able to change hands.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s almost as if they’re some sort of.. currency.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Perhaps a trademark of some kind would help?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The Monero group as an entity?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Is Monero project even an entity?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> If only there were a Monero Foundation...

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Well, it’s seems appropriate to have one.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And simple register trademarks for these names

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And simply register trademarks for these names

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I had previously suggested the idea, but it appears to be unpopular.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> For example, ofrn prefers an anarchist approach, which involves calling out individuals who break rules.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> You are repeatedly trying to find ways to centralize the development of Monero.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I would only say it would be unpopular (for me) if no one person has guaranteed a position on the board of it.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t know if that is or isn’t the case

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> A foundation can be decentralized by having multiple members from around the world.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> A bit like a 501(3)c I guess the public control the board so can other companies and government I think though :/

That's still centralized. You have X amount of people you can put under duress to pull levers at your beck and call.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> 🤦‍♂️

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It is not a dichotomy

There won't be a XMR foundation, quit asking or proposing it. Or keep wasting your time. :shrug:

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Monero is already centralized to a certain extent, as the majority of the CCS funds are controlled by one individual - Luigi. How can a foundation be any worse?

Starting from the fact Core isn't that active at all...

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s the new centralized decentralization!

That's like saying L-BTC is decentralized because there's a conssortium of partnering companies/signers!

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> No. Having multiple members is not decentralized. If you need interested in that kind of setup, you can look at Algorand. They have a foundation, CEO and decentralized exchanges and everything you are looking for.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If that’s the truth, people have to have a lot of trust in each other and hope for the best.

The CCS and general fund pot situation should improve once multisig is feasible with FCMP++ and CARROT.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> > <@googlemozilla:matrix.org> A foundation can be decentralized by having multiple members from around the world.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> No. Having multiple members is not decentralized. If you are interested in that kind of setup, you can look at Algorand. They have a foundation, CEO and decentralized exchanges and everything you are looking for.

Go all in on Algorand boys!

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Embracing PoS and establishing a foundation are key steps towards Monero's future, whether you agree or disagree. Unlike Bitcoin, becoming 'ossified' is not an option. We need to stay open to new ideas.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

> foundation

> CoC

> embrace PoS

Please, go back to ETH.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> PoC

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Proof of contribution is better than proof of stake

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> PoS will likely take some time for the community to fully adapt to. Taking the first step towards this change is establishing a foundation.

First Monero becomes a public chain before going PoS.

I can bet 1000 XMR on this. Can you?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But it’s more complex to quantify

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> PoW is not sustainable.

cool story bro.

back to eth you go.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Algorand is pure PoS

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Having a registered foundation can provide some legal protections but it isn't worth it IMO

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> (in US at least. No idea about other jurisdictions)

Last time some workgroup attempted to register an LLC everyone was losing their marbles.

Imagine if you propose doing that for the whole project instead.

lol

googlemozilla hope you got plenty of patience, because you'd get mauled day and night for weeks.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> An LLC is a no good

We'd take legal advice from a brit!

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Algorand does not support private transactions by default. Why do you think I'm here?

very known for their competence!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Just make a Marshall Islands company my good fellow

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> A top show way to organise your organisation

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Why isn't it worth considering? I haven't heard any compelling arguments against creating a foundation, aside from the common criticism that it's 'centralized'.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> yes top competence Brit here

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> How about this one? PoS, Foundation as well as private. Has survived Binance delisting.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> sentz.foundation

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Nested shells would be a good show

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Like Sam bankman fried

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I've done my research. Monero is the only option for now.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It would be hard to explain origin of funds for CCS

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f990ezb.pdf

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> The Ethereum Foundation has sold hundreds of millions of worth of ETH that it initially allocated to itself. I fail to see the issue.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Oh dukenukem, it must be the competence that got me an actual productive conversation started 🎩

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Oh, okay

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> What about random people donating a bunch of XMR to CCS?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> XMR isn’t real

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s just a number

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Additionally, I would consider potential for future legislation. If there is a 501c3 in US that is associated with The Monero Project, there could be some consequences for the board

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And if you’re really really good at math, you can have it all.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If the US decides to make Monero illegal

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Or something of this sort

kewbit lol.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Hello again dukenukem

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Make it a non-profit organization, and we'll be fine.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> This is never going to happen. If it did, we'd have far more pressing concerns.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But then they wouldn’t be able to steal funds as easily

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Of course

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yeah, but consider that the org may have to explain the origin of donations

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I'm not trying to 'prove' you wrong, trying to understand better myself. I don't know either

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure too.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Btw can we all just give dukenukem a round of applause for narrowing my identity down to 69,315,317 people

I didn't, your decentraliSation spellings did.

Only beans and toast eaters do that. Weirdos.

The odd colOUrs of decentraliSation.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This graphene profile is indeed set to UK darling

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The British are much classier than you fat corn dog bastards.

Assumes I'm American lolio.

that's weird, 404.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> crypto-news-flash.com/ethereum-foun…0-eth-again-to-support-key-projects

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> cointelegraph.com/news/the-ethereum…r-but-will-eth-price-fall-this-time

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> decrypt.co/200680/the-ethereum-foun…ation-just-sold-2-76-million-in-eth

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> The liquidity of ETH is primarily sourced from unknown entities, and the foundation has allocated hundreds of millions of ETH to itself, which are then regularly sold and invested into various projects. CTFC has declared that ETH a commodity as well so it's reasonable to assume that a non-profit foundation would be an acceptable model for Monero.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> How is going from ETH -> DAI using a pool with unknown, potentially non-KYC users any different from receiving anonymous donations? I may be completely wrong, so we would obviously need to get legal advice on establishing such a foundation. This is just an idea for now.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You dirty IP sniffer, should be banned!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> These links haha

That's called libel until you can prove it, which you can't.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> We need a bot for link removal

Fucker.

I don't know the domain, must be a scam!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> In Thailand you guilty until proven innocent

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You performed the action

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> With intent to identify the most secretive people on the planet

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> In our very chambers

thanks for transferring monero-wallet back kewbit!

PS if you want serai rust code wrapped for dart i have examples in pub.dev/packages/monero and its accompanying crates.io/crates/monero-rust whose sole purpose is to provide a monero-wallet FFI layer for Dart at the moment

or if you want to use Dart < 3.6, use irondash/cargokit instead of irondash/native_toolchain_rust.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> No worries, good thing I happened to need it

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> You're full of coincidences kewbit.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Have you provided preland with binaries to finally resolve the drama, or are you waiting for the new ChatGPT model to be released?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeah it’s because I’m an exit scammer 😜

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> bruh

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nice way to expose your unculturedness

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> imagine not knowing catbox.moe

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Hi again RetoSwap

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> Hi everyone! I’m new in these chat, I wish I’ll able to contribute soon as a dev

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> God help you

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> What is your expertise?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Good with C++, Rust, both, neither?

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> kewbit.org: kewbit u are the reason why I’m here

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Why’s that?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Hi, that is great! Don't get scared away by this drama haha

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Your pro-Monero propaganda worked

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> I won’t! Actually I’m a mid in full stack development.. still learning rust so pretty junior with those language

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Great

<l​m:matrix.baermail.fr> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/489#note_27571

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Full stack, like web apps?

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> Yes

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If you are good with frontend please contribute there

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Making things more user-friendly with better UX would be great

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Since you're more higher-level I would not recommend getting into the cryptography and stuff

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> Im pretty good in the backend, but can still work for the front end if needed

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> Im not a designer, but still can code what is needed if a preview is provided

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> We're not talking crappy ExpressJS APIs here...

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> That fine, what are u talking about?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> IMO contributing to UI/UX would be best

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Have you checked Monero source code?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> CryptoNote whitepaper?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> oh you want to be a monero dev? name all 400k lines of code

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> :P

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> :P indeed

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> recanman: I think I’m gonna trust the audit for the monero code lol

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I am saying that if you'd like to contribute to something in the 'backend' you will need to familiarize yourself with Monero's cryptography

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> How are you with PHP?

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> Seriously, I’m not that senior, my contribution for the moment will be limited by my experience

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> Oh thanks. I’m strong with laravel

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Awesome

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Okay, here's how you could help. I've been very busy with life and trying to finalize a CCS. Two things left:

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> 1. Writing documentation

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> 2. Writing a few more PHP functions

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> And rly like a mentor :)

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Let's talk in DMs?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Really simple 2-3 PHP functions that make calls to C FFI

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> Of course! Gonna be a busy day probably won’t be able to be here a lot

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> But let’s talk about that :)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you can also do an ecosystem web app

hell yea @manwee14:matrix.org. check out monero-integrations/monerophp #154 and see MrCyjaneK/monero_c #70 for the PHP impl of monero_c

sorry i also have not been able to contribute to that, recanman. busy with other work as well :/

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> All good, my excuse isn't that good anyways. I've been able to at times but just have forgotten about it

someday i'd also like to make a poc for rust to php as opposed to the monero_c/impls/monero.php example there

everything needed should go thru the c++ tho and i'm confident that monero_c will be maintained thru fcmps so it's ultimately unnecessary

however spirobel is doing cool things with very small bin size rust tools for web wallets and that might be good to eventually repurpose for use by things other than typescript. idk if that will be feasible, havent seen that work

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> A working buildable from source app will be released today but this is like working alpha pre-release

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> googlemozilla: Monero doesn't need an org on the premise anyone can make an org to support it.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Like really alpha, meaning no mainnet lol

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> There is a CCS alternative, the MAGIC Monero Fund, which is an American 501c3.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> kewbit there are alot of in-progress ccs proposals - theres not enough bandwidth to make each of them the central topic of discussion for several hours every day on multiple platforms. stop teasing releases in here and making the situation worse for yourself

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there are also around 9 ccs proposers who have completed their milestones in full and are patiently waiting for their payouts after posting their requests

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> bruh

<3​21bob321:monero.social> jesus

<3​21bob321:monero.social> luigi on island time ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> good morning chat

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMFAO

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lol free zone

i thought Monero was trademarked? monero-project/meta #730

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Geonic went on a tangent a while ago about it

<b​itkew:unredacted.org> SyntheticBird: DM

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> may I request publicly why you're not dming me with kewbit.org instead?

<b​itkew:unredacted.org> I'm not kewbit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> make a little difficult to check your identity

<b​itkew:unredacted.org> I support kewbit

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lol

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> 🫣

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Born yesterday i think

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/fqIVOQnPPrfnfXwFplogWaNj

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mister deleted the messages btw

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmaooooo

<m​anwee14:matrix.org> I’m pretty new here but that’s hilarious lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Last part gave it away too

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i don't know exactly what he expected. I'm under Tor, in a virtual machine.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Lmao

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll just add that to the endless list before this saturday meeting.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats a serious problem trying to dox with a tracked link

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I should have used my residential proxy instead.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just so that he looses his time

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Proxy chains through plowsof next timw

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Time*

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You should add a section about how he spams matrix rooms and as proof attach the timing between his reddit posts and the spam messages here.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Fwiw i can't really put that in the doc because kewbit can always claim that this is not him

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I understand. Hopefully the readers can figure this one out.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll just add that to the endless list of topic to talk about related to kewbit before this saturday meeting.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/XmGvwfPfUGsNrjtOexPSlMtT

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> lol woodser

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> This is becoming annoying and distracting.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I don't know how you manage to handle this all day.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats _literally_ the point

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Be sure to vouch on my CCS if you appreciate it :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cant defeat the code? try something new

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Check out !cSwJDzxRuWndmFUZTd:haveno.network for a laugh.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> We analyzed kewbit's 'code' that is currently public.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Make us fight each other. That doesnt work? Filibuster and try ti drain and discourage contributors. That doesn't work? Spam, impersonate

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Is this carefully planned, structured like a step-by-step manual that agencies follow, or the work of a troll with too much free time?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Nah this is not the feds

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> They would actually be effective

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> They don't message you and calm you slurs

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Also, they have money, this guy doesn't

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/adJjyfvvdABaWgwEbsFwzIiX

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I basically responded like this when they wanted me to take down monero.town

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> This guy has 75 XMR!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> The feds would just pay my bribe, it's a win-win /s

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> But this guy instead called me a faggot and tried to reset my Twitter password

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I am still open to bribes btw

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Don't you get their IP from password requests?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> As long as they only affect me, I won't backstab anyone for money.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Example of a bribe I would accept:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> 3 XMR per day for not interacting with Monero at all (pay me to touch grass)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Example of a bribe I wouldn't accept: 3000 XMR for monerosupplies customer data (I delete everything as soon as shipped so this wouldn't even be very effective, I don't have a list of addresses)

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Hey everyone!

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> We're finally ready to share our FCMP video Thanks to the generous community who funded the video. Produced by us & xenu

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Youtube: youtu.be/jc8Kc0WogAI

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> X: x.com/VOSTOEMISIO/status/1865014306607350128

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Video file: drive.proton.me/urls/8KE2EJ97PW#RaZojGqSMSrq

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Personally, for those wondering, i'm also accepting bribes. Money up front of course, 87WfCvFET33Uh6uPmjpVvuF16aDMWd25acYmbNQhhTXpTeDgo8Z34GNUgegvXhkJv2aJQxgdu9XzZ68sMFYF7PcWLBVT6tv

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'll accept anything above 0.6xmr. Please send requests after making payment. Thanks!

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> nice vostoemisio 💪 is the light version in the video file link?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> No that one isn't ready yet but we'll make one for the website np

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> what do you mean "np" 😄 thats required "This is slightly higher than our initial proposal since we agreed to extend the scope to include both dark and light backgrounds."

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> looking forward to it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Plowsof pressure

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> No problem as in np we haven't forgotten about it. Doesn't make sense to share 2 versions simultaneously for marketing purposes

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> This comment would make more sense if I asked / requested payment IMO

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This whole time plowsof thought i was saying "nope" when i said "np"

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> for marketing purposes the light version can go on getmonero

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Yeah that's the plan 😆

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> nice video

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> fresh and crisp with notes of blueberry overlaid on just a soupcon of vanilla

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> my compliments to the chef

<s​gp_:monero.social> I think it's a bad idea for Monero as a whole to try and make a foundation. That's why we have the MAGIC Monero Fund as a supporting committee underneath a 501(c)(3), which very much sits on the side in a supporting role only

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This is horrible. Why don't have ever heard about Monero soup kitchen before.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (excellent video, tho i feel a bit too technical for public)

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> Who created this bounty?

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> bounties.monero.social/posts/159/10…ss-monero-point-of-sale-android-app

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> monerokon / ajs

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> #monero-bounties:monero.social

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> ajs: I have a small christmas gift for you

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> @ajs-xmr:matrix.org: I have a small christmas gift for you.

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> Check DM

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> In fact, 2 other monero projects also received such gifts.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> [@user2570:unredacted.org](https://matrix.to/#/@user2570:unredacted.org) nice! You decided to join me on unredacted.org. 😁

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> yes

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Ajs matrix.org account left all XMR matrix rooms not long ago, he might've deleted that account, don't know why. Guess we'll find out if he monitors monero.social one at all soon.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> otherwise ping him in #monerokon:matrix.org

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> [@plowsof:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@plowsof:matrix.org) no u.

so uh, have there been any changes made to how you guys work to prevent another kewbit from happening again?

(on the other hand, the optimal amount of fraud is non-zero, so perhaps the value of doing so isn't worth the cost)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mesaoptimizer there hasn't been a community workgroup meeting yet to discuss officially. And tbh kewbit has been cordial and helpful when he arrived so you can imagine the confusion

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> some are now auditing the code he delivered, ig there are improvements at this point on verification of deliverables over amendment of rule 4 (source code on a regular basis)

btw very much appreciate getting this up: librejo.monerodevs.org/SyntheticBird/kewbit-drama

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no problem. I was literally made aware of his behavior two weeks ago. Was time someone took the pen and call out this pos

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That exists? Shame on you dude.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Hope you feel that was your time well spent

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Check this out guys

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Call it bad timing much

<system> file ima_95f7c2c.jpeg too big to download (3423559 > allowed size: 1000000)

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> ima_95f7c2c.jpeg

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have pretty much fixed all errors in one of the biggest coded bases ready to push for you guys blood sweat and tears

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> 1 error left

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have just finished all of the documentation which took me days weeks

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have written a guide on how to build it yourself today

<system> file ima_f4f92ab.jpeg too big to download (6560023 > allowed size: 1000000)

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> ima_f4f92ab.jpeg

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have gone above and beyond even what was expected of me and build docker containers so that people can easily deploy anything in the haveno stack, and avoid technicalities completely just one line of code to be setup

<system> file ima_c75ab1b.jpeg too big to download (3207813 > allowed size: 1000000)

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> ima_c75ab1b.jpeg

sidenote, it would actually be pretty cool if the monerologs.net logs was aware of matrix users and therefore had a "view" that converted m-relay messages into ones that seem to be from the users in question

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I just spent hours writing a CCS update

helps with readability. I don't expect anyone to do it anytime soon, but writing out ideas has zero cost

<system> file ima_99323c4.jpeg too big to download (5704569 > allowed size: 1000000)

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> ima_99323c4.jpeg

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You're squatting havenodex on docker hub 🤦‍♀️

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Omg

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Seriously dude

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That’s what you took from that

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have my finger in the button and it’s people like you that stop me pressing it out of principle

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Interesting turns of events, I guess you did really wanted to keep the code for yourself after all that, not just hide its non existence. Next meeting promises to be exceptional.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You and PsychoticBird disgust me dude, you’re the most toxic people here I swear.

anyway, this is a supply chain vulnerability at this point

<s​gp_:monero.social> can all discussion on this move to a different channel

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have me finger on the button for a a full release and I just don’t want to press it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> First respond accordingly to every point I called you out about then maybe I'll revise my opinion of you

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You want me to do everything?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20241206#c470583

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Sgo_ this very relevant this channel

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Sgp_ this very relevant this channel

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m sending photos which you probably can’t see on IRC plowsoff

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Hi res

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> High res

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Is that why you shared the link?

okay, dumb question, but I got interested in this because I knew that haveno is different from haveno-reto

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Go for it

can someone explain if haveno is eventually going to launch a network, or is haveno-reto now considered the 'official' haveno implementation network?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mesaoptimizer. haveno, the software, is never going to endorse or run an 'official' network. Reto just happen to be standard because its the only one working at the moment

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Never an official network

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That’s for sure mesaoptimizer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and reto isn't an implementation btw, just an adaptation of the original software necessary for the network to work

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Only test networks

I see, thanks

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So you want me to go through and respond to your book of me PsycoticBird, it seems like I don’t have a choice

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stfu with english and write dart

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> then ig you can proceed to try sending me other ip grabbing link to dox me or write ai generated personal attacks or bullshit args over the timeline

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> ?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t even know to respond to that

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes I can see selective clipping of conversations. How long did you spend doing this?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You can prove him wrong by releasing source code

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s huge and most can be explained, just with the truth

<s​iren:kernal.eu> That would be the ultimate response

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m inclined to release the source

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the only thing he can prove me wrong is that he have a source code that I thought non existent. The rest still hold

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Only because it works enough now for a pre-release but I’m not inclined to meet your abusive demands

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You need ego suppression or something

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Like a demotion from being able to influence this so effectively

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s really toxic dude

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 5 lines? im not reading, write dart

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m am so shocked you made time for a manipulating post, because it does only selectively choose

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Like for example I said no to the rust think I was doing for haveno but I learned it was apart of something bigger and handed it over, you snipped the bad bit when I said no

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Regarding the rust crate

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> If 99 people call you out for weeks and 1 doesn't, who is right? The mob or the loner? 🤔

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Doesn't take too many braincells to figure that one out, lad.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> `monero-wallet` ? oh yeah don't worry I'll inform the community accordingly

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Stfu and put up already.

We should open a polymarket for whether kewbit releases the code or not.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And then there is another person that didn’t understand gRPC serialisation and codegen works and concluded that some base64 representation of a gRPC endpoint was obfuscated code that was malicious. But you can literally decode it and see it’s just binary which is for protobuf communicates, in order to be efficient

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> Yes

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So I have less experienced developer reviewing my work, then perpetuating their ignorance

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> What does that mean?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Geez…. Just ignore this guy until code is released. He’s obviously mentally ill

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So that you can just your snippets to convince me not to get paid for it

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So that you can just your snippets to convince me not to get paid for it

aremor: it's not like there hasn't been provocation, to be fair. provocateurs elect in here.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Even after code releases, I think I've done my part, he will 100% make a post with fallacious arguments on some of my points, playing with date and then call all I said to be shit, because hey, I released the source code. Supposing he do eventually. I'll just be here for the meeting tomorrow, but after that I don't think I'll give much a fuck about him.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Polymarkets, interesting

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> midipoet I'd bet 10 XMR he won't.

Ooof

I am very tempted

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s comments like this that prove that I shouldn’t, as you’re tending to represent everyone as no one seems to counter you. I would have clicked the button an hour ago if I didn’t realise there was a book written about me. Apologies if principle means too much to me. But what’s the consensus on this behaviour…. People just sit and watch it.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Which model of ChatGPT is that?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> What?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I want to know if everyone else is like you

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Or accepts the way you talk and regard people

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> They must do if you’re mod

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> plowsof how much would you charge for a bribe to have this fool banned? Asking for a cousin.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Syn is my other account

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Interesting

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So you’re both the same so you make it look worse than it is

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tsmt

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> How much did you donate to the CCS for the front end ofrnxmr?

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> containment channel wen

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 200xmr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> me too obviously

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Txn id and view key?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Federal question

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Not in this case lol

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t have IP logs of the entire internet

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Would be cool to have though

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> containment channel ++ mebbe?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Heres the real question

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How much did anybody donate to your proposal?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> say to admin to re-open #monero-beef

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I think a physical fight would settle this

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> Steel cage match

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And then I would be satisfied to release despite your abuse.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m serious, I would expose my identity for the opertunity to destroy you in a fight and have it recorded for the internet.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 2 more weeks before release

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> that physical fight would be abuse

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Just stick to one account

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It would be real abuse, the kind of abuse you get for disrespecting people not being behind a keyboard

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, i like my own comments and reply to myself

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> image.png

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> who is admin?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> even after years I don't know

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> absolutely

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> I wish to request #monero-beef, blue

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> waste no time cooking get it here now

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I wont join that roon

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> No one is, anything goes, you’re in this room and you’re not an Anarcho-syndicalist?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> because scotts a bitch and the room not allowed to be used for disputes like this

Cat is napping and not reading any of this

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Scott rebanned me from -beef repeatedly

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Xmrscott

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why are you giving info to yourself?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You can abuse as much as you want I think the only rule is no doxing

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> xmrscott: I wish to place an order for #monero-beef with a large fries and lemon water to drink

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Chatgpt can't fight bro

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Here’s what I’m going to do, we can wait until tomorrow so I can actually do something like watch movie for the first time in 3 months, you can present your book. Based on the results, we’ll go from there.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> sirs this is boring enough without keyboard warrior internet tough guy routine please i beg you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wrong. Scott's rules for beef is literally "if you fight, we'll perm-ban you"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> beef is more like "synthetic soy beef"

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Banning unless blatant spam bots that adds no value is pointless

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Right? The only this becomes relevant is if were placing bets and making a real event out of this

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only way* this becomes

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Let’s do that then

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Who escrows?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> syntheticbird

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> xmrscott: xmrscott-backup xmrscott beef please

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’ll bet anyone 200 XMR its released either now or tomorrow morning depending on if I get an apology and a removal of that book.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> i need a nice comfy jacket and a nice padded room for my dear friends

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> there will be no removal

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Btw who registered Haveno.app? That would have prevented me buying haveno.com for €5000

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Defo someone in this room

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/FMJwcYjlodVhLsRzwDyUNmTy

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That’s enough social time for me today

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you won't, you can make your release tomorrow

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and contradict what you said this morning

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 2 more weeks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> by tomorrow, does snybidy think we will see:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. missing code for "foss" projects (haveno crate)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. Misrepresentation and squatting of other peoples works (haveno.com basicswap.net)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3. Released source for the milestones that he wanted 50% payment for

<a​remor:matrix.org> Useless speculation

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I mean.. does anybody think these will be remedied **

<a​remor:matrix.org> The guy is dead to me until code released

<a​remor:matrix.org> Until then, there’s a million other more important things to think about

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Oy, thats le bad. He have principles you have to be kind to receive muh source code

<a​remor:matrix.org> Don’t give two shits about that app anyway

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You won’t see the missing code for the Haveno create because it’s on my laptop which I don’t have, so don’t get your hopes of for that, it doesn’t bare any relevance yet anyway.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Regarding the domains, completely out of scope and discussion.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> 50% after source release is kinda reasonable I think. Don’t you? 🤔

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ban kewbit from this room yes/no

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Yes.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> No worries

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Oh no

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> sorry for the lack of moderation here. physical threats even

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> He's left for the 11th time!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> where is my entertainment of the evening?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He has to come to meeting tomorrow

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Is this a forfeiture of the CCS?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ban him from ccs**

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> did we get scammed again by being too lenient with the rules

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> soloptxmr style

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> RYO fireice style

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who was threatened 👀👀

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if he really was the spammer, he tried to break into my accounts

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I mean. I've list 13 points he need to answer before any decent human being can consider his CCS still meaningful and ethical

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/mmQIBfNhSWGaEAjuVKeWeotV

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> take popcorn guys, tomorrow meeting is going to be long

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Omg is this kewbit soap drama still going this what season now?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Mj-xmr development ccs, paid out after confirmed scamming. Definitely too soft

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> send some screenshots of vscode, apparently have finished an alpha pre-release but Oy we're naughty boy and not kind with him so muh source code will release tomorrow, its your fault not mine i have principles

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont check my email, so i dont even know if anyone tried me

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> S1E6

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> "Crazy Handful of Nothin'" ?

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Geez I actually believed him initially but the evidence is showing he got nothing to release. Which is pretty fucked up. I really hope im wrong

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> How many seasons there will be?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Seven or something?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Show cancelled. Bad ratings

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> credits tomorrow tho

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> So is there going to be vote on this CSS?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> officially no.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> realistically yes.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org put on agenda please

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Can we get his name taken off the bounty also so maybe someone else can have a go at it?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Very true

so a 7hr meeting tomorrow?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "vote to cancel haveno app ccs"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, just a yay/nay

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nothing to discuss any further

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats shorter then monerotalk

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Yay

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Either by tomorrow, we will see:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. missing code for "foss" projects (haveno crate)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. Misrepresentation and squatting of other peoples works (haveno.com basicswap.net)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3. Released source for the milestones that he wanted 50% payment for

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I've 13 points you have only 3

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or we close the ccs due to ethics. Ccs shouldnt support bad actors who misrepresent and cheat their way through

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also, kewbit's ccs has 0 donors. Just like the exceptional circumstance of being prefunded before going up, an equally exception circumstance of refunding the prefunding.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Why vote, foss it or toss it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My 3 points are still 3 too many

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Steal syns and you have 16 decoys

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I don't hate kewbit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I hate scammers

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> kewbits update repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/489#note_27599

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Same here

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We are inclusive

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So next milestone we have to go through this again ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fck that

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> So wants 50% payout before release of code for testing or i have misunderstood him?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plz pay me and i’ll show you its epic

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Thats bullshit unacceptable

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lol the nerve using local/share/com.haveno.haveno

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> codeberg.org/HavenoDEX/haveno-app/src/branch/development

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Any confusion with an official Haveno git account would be a mistake bro i swear

<3​21bob321:monero.social> codeberg.org/HavenoDEX

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ummm

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Logo and name

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Missrepresenting

privacyx: the note suggests that one can build from source, so presumably the code _has_ been released - or maybe I'm missing something?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cornfeedhobo development branch on codeberg or gitlab repository have new commits dating from 5 days ago

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> impersonation

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's been 5 days he has been lurking doing nothing

<3​21bob321:monero.social> github.com/HavenoDEX/haveno-app

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 404

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> I dont see anything at all just comments no code

honestly that lines up with my suspicions anyways - i mean .. that grpc code looks to be almost entirely auto-generated.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is there a thing to test code for gpt

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> huh you're right

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the codeberg repository don't have any code commit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hold on guys maybe he has put the CCS response before pushing the code

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that would be hilarious

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Maybe....

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> git.haveno.com/haveno/haveno-app

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> First link

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > codeberg.org/HavenoDEX/haveno-app/src/branch/development

yea... i don't get how anyone can "build from source" if it hasn't been published github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app/branches

all this is months old

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app #2

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > You need to sign in or sign up before continuing.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Can't access le gitlab

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> codeberg.org/HavenoDEX/haveno-app #3

i'm getting exhausted of this run around.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/HavenoDEX/haveno-app #4

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> He made the gitlab sign only

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what level of FOSS is that

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> All links are dead ends

yeah, this is all dead ends from what i can tell

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> 404 dead end

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> I think we wasting our time he playing us with his little kid games

i think at this point this ccs should be closed. this is too much annoying stuff. i really tried to mediate the other day and it was clear that kew was playing games, responding only to _how people talked_ instead of anything of substance.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Free of code

i still wish the temperature of the room had been lower - i think it gave them room to play these games, but either way, this is too weird.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I’d paused that ccs and blacklist kewbit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Id close the ccs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Add to jetfund?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> .. and blacklist kewbit from any future ones, incl bounties

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I will tell border security on monero island

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Return to jetfund 75xmr lighter

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> I vote close css

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> And remove kewbit from bounty also

for real. they had enough expertise to publish 20+ repos, register multiple domains, and boot strap an entire identity since September, but pretend to be stressed out by all this work?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ahaha

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cause chatgpt cant do that

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Manual labour

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> syntheticbird, you do know that luigi has several people fingering the pulse and relaying information in real time to his subconscious

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So luigi is looking out the window?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I didn't know he had *several* people

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx for precising

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Deigo and plowsof with 5 alts

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof is run on k8s

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We scale them up when needed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Last time i tried to finger luigi, he told me to fuck off and mind my business

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> that was probably luigi1111w

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I thought it was kinky tbh

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> just quoting the inscription on the first us penny

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Got up on wrong side of bed

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> So haveno.com and Aloha-haveno are all kewbit?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I think its all the ones rbrunner found too

<3​21bob321:monero.social> It was on redit somewhere

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Aloha is trash repo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no evidence on aloha aside kewbit shilling aloha and both repository and owner incompetent

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So... probably

<h​avenouser:monero.social> is kewbit techleaks?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Same victim mentality, same terrible usage of git

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Git it ????

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Same personality attributes

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> git pull my hair out amirite

s​yntheticbird: it's similar language. "increase decentralization"

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/yeOoRBfgqragOHIyJRJSaHSM

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Doesnt respond to questions asked

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fingering of the print

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The-Aloha-Project/haveno-aloha.com 699680c

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 30%

<3​21bob321:monero.social> not 50 ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> changed back to 0

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> messy ass repo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The-Aloha-Project/haveno-aloha.com 30368cb

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> What a mess 😂

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> @irc theres a matrix poll above: "close kewbit ccs" yay or nay

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Probably going to use his app too

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Syn, your poll got botted

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh shit it goes to the bottom

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I am the bots

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I voted no

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I believe you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thanks. I would have felt bad for voting yes

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> there is a saying in academia, publish or perish

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Can i perish first? Then leave publishing in my will?

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> No first i pay you 50% of total then release

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ok thx

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> WTF!!!

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/yDnpLQwoNJUiYKDIxLpiGsjJ

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Maverick has always has been a piece of shit who believes in Monero as a political instrumentation.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> His twitter account is literally only this

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Why vote, foss it or toss it

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Why he trying make out its a war Retoswap against haveno app fucking sounds stupid

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Yea i blocked him he posts stupid shit alot of time

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Braindead people feeling to be powerful by making their own war and then claim to be the good side

<p​reland:monero.social> If a (valid) competitor to Reto comes out, what will be your reaction?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll be happy

<p​reland:monero.social> Same

<p​reland:monero.social> Honestly if a competitor doesn’t come out idk if I will keep doing dev work for Haveno (after my current obligations are finished ofc)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's surprising. Haveno have took so many expectations from the communnity that it is know a battlefield between bad actors and contributors

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> now a battlefield*

<p​reland:monero.social> I think there are a lot of lessons from what happened with Haveno that can be learned

<p​reland:monero.social> The biggest one being that sometimes its not the code that screws things up; its everything else.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> I wont mind I be happy competition is healthy