<b​tcbestcoin:xmr.se> anhdres is a scammer

<b​tcbestcoin:xmr.se> hasn't done anything for his ccs monero garden yet scammer like everyone here

<b​tcbestcoin:xmr.se> no organic growth. btc is where the organic growth is

<b​tcbestcoin:xmr.se> bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-btc-xmr.html#alltime

<b​tcbestcoin:xmr.se> hahahah xmr shitty transaction count compared to btc

<b​tcbestcoin:xmr.se> even with spam attack transaction count is dead

m-relay: XMR is the only crypto apart from stable coins that kept its market value almost always stable since the end of the bull run of May 2021.

Not gonna lie, I kind of wish it wouldn't.

I actually prefer it that way. It keeps the speculators away, and has a better chance of getting adopted as an actual internet currency rather than as a "get rich quick" scheme.

I want to use Monero to pay for goods and services, or to donate to people I like, not to be concerned about how much it is in fiat currencies all the time.

For the latter case, we already have Bitcoin.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> There more people than ever on the comit thing

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> 6 makers in UnstoppableSwap

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I think it's a high time high

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Hello everyone. I'm AmericanScream, an anti-crypto evangelist who maintains the subreddit r/CryptoReality and regularly moderates r/Buttcoin. Can anyone spare some time to answer my questions in DM that I have regarding Monero?

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> Screenshot from 2024-03-20 05-18-09.png

I would DM, but I'm not on Matrix.

I came here to ask about the GUI wallet, but I ended up liking the CLI wallet much more.

So I just stick to the CLI wallet.

The GUI wallet is so slow.

AmericanScream thats a nohello.net, better just ask your questions here

He probably wants to roast all of us with his questions and claim how none of us couldn't answer them in his YouTube video, without having to show any chat logs to back up his claims.

Seen it before.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> Don't worry guys, he a reddit mod

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> His opinion doesnt matter

True.

mastodon.social/@AmericanScream Choses Mastodon.social out of all instances, has Discord chatroom, Reddit mod, confusing "app" for "program" or "application", "40+ years experience in software engineering" while being suspiciously active on social media, typical American boomer dedicating his entire life into SJW'ing about a specific technology... Doesn't really make a legit case.

Read some of his "debooking" on Reddit, sounds very akin to what every single one of those so-called "anarcho-communists" (let's just call them "communists with a bit more digital literacy" to make it less misleading) would say. And yes, they all say identical things, many of which are very pro-New World Order, pro-Bill Gates, pro-Klaus Schwab, pro-veganism, pro-totalitarianism, pro-censorship,

anti-freedom, pro-climatism, and all the rest of the stuff you expect from your average NPC. So yeah, credibility is completely gone, AmericanScream.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> <a data-mention-type="user" href="matrix.to/#/@americanscream:matrix.org" contenteditable="false">@americanscream</a> ARE YOU CODING, SON?

Good lord, HTML in a message.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Post here americanscream

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Why all the negativity? The primary reason why I wanted to discuss via DM is because I've attempted discussing with Bitcoiners before and it didn't end well as the arguments degraded into name-calling. I prefer one-to-one conversations as discussions remain cool.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> @remiliascarlet:matrix.org is attacking my character and I haven't said a thing yet...

I'm not attacking, I'm doing proper research into you, and found your motive based on that.

And then call it all out.

It's what you get if you come into a community with the purpose of picking a fight.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It's a bit weird having 40+ years of experience in software engineering and wanting to DM people to ask questions. You should be an expert at using a search engine and finding out the information you need from docs and QAs online, no?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> If it's a highly technical question, you should ask here in the group.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I've already done my research, but I needed testimonials for one of my new documentaries I'm working on.

Then why would it be so hard to ask your questions in public?

If those questions and answers are supposed to be public anyway?

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Anyways I've already initiated some discussions via DM and they're going well. I'm not going to bother posting my questions here as the hostility already shows most of your criminal motives!

damn, those pesky criminals are everywhere

Now you're the one attacking us.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> "MUH CRIMINALS!"

Even I did a crime of jaywalking yesterday

no one is safe

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> I thought you redditors believe in "Be Gay, Do Crime"

We all know why he wants "DM in private". So that he can edit out incovenient answers for his "documentary"

Just like what I said at the beginning, yes.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> If you promise not to attack my character again and again, I may post my questions here.

Seen enough "totally neutral and completely unbiased" interviewers do this.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> >wants a private DM yet hates on privacy

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> Curious!

Privacy for me but not for thee

As I said, I did not attack you, so I don't have any obligation to promise anything.

Besides, while I look into who you are and comment on it is considered "attacking", then why are all your "deboonking" efforts all over social media not considered "attacking"? Hypocracy much?

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> *Sigh*. I'll test you folks with one question I've been discussing in my DMs.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Monero is not anonymous. Yes, the blockchain itself is most of the time (I've watched Breaking Monero and know about the edge case scenarios), but the bridge between fiat to/from Monero undermines the anonymity, making the coin useless. Unless you're a criminal, fiat is always a superior option to using Monero. Want to buy from your local grocer? Use fiat. Even the argument of usi<clipped message>

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> ng Monero for drugs is better done with fiat than Monero. Monero is best for cybercriminals and that's it.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> One common counterargument I get is that Monero will save people from tyrannical governments. This is utter nonsense as fiat can also do the same, it also presents the common trope of crypto attempting to solve a non-existent problem. Bitcoin tries to be a store of value. Ethereum tries to be an alternative to the current financial system, the future of finance. Monero tries to be<clipped message>

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> anonymous. All these solutions are hogwash compared to existing ones.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> "IVE DONE MUH OWN RESEARCH" Uh oh, looks like we've got a crazy conspiracy theorist here!

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/JVAevYrXpuUEiMvJIMMYmbdr

Want anonymous fiat to/from Monero bridge, look at LocalMonero

<a​remor:matrix.org> I don’t see a question here at all

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'm wasting my time here aren't I?

Also, being anonymous when dealing with fiat is out of scope for Monero. Monero exists in digital world, not real world

AmericanScream, nice that you quoted a fear monger video who lives in your echo chamber, but where is the question?

One has to exercise good opsec in addition to using Monero

So you want to send DM's to find answers, or to lecture us?

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> LocalMonero is not anonymous. Counterparty risks are still involved and this is why some criminals are scared of law enforcement creating buy/sell orders to catch them.

LocalMonero is as anonymous as your counterparty there

there are many independent sellers/buyers there

choose wisely

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Why use Monero at all unless you're a cybercriminal? Fiat also has counterparty risk, but it's arguably better compared to Monero.

If you would have replaced "fiat" with "cash", you'd have a better point. "Fiat" includes all the digital options like cards, *Pay, and so on.

again, it's out of scope. Dealing with fiat is about your general opsec, not about you using Monero

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> @remiliascarlet:matrix.org There's my question. Stop avoiding it.

You're the one avoiding my questions.

I didn't see many question signs "?" in that message

More like a rant that "fiat will get you busted"

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> As I guessed this is a waste of time. I'm going back to DMs.

Your "question" reads more like a lecture than a question.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> I agree. This is a waste of time. Please consider getting a real hobby instead of letting "le evil crypto" live rent free in your head

Sweet and cose DMs which you can edit to your liking :D

*cosy

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> americanscream: what do you hope to achieve?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Maybe the bridge dropped a message because I don’t see anything from Remiliascarlet before this message

Like, question: You are doing everything wrong, it's a scientific fact, the science is settled, and there's nothing you can do about it.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> I agree. This is a waste of time. Please consider getting a real hobby instead of letting "le evil crypto" live rent free in your head all day

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'm making a documentary right now on Monero and it's only usecase being for cybercrime. I'm trying to be neutral by getting counterarguments to what I've said about the coin and that's why I'm here.

Doesn't feel neutral to me if you immediately start attacking us over using Monero though.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> >trying to be neutral

<a​remor:matrix.org> Sovereignty? Why not use it?

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> Press X to doubt

Why only usecase "cybercrime"? I use Monero to get donations for p2pool, where's crime in that?

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> why should everyone have access to our wallet/transaction info?

Here's a totally "all cybercrime" page on where you can buy "totally drugs" stuff using Monero: monerica.com

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I don't like crypto at all and think every coin is useless. Use cash if you want privacy.

MentalOutlaw (youtuber) runs his shop and accepts Monero, all legal

"Muh criminals use Monero" lol

Criminals use fiat orders of magnitude more

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> is this going to turn into an arguement like normal?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> its just trolling

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'm not going to continue arguing here. I've moved to DM for serious discussion.

Yes, because you lost fair and square here

So run away crybaby

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> Yeah, go cry to your fellow bots on r/buttcoin

As for opsec, the biggest problems tend to come from people talking too much. Doesn't matter if you use Bitcoin, Monero, or cash, you can get caught regardless if you expose yourself too openly in the end.

MentalOutlaw quote right here ^^^

This is what happens to those who got caught using Monero anyway.

sech1: It's true though.

I wasn't saying it's not true, I just remember he said it almost word for word once :D

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'm not a troll. I'm doing a serious investigation on Monero to educate people about it's true use case. If you don't believe me, you can view my documentary criticizing "blockchain technology". It's proof of my hard work:

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> youtube.com/watch?v=tspGVbmMmVA

I think in a video about "Finnish police trace Monero" FUD

Ah, I wasn't attempting to quote him.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> "MUH HARD WORK"

AmericanScream, you're so full of yourself, aren't you?

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> americanscream: thats not news to anyone tho

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> Care to show some of that 40 years of hard work in software engineering?

To anyone starting bragging with their years of experience, I always reply "wisdom comes with age, but not to everyone. Some peopler only get older"

But thanks for half-confirming exactly what I "attacked" you about.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Continue attacking my character. It shows how childish you are.

I'm 12 years old inside

Your point ultimately is not to research, but to lecture us.

What else left to attack when your only public argument here was destroyed?

Right now we're just chatting

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Cybercrime is good

You're the one being childish for calling me pointing out your hypocracy and true intend "attacking".

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> You say this like its bad

Bring some next topic to discuss, something more interesting than "muh criminal coin hurr durr"

Or we'll continue with offtopic here until mods ban everyone

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Can I include your message in my documentary?

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Absolutely

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Proudly

Sure, go ahead.

Make sure you include the entire log.

It's a public IRC room, consider it like a public square IRL

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> We need more cybercrime

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> The world would be a better place for it

But if you include messages from this room to the documentary, don't forget to put a link to this full discussion to your YT video description

Okay?

Here's the link: libera.monerologs.net/monero/20240320

Otherwise you can again edit everything to your liking, and that won't be fair

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'm not going to link this whole channel to my documentary. You people are only going to be hostile to my viewers and fans if they decide to join.

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Boohoo

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Cry me a river

Ah, so not a documentary but propaganda

Just like I though

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Whiny little glowie

Can't stand against critics

Only fanboys allowed

Like I said, he's a total hypocrite.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'll be including screenshots of Monero users who praise cybercrime and attack my personal character as proof of what this coin is really about.

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Like we give a shit

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> You and your audience of 3 retards with no meaning

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> "NOOOO STOP ATTACKING ME"

"Proof", my ass

Just screenshot everything if you want to keep it neutral.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/LkdzAenvrpXJqjpAtqkYvQIN

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ok offtopic peeps

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> take it to beef room

Just screenshotting parts just proves that you're a hypocrite and a liar.

Do you have some real arguments? What do you ask people in DMs?

Stop with this "criminal coin" bullshit

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> You don't have to care. My documentaries are praised and I've amassed over 75K views on my content. I like educating people about the reality of crypto.

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Seethe

Same was said about Bitcoin in early years, when people though it was anonymous

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> What power does you and your 75k NPCs have?

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> None

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> No influence

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'll leave now. As I predicted, look at my first couple messages, this community is no different to the stupidity of Bitcoiners.

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> As if they even exist to begin with lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> so i will be famous again. I appeared in erc tweet. Now this

Yes, criminals use Monero, just like criminals use any other tool that works as advertised. Criminals use cars, criminals use fiat. Criminals even use bathrooms.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> gl with your cash in cashless society

Until his bank account is frozen for wrongthink

Happened in Canada in 2021

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> fyi ©️

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> What do you mean bro, the government would never ban cash bro

"this community is no different to the stupidity of Bitcoiners.", said every ancom ever.

Bitcoiners now are just a bunch of NGU retards

Real OG Bitcoiners are all here now

<a​remor:matrix.org> It’s so weird how people seriously thought it was anonymous while they were staring at block explorers.

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> EU is pushing hard for anti-privacy, pro-inflation and centralized digital currency

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> I just love how all Ethereum ZK Technology is cucked from the start

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/UiFAsbRgmWqZPbmFaQvBjKvb

<system> file Screenshot 2024-03-20 at 9.52.44.png too big to download (2943987 > allowed size: 1000000)

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Screenshot 2024-03-20 at 9.52.44.png

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Imagine putting "limits" and "kyc" as a feature 😂

<a​remor:matrix.org> Man r/monero is crawling with NGU tards also

Impossible

Monero doesn't NGU, everyone knows that

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> It will soon

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Tari will be the pumping mechanism

Ive started a DM with a user from xmr dot se and another who wishes to expose a cover up regarding hardware wallets seed (24 in length) and a monero core seed (25 words). The documentary will be explosive.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Prob should keep his mouth shut until it is published

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Delete that

<s​iren:kernal.eu> americanscream: you should make a documentary about 24/25 ^

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It's a very important problem in Monero

Not everyone will understand this reference

What is an NGU?

Number Go Up

Ah, I see.

Neva gunnagive uup

Diamond hands, apes together, all that stuff

I'm actually fine with Monero not going "to the moon", because I want it to be part of a parallel economy, not yet another "get rich quick" coin.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Here's another argument against Monero I'm placing in my documentary, for those interested. Monero fails to achieve its purpose of being a currency as it must continue its parity with USD. Monero is always compared to USD. However, for it to become a currency it must be able to stand on its own. I know that Monero attempts to create a pathetic circular economy, but this can't ever<clipped message>

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> be sustainable as an economy requires rules and a government. It must require centralized quality testers (like the FDA), regulation and patents for products. Monero also fails to hedge against inflation, unlike USD which offers many banking services to save in. Even if the Monero price is constant relative to USD, it really isn't stable because inflation (from both emissions and<clipped message>

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> relative to USD) decreases your real value.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> My best source of proof on why Monero will fail is CCS. I note that when developers request for funds, they publish a constant amount of XMR to be paid in. Now this causes problems as XMR is volatile unlike USD or most other fiat currencies. Some Monero community developers experienced issues in receiving their payments as the price of XMR dipped relative to USD and this reveals w<clipped message>

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> hy XMR fails one of its primary purposes. Goods and services priced in Monero are unstable, unless you're a criminal of course as none of this matters.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> lol

Oh, you're still here?

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> why are you such a bootlicker 🤔

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> >"Imma leave"

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> >keeps coming back

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'm responding to this message by sech1.

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> still not a question

Monero isn't compared to USD. You can compare it to JPY, RUR, CHY, or whatever else you want, but it doesn't mean shit.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Imagine spending so much energy on why something will 'not' work. It signals a pathological love where you have to justify yourself why you shouldn't love it.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Last time I checked, a documentary is supposed to be impartial. If you set out to prove a point, you are not making a documentary in the first place

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Its like a anti-gay documentary. Probably done by closeted homophobe

"However, for it to become a currency it must be able to stand on its own." Does any of your beloved fiat currencies do this though?

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> americanscream: regarding "cash is better", how would one pay someone electronically with cash? The nnumber of times Chase has locked my account for trying to use Zelle to make payments it found "suspicious" is almost a dozen.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You could call it an essay, or opinion piece, or article

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'll be reporting this hostility in my documentary.

I don't know which message you're responding to because I'm on IRC and I don't see quotes

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> User left the room

"Monero also fails to hedge against inflation, unlike USD which offers many banking services to save in." Because apparently you can't have a desktop wallet?

Why are you so fixated on USD? USD time is running out, it will crash in the foreseeable future

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> Average room IQ has increased by 22 points

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Yes, please add the argument that you may secretly love it but see it as forbidden love and thats why you have to spend so much energy to dislike it.

Monero price/value will get more and more stable as more people start using it

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> I feel sorry for americanscream. I think that way reveals a complete ideological capture

Law of big numbers

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> I feel sorry for americanscream. To think that way reveals a complete ideological capture

"Now this causes problems as XMR is volatile unlike USD" XMR has been consistently on 21,000 yen over the past 3 years, so what are you talking about?

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> sign of the time

I still don't see a question, only one more scarecrow "muh Monero price is volatile"

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Yeah bitcoin has diehard haters like the gold guy

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> This is just the same

It has been less volatile than Bitcoin in the last few years

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> oh well hes completely irrelevant

Look, I just asked 3 actual questions to your attempt to lecture us which you call "question".

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> You dont get it bros, his 1k completely real subscribers are gonna hunt us down!

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> What exactly causes this sort of mentality?

I'm all for real journalism and documentaries, but not for this kind of one-sided propaganda. He didn't even agree to put a link to this full chat in the video description, that says a lot. Real journalists always provide their sources for readers to examine on their own.

eudaimon36: "how would one pay someone electronically with cash?" Actually, it's very common to do that here in Asia, although it requires going to a convenience store.

Pay electronically with cash? There are ATMs that accept cash and you can select a number of services to refill or pay for

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Anything that threatens your deep senses of self will automatically trigger a fight response. He has to reassure his sense of self with long narratives diatribes.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Anything that threatens your deep sense of self will automatically trigger a fight response. He has to reassure his sense of self with long narratives diatribes.

AmericanScream, "I'll be reporting this hostility in my documentary." As we all have said already, you're free to do so, make sure you show the full log to also prove your even bigger hostility, hypocracy, and lies.

You start being hostile, you can expect everybody else to be hostile back.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Plenty of reasons to try to figure out why something won't work. Precisely because you have no way to be certain that it *will* work. So instead you come up with tests and then say: "ok, I am 99.99% sure that this won't fail in the ways that I have tested"

Did you seriously believe we were going to cowtow for you if you were going to insult us right off the bat?

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> He probably truly believes in bitcoin as the only currency. Deep down sees Monero as a threat because, well it makes more sense. But he is to far down the rabbit hole. So he has to convince himself and others as to why it is "definitely" wrong.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> But the implication is that you are genuinely interested to see if something can work or not

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> He probably truly believes in bitcoin as the only currency. Deep down sees Monero as a threat because, well, it makes more sense. But he is to far down the rabbit hole. So he has to convince himself and others as to why it is "definitely" wrong.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Otherwise you're just wasting time

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> He probably truly believes in bitcoin as the only currency. Deep down sees Monero as a threat because, well, it makes more sense. But he is too far down the rabbit hole. So he has to convince himself and others as to why it is "definitely" wrong.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Anything that threatens your deep sense of self will automatically trigger a fight response. He has to reassure his sense of self with long narrative diatribes.

sech1: No, literally with paper and coins at the cash register.

They are the ones who will transfer your payment to them for you.

It depends on the country I guess. In Russia, there are "ATMs" everywhere where you can put cash and pay for all kinds of digital services, even pay your loans

In Sweden, there's nothing like this because everyone went cashless

I'm in Japan in case you didn't get the hint yet.

I guess, the more cash is used in a country, the more places where you can go and pay for digital services

As I stated "yen" a few times.

Never been to Japan, and I thought you were just saying "yen" as an example of fiat Monero price stability

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Switzerland is also very cash-friendly.

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> I meant, pay a particular person for services, e.g.

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> I pay individuals with xmr regularly

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org Please read my DM, thank you.

AmericanScream, he's on IRC, therefore your DM will never arrive.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Me too

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org I'd like to report remiliascarlet for harassing me in the Monero general matrix room. I was innocently asking questions and proposing my argument for one of my upcoming documentaries on Monero but this person specifically continued to attack me. I spoke to many other members of the chat, including DMs, and none of them were as rude as remiliascarlet. Can you pl<clipped message>

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> ease temporarily ban this person? From mod to mod, please?

<a​remor:matrix.org> It kills me when people say xmr cannot be spent and earned directly

<a​remor:matrix.org> wtf he’s back?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Wb

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'm anti-crypto, this includes Bitcoin. As a moderator of r/Buttcoin, do you really think I like Bitcoin? I've been criticizing it for years now

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> He's back to recommend banning

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'm anti-crypto, this includes Bitcoin. As a moderator of r/Buttcoin, do you really think I like Bitcoin? I've been criticizing it for years now.

Lol, banning me because I hurt your feelings, what a wanker!

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> fits the anti-crypto psychology

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Even worse, a fiat maxi.

"From mod to mod, please?" <- Corruption right here. We got him!

<a​remor:matrix.org> Nothing but a troll

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> That points to my theory as being true. You even dedicate time to dislike Bitcoin lol.

But yeah, you start insulting us, we insult back.

You show respect, we show respect back.

Simple!

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Watch my documentaries and read the endless amount of posts I've made on cryptocurrency. I'm no troll.

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> sadly, I think it's worse than that. As I said, ideological capture.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> It's like when somebody criticize your theological beliefs you need to go on a long diatribe as to why it is not actually wrong.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Here's my YouTube channel:

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> youtube.com/@AmericanScreamVideo

So far all your arguments right here, in this channel, were destroyed

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hmm

To get our interest in watching documentaries, provide some argument that can show why crypto is wrong

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Dont use google

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> Respond to this then

Do you have more convincing evidence to prove your "muh moneroez 4 cyburcraims" claims than just your own documentary?

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> I made an honest and polite attempt to give you a usecase

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> There are endless solutions for paying with cash digitally. Paypal, Zelle, etc. If your bank blocks your account, you can always contact them for support. It goes two ways. If you ever lose money to fraud, your bank can help you. Now if you think your bank is being malicious, switch then! There are thousands of legitimate banks to choose from and the law protects you from malicious actors.

PayPal, the service that has been caught redhanded outright stealing your money? That's supposed to be safer than Monero?

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> >PAYPAL

Now say that to Canadian truckers

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> HAHAHAHAHA

Paypal, I'm not touching this with 10 mile long pole

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> americanscream: What are your thoughts on the canadian trucker incident?

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> paypal is terrible

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> notoriously so

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> You don't have to use Paypal, there are endless options to choose from.

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> i'm always amazed when I hear that people continue to use them or see people recommend them.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I listed Paypal as one example.

Yes, like Monero

I choose this option

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> Yea, I have had to contact then a dozen times. And I spend 15 minutes answerinfg questions about my personal life, before they approve my payments. I don't want my banks help with fraud. It isn't malicious, it's invasive. And if I select another bank,m guess what will likely happen? Same thing.

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> and its awful

Paypal - not touching this

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> I want privacy and freedom

Western Union - banned me for life for merely sending money to my family in Russia

way before the current war

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Use cash.

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> not protection from myself

No thanks

Monero only

I control my money

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> Did you read my original question?

and where they go

and no one gets to say me what I can and can't do

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> cash is cumbersome and inconvenient

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> the person I want to pay is not anywhere near me to pay him

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> How is Monero any better?

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> and terrible if you need to move larger amounts of money across international borders

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> it can be sent internationally with minimal hassle

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> Just buy a plane ticket bro, it's not that expensive!

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> send a briefcase of cash via US postal service, apparently

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> americanscream:

Monero is better because some jerk in "AML department" can't stop me from sending money wherever I want and need to

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Once again I ask, how is Monero any better? If you're moving internationally with Monero, you'll have to eventually withdraw it to something. You can't stay in Monero forever because it's not a real currency.

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> you are switching problems

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> stay focused!

AmericanScream, from now on I will use Monero even more just to spite you.

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> yeah just post it through the snail mail bro

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> you can easily convert xmr to cash or xmr to btc to cash in most countries

There are plenty of ways to cash out Monero without unnecessary questions

Who really needs them, they know

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> i've yet to have a problem doing so in at least a dozen countries

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> There you go, you just proved my argument!

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Why use Monero in the first place?

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> no problems with customs, no bulk, nothing to be stolen at various hotels or in transit

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> my lord

Why? Well, how do you send money internationally now, without problems?

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> When you convert from Monero to fiat this problem is even worse...

Say, between Russia and NATO countries, right now?

Just one example

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> sadly, most people still require fiat

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Because almost all Monero users are criminals. Using it with services like LocalMonero only draws more attention from AML services.

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> if they didn't do you think i would use it?

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> that's a lie

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Proof?

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> you and the criminal. You must live in total terror of reality

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> maybe we just don't want to deal with hassle from government entities

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Cause monero isnt banned

Everyone is a criminal

I jaywalked yesterday

OK, you finally asked a real question. First off, so I don't need to deal with middlemen that are outright hostile towards me or need to know literally everything about me before they can process my payment. So I can order from faraway places without having to rely on a postal service or conveniece store.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> americanscream: Still awaiting a response

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> and HR women

Don't expect that if you "behave nicely", some future government won't punish you for what you do today

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> No it's not. Counterparty risk is involved. If you want cash, you have to trust the user you're trading with is not law enforcement or a scammer! You only increase risk using Monero unless you're a criminal in the first place who's obtained the funds illegitimately.

"Because almost all Monero users are criminals." "I am totally not attacking anyone, but that bitch remiliascarlet is attacking me all the time, trust me mods!"

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> how is it better than cash for international transfers? i've already explained

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hawala network

So it's better that the "future government" knows as little about you as possible, including your transactions

Say, you donate to some organization today

10 years later, this organization is banned and everyone is hunted

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> There are better options for internationally transferring cash. *Ahem*, bank transfers (if you're not doing something illegal like a criminal Monero user) and services like Western Union

So? What do you do? Send Monero, or log in to your bank?

Haha, bank transfer

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> not everyone who uses xmr is a criminal

Try sending money to Russia

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> YOu just don't get it. That is all permissioned.

Western Union banned me in 2017

for life

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> just like how everyone who doesn't want to deal with the banking system isn't

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> you can't focus

I was merely sending 4k euro to my family

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Ask russia about bank transfers

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> if anything the real criminals are the banks and the government who enable them

<a​remor:matrix.org> Y’all got time today. To be just giving it away to a troll like this

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Swift network sanctions

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Here you are creating fantasy scenarios. Billions of people use the banking system without issue. If you have one, banks will support you otherwise you can switch to a competitor.

"There are better options for internationally transferring cash. *Ahem*, bank transfers" Nice, let's all pay up to 5000 yen per transfer just to not be considered a "criminal" to this one hypocrite!

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> yea, absolutely. I'm out. Waste of time.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> americanscream: Cmon, address the Canadian trucker question, or would your response reveal your actual agenda?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Reminds me how a bank puts a 1 day hold of money being sent to dex

Whoever says about "bank transfers", really have no idea how things are going outside their "first world bubble"

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'm no troll. Why do you keep insisting this? I'm going to include these messages in my documentary as it further undermines all your arguments.

<a​remor:matrix.org> “I’m gonna tell my daddy on you!”

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Whats new, people framing

How far will you go to keep lecturing us with your dogma, AmericanScream?

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> *Sigh*

"I'm going to include these messages in my documentary" <- oh we're so scared

Please include the link to this chat

the whole chat

I dare you

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> people who live in certain countries have had money snatched from their accounts once the banks run into difficulty of their own making

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> When my documentary comes out you're all free to leave comments against my points.

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> or been denied the ability to move THEIR money abroad to avoid the clutches of their crooked governments

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Right now you're counterarguments are attacking me, calling me a troll or dodging my questions.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Youtube will remove the comments

I answered at least one of your "questions", the only real question you asked thus far.

All your questions/arguments were destroyed already, we're just throwing feces at each other at this point

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> or, lets say you have family in Iran and you live in north America - do you think they make it easy to send money to them via the banking ystem?

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> or, lets say you have family in Iran and you live in north America - do you think they make it easy to send money to them via the banking system?

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> You can message me on Mastodon.

bring new arguments

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Not on social media

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> americanscream: "YOU'RE DODGING MY HECKIN QUESTIONS!" *refuses to address the canadian trucker question once again*

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Fckd the worls up

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> World*

Would you feel safe to donate to Canadian truckers from your bank account? Serious question

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Monero doesn't help in these scenarios. Use cash. Using Monero increases risk in these countries as it's easy for a government to track users who are using Monero. Someone earlier mentioned the trucker convey. Monero is not immune to getting tracked. All governments have to do is ask ISPs for people who are hosting Monero nodes or connecting to them.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Sorry your message only just came up. Something is wrong with Matrix.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Does iran accept usd?

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> using cash is not practical, at all

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Ans how much does that cost

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Does Argentina or Latin American countries accept USD? No, but USD is still used...

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> And*

Why do you want the government to be able to track the flow of Monero, but at the same time you don't want this to happen with fiat and/or cash?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lets do a test

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'm not doing a test or arguing any more. I've got what I came here for.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Do a wire transfer to Iran and see what happens

"Does Argentina or Latin American countries accept USD? No, but USD is still used..." Which therefore means that USD is accepted there.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> You can for a puff piece

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Came*

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> ^^

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> To fit your agenda

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Hopefully @plowsof:matrix.org bans that user who attacks me otherwise your very mods are criminals too.

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> this dude has no idea how difficult banking can be when tryign to send money abroad

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Hopefully @plowsof:matrix.org bans that user who attacked me otherwise your very mods are criminals too.

"Did you get punched in the face? No, but I did receive a bit hit from somebody else's fist."

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> everyone is a criminal to you americanscream

s/bit/big

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> anyone who doesn't do as you please.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> *Sigh*. Using Monero isn't better. On/off ramps are worse than using banks!

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Is google a criminal too?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Who gives a shit what AS thinks lol

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Stop avoiding the on/off ramps!

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> on/off ramps have worked fine for me for over 10 years

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Anyways, make sure to subscribe to my channel if you want updates. Listen to my podcasts if you want a more fleshed out explanation of my arguments against crypto, including Monero.

Please like and subscribe

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Suuuure

mmxxx, "everyone is a criminal to you americanscream" Right? Exactly what I keep saying. He comes to insult all of us, but then complains that I'm the one insulting.

and ring that bell button

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> i am most grateful to cryptocurrency for making my life much easier and making financial transfers so much less cumbersome

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Thank you for the discussion everyone!

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> link to podcast?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Please come again

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> And share

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> "and don't forget to subscribe to my onlyfans as well!"

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> IORadio is the name. You can watch the latest podcast episode here, it's all on my channel:

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> youtube.com/watch?v=T_1onyPsjeE

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I'm hosting another podcast in 2 days, here's the link:

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> youtube.com/watch?v=Oaz7uCV2U0U

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Now its spam

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Move to offtopic for shilling

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Sorry if it's not allowed I can delete the messages.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> But someone asked for the link.

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> i asked for the link

AmericanScream, mind to waste 3 minutes of our time with some bottom of the barrel VPN sponsor or mobile game sponsor as well?

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> americanscream: Surely you can afford an ad with your software engineer salary

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> remiliascarlet hopefully you get banned soon as your behavior is ridiculous.

Hah, don't make me laugh!

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Why cant people handle the heat on the interwebz

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> New idea “ ignore”

Sure, I might be significantly more direct than most others are, but the intend many of us have is more or less the same.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I want to say thank you again for everyone who talked to me today, both in chat and in DM. I'll be going now. If you want to keep up with my updates, see my socials or you can just message me on Matrix. I'm never talking here again.

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> kek

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Bye again

OK, bye bye, for the 4th time.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Cu in 5mins

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> He didn't even address my question on canadian truckers :(

Yeah whatever, bye forever

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Framing a puff piece to fit their agenda. Where have i seen that before

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Left room

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Probably back in 5 mins

I've seen this kind of deception so many times before, it's just hard for me not to hold back what I truly think of such types of people anymore.

I said from the beginning that his objective has been to lecture us and insult us, and man I got proven so right!

These kind of propagandists can't stand real critics and always fall back

to their bubble

And complain about how we are the ones insulting him rather than the other way around.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> And assuming he really has 40 years of software experience

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> To think that there's a 60+ year old man out there

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> sperging about crypto

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> on irc

And report me to the mods, which reminds me to when I ran a Fediverse instance for a while, and Twitter SJW's who didn't like that Elon Musk took over fled to Fediverse all started to mass-report me to the admin, which was me.

Simply shrug them off.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Prolly makes sense

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Old gorillas never learn new moves

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> But can you imagine spending your retirement years like this?

Trolling on IRC? Definitely

That would I'd do

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> It's like the closer you get to Munger age the more fiat maxi you become

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Lets call it the Munger Law

I would understand gold maxi

but fiat maxi is just retarded

inflation calculators exist for a reason

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> not just "trolling on irc" , sech1

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> But also being a reddit mod

no way

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> It's a shame the Munger Law also affects software developers. Imagine not believing the thing you worked on for 40 years can create a new monetary system.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> It's a shame the Munger Law also affects software developers. Imagine not believing the thing you worked on for 40 years cant create a new monetary system.

no going to be a mod anywhere

Because I was a mod on a forum once, when I was young and naive

and even a forum admin for a short time

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Wouldnt surprise me if they were the troll from the last couple of days

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> 0pim?

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> snex?

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> And yes. If I had all my life networth on treasury bonds I would probably do the same 😂

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Gotta defend your bag

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> gott defend the ponzi otherwise it will collapse and leave you naked

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> gotta defend the ponzi otherwise it will collapse and leave you naked

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ^

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Wb

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I wish my price predictions was as good

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> <a data-mention-type="user" href="matrix.to/#/@americanscream:matrix.org" contenteditable="false">@americanscream</a> Alright grandpa, let's get you back to sleep

He's back again?

Because if he is, then his messages aren't showing up here on IRC.

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> lol

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> wb americanscream :)

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Who would like to debate with me on the next Monerotopia episode?

Oh, now he's showing up.

you've been invited to speak on monerotopia?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Oh doug doug doug

AmericanScream can you share any other related docs that you have done? Is this a monero specific doc or crypto in general?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I just made it to oct 2023 episodes

Let him speak there honestly, let's see how his so-called "criminals" react to his lecturing on "crypto is evil virus of satan" in person.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org I'm working on another big doc as I mentioned but the one I've posted is my only public doc so far on cryptocurrency as a whole. I regularly critique crypto in general on my podcasts. You can go through all my points against crypto (including segments on Monero) here if you don't have the time to watch:

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> reddit.com/r/CryptoReality/comments…d_crypto_talking_points_rough_draft

You may find people who agree with most of your criticisms of "crypto"

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Most of my points relate to Bitcoin but I want to venture more into Monero as I'm tired of yelling at the clouds and seeing no results.

"I'm tired of yelling at the clouds and seeing no results." Maybe that happens for a reason.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Here is my other post:

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> reddit.com/r/CryptoReality/comments…to_list_of_cryptocurrencyblockchain

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> @remiliascarlet rather than attacking me constantly, feel free to read and critique what you want. I'll respond against your arguments.

What is your definition of "attacking"?

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> Alright muted. I've had enough.

Can't explain.

M-relay muted?

Lol, so he really muted the entirety of IRC?

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> No plowsof I've only muted remiliascarlet messages.

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I can still see IRC messages from everyone other than remiliascarlet.

How criminal of him.

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> i thought you said you were leaving and wouldn't be back americanscream? what happened over the past 1 hour that made you change your mind?

<a​mericanscream:matrix.org> I need to find someone who will debate with me on Monerotopia. I was talking with other kind members of this chat and they recommended it.

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> best of luck

"I want to debate." *blocks miss Remilia for hurting AmericanScream's holy feelings*

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Basses, from what I understood from Louis Rossmann, GrapheneOS devs can be very short tempered.

Can't verify though.

you're talking about one guy, micay

and he is supposedly no longer part of the dev team

Good day fellow criminals

I started to read the scrollback and then thought better of it

uncle_rae: Ah.

So many laws these days, it's impossible to not be a criminal.

Even worse, being a law abiding citizen in one country doesn't mean you won't get arrested when you arrive to another country

Ask dutch tourists with their weed

Or ask Johnny Somali.

Thinking he'd be held to American standards by Japanese authorities.

And probably thinking you can just use the "racism" card if arrested too.

<b​asses:matrix.org> theregister.com/2024/03/19/crypto_wallet_providers_urged_to

I google Johnny Somali. He's the literal "fuck around - find out" case

*googled

*searched

*duckduckgoed

*ducked

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> why did you all spend so much time arguing with that retard in good faith

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<k​orgprivacy:matrix.org> News Segment:

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<k​orgprivacy:matrix.org> ODYSEE: odysee.com/@MoneroTalk:8/biden-tax-eletricity%2C-peter-schiff-x:4

<k​orgprivacy:matrix.org> Monero Development:

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<k​orgprivacy:matrix.org> ODYSEE: odysee.com/@MoneroTalk:8/updates%2C-updates-and-even-more-updates:6

snex, You mean that AmericanScream guy? Because he went into #monero with the purpose of picking a fight and lecture all of us why crypto is the evil virus of satan according to him, and ironically alledged me of "attacking" him after having done research into him and pointing out his intend, to which I was proven right.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> that doesnt really answer my question

Maybe it does

To be proven right

Oh no, there I go lol

<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/embMCrqcINejXNkNGmtfhGeF

But yeah, why

<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/FvVHTjZDfibkwYrXvzceiiWD

<s​iren:kernal.eu> 40+ years or 30+ years

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> also.. why would an anarcho-communist spend so much time defending governments?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> that's quite some difference

Because anarcho-communists are pro-government, they only pretend otherwise.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> > Oracle DBA

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> massive red flag

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> but he wasnt pretending otherwise lol

It's a deceptive term.

Yeah, he specifically didn't.

I can give him that at least.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Siren: even if their name and contact info is public, I suggest avoiding posting it here (or anywhere else, for that matter). Last thing we want is for someone to take it too far

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> disagree

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> its not even in the bottom 1,000,000 of things we want

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I just wanted to point out the inconsistencies. No bad intentions here. Also his lonkodon doesn't have any additional info at all.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Same as the mastodon profile he posted himself previously, with inconsistencies.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I'm curious who these people are and what do they do that's why I checked

<s​iren:kernal.eu> but he doesn't have any work history

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> theyre paid by soros foundation and WEF

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> gislaine maxwell was a prominent reddit mod

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I get it :) Still, better play it safe

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> guy is a complete midwit. the perfect useful idiot for the elites

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Also it's very funny that he calls himself a "tech ethicist". The absolutely proprietary Oracle DB is okay in his book but Monero, which is free software, isn't.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> my job is unfucking several systems that were created by an "Oracle DBA" many years ago

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> wouldnt surprise me if this is the same guy

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> his name wasnt Adam R. Smith but thats almost certainly a pseudonym

endor00, If he puts such info online, he's really just asking for it.

The simple rule of thumb is, whatever you put online shall be assumed to be public domain.

<b​asses:matrix.org> 30++

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yuck. Bad opsec. Found his real name and supposed workplace (his own business).

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Won't post here but guy's a clown.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> please don't mention 21st century in your site again

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> No, he is not. Nobody is asking to be doxxed

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Also, you're pretty much falling for his bait. "Crypto people bad! See? I tried to talk to them and they got angry at me and doxxed me and now they're coming after me!"

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You want to prove you're smarter? Stop giving them free ammo

Endor00, "Nobody is asking to be doxxed" like I said, he already did it to himself, so he did ask for it.

It doesn't count as "doxxing" if the info is public already.

As for your other statements, it doesn't matter. Just like his personal information, the chat log is openly accessible, so anyone can link to here and provide the full picture.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> the idea that we should be thooper nice to bad actors because otherwise theyll highlight how mean we are is a fallacy. they are going to paint us as meanies anyway.

Here's the link, have fun: libera.monerologs.net/monero/20240320

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> if you dont "give them ammo" theyll just make it up (see recent bloodbath hoax)

snex, agreed.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Also if you're gonna cry about this in your podcast, shoutout to www.digilol.net -- we offer the same services as you do but we're not as fucked and monero friendly.

If the other side plays without morals, you can't expect to win with morals.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> im not talkin about morals

Not you.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> calling them out using strong language is not immoral

I mean in general, and in an agreeing tone to you.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> There's a difference between appeasement and standing up for oneself

I mean in the sense of "you can't be just as bad as them" kind of 'morality'.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Doxxing, on the other hand, is actually legally problematic

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> no it isnt

Again, he already did that part to himself.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And even if the info is already public, it doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want, remiliascarlet

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> maybe if you live in a shithole country

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> but in america its called free speech

Yes it does.

Whatever you put on the internet is automatically public domain, even if you say otherwise.

And on top of that, it's eternal. Nothing is ever truly deleted.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The issue for Matrix users is that if enough morally gray things happen here people will defederate from us

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I understand IRC users couldn't care less.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> irc cares much more (as i learned the other day)

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> who cares if matrix defeds? people need to stop creating IDs on their shitty server anyway

Switch to an instance that's not as cucked, or set one up of your own then.

Or join us on IRC, it's a very cozy place.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> so at first we had a literal [furry scammer](dogpatch.press/2022/04/25/repeat-scammer-traceponies-scandal) (not doxxing btw, this individual uses his real name everywhere) inviting Monero people into his crypto podcast, and now this funny personality.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> almost like its coordinated

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> remilia - libera irc is dogshit

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "Yes, let's isolate ourselves from the world even further, and make anyone who associates with Monero like a criminal by proxy. That'll show them who's right!"

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> they will ban you for damn near anything

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> *look like

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> we arent "isolating ourselves." authoritarian douchebags are choosing to isolate us. and this will only help us in the long run. as for criminality, if you havent yet accepted that you ARE a criminal because you arent fully on board with the state apparatus, then you obviously just dont live in reality

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> instead of spending all your effort trying to convince people that hate you and want to enslave you that you arent really all that bad of a guy, wake the fuck up and start fighting them

Snex, Never had an issue with the network admins thus far. The only time I got banned was by individual channel owners.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'd just like to see Monero spaces not be taken from us. -pools almost got shut down a few years back because they got too spicy.

And the reasons were just stupid too.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This is why we build and use Monero.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> remilia - the net admins forced the monero room ops to ban me and refused to even tell them why

The fuck?

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> Diego Salazar: nobody can take away your self hosted matrix. if they defed, teach people to self host.

I'd wish more people would put in the effort of hosting their own IRC servers. It's one of the easiest and least resource demanding thing you can self host.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> self hosting is what we should all be doing anyway

<s​iren:kernal.eu> endor00: I don't understand how they benefit from this but it's always scammers with failed ventures making these podcasts. There's definitely a pattern.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> irc is just an outdated model

And still the best for group chats in my experience.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Scammers gonna scam, nothing new there. All they need is an easy target

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> oh and if they take away your self hosting, move to i2p

We got nobody knows how many different options these days, and they all have shortcomings.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> What I don't get is the people who insist on drawing a bullseye on their forehead out of spite

But IRC is simple, lightweight, barrier-free, and it feels very natural when used in the command line.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> the fact that you cant see that there already is one tells me you might not actually be on our side

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> you are constantly in here shilling pro-state propaganda

In fact, most IRC users use a TUI program.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> you hype your stupid project to convince us youre a monero guy. but this project will never get done

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> you never make progress

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> i would bet good money YOURE the one putting bullseyes on us

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> how much does klaus schwab pay you to be in here and spy on us all day

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> theres no way its worth the info you get

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Man, if only I got paid for having to read this bullshit every day...

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> lol bruh. Just cuz someone has a different worldview doesn't auto mean they're on someone else's payroll.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "Anyone who disagrees with me must be a shill fed spy! Can't prove me wrong, because then you'd be disagreeing with me!"

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> Diego Salazar: this guy is the fakest mofo ive ever seen

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Every project accuses every person slightly opposing them of being paid. When the sadder reality is the powers that be probably don't even consider all this Monero stuff as a threat.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> i dunno how anybody is convinced hes pro monero or even pro crypto

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> just listen to what he says day in day out

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> no more harrassing of AmericanScream - he mods r/buttcoin and has posted a list of why bitcoinsucks - there is common ground here. what are we doing

endor00, Telling people what (not) to do, say, or think all the time does give a very controlled opposition type of vibe to you.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Just my opinion. They got their eye on it, but probably not doing much cuz we're a small, niche group of privacy enthusiasts, about as scary to them as the people that push hard for PGP encrypted emails.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we're ALMOST on the same team

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> What's most hilarious to me is that there's a non-trivial chance I've been here before you even knew what Monero was 🤣

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Be excellent to each other and welcoming to newcomers. americanscream can ask away

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ain't no government looking at us and thinking "oh yeah, this group of rag tags is going to topple the world order" :P

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> remiliascarlet this coming from the guy who showed up like 5 minutes ago and is cheering for doxxing? Pass

That made no sense.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> you being here before i knew what monero was (not likely) is not evidence that you arent here to spy on us

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> it just means the people hosting this place dont have the social graces to figure your ass out

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Lucky they have you, to outwit us all

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> you speak exactly like AmericanScream does

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> pretending snark qualifies as argument

<p​reland:matrix.org> Don’t tell me we scared out AmericanScream already….. it’s been less than four hours 😭💀

<p​reland:matrix.org> Also his points (at least anti-bitcoin, cuz that’s the only ones that I’ve seen) are pretty fair.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> u wot

have you guys found that teapot orbiting the earth yet?

<p​reland:matrix.org> Tbh too many people treat Monero like a “mixer”, where you just trade fiat for your “private” transactions, and trade back into fiat once you are done.

<p​reland:matrix.org> That’s not a currency. That’s a mixer.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> his points are equivalent to going to a gun range and trying to tell the people there that guns are used to commit crimes

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> hes not there to learn about guns, or gun culture, or why people like guns

<p​reland:matrix.org> Was that what he was saying in regards to Monero?

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> i mean its in the scroll...

<p​reland:matrix.org> If so, then that’s a shame, cuz he seems like a smart guy overall.

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> hes a midwit

<p​reland:matrix.org> Ngl if something scrolls up by like an hour in here I won’t rly see it

<p​reland:matrix.org> Too much noise in this channel to filter out unfortunately

I was here b4 endor00

also snex

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> im recent to the chatrooms but i distinctly remember reading about monero very soon after it came out

so I get a sticker?

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> you can believe or not, dont care

*so I

damn

*do I

y do they put keys so close together

<p​reland:matrix.org> If you didn’t get any cheap xmr from it then that’s a shame

<p​reland:matrix.org> Could’ve turned 20$ into like 2k inflation bucks

just read about it?

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> no more questions without my lawyer present

:D

Monero's 10th birthday/anniversary is coming up

April 18 10:49:53 UTC

wut you guys gunna do for beautiful Monroe ?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we have skepticism sundays on the reddits... monero welcomes open discussion of its short comings, its not perfect and is always improving. spending time looking into someones digital footprint to attack them before they can ask anything just looks weak

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i still hear bitcoin maxis talking about moneros ring size of 3 and tiny anonymity set

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> as opposed to no ring at all

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> It’s true right now

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Drop keys of spam outputs 🍻

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> 🐘

dave.jp Rucknium plans to research the effect of the recent transaction spam in an upcoming CCS (and other things of concern)

does the possible reduction in effective ring size mean that you can see the amount sent or the destination address?

A) no B) no C) no D) all the above

hm

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> so then it would mean you can see the sending address

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> A to b to c is enough for analysis

*have a better guess at seeing for some definition of better

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Better late than never

so should I turn my spam tx machine back on?

all my txs are also 1in 2out at min fee

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> dave.jp usually if something happens, there is analysis mitchellpkt.medium.com/fingerprinti…ero-transaction-volume-a19cbf41ce60 then action is taken to improve where necessary

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> We knew about flood attack still we had code change to allow bulk of recent outputs as decoys, it’s criminally negligent

decoys need to reflect actual spending patterns or they don't work well

to do otherwise would be "criminally negligent"

and yes the selection algo is currently under study

preliminary results are that it is not far off

from what it "should" be

in order to be effective any change would need to happen with a hard fork otherwise having different selection algos in effect at the same time brings with it different fingerprinting problems

<h​anshan:monero.social> compiling monerod for the 1st time on Linux mint

<h​anshan:monero.social> compile is ok but new compiled version doesn't execute:

<h​anshan:monero.social> sayslibboost_chrono.so.1.71.0 is missing

<h​anshan:monero.social> but apt says no such package exists

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> I think i've had similar problems before and found the solution to it, let me google it

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> libboost-all-dev ?

<s​nex:matrix.xens.org> my ubuntu only has 1.74 in packages

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> monero-project/monero #8608

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> It's not the same libraries, but the way to fix the problem is too find packages having these libraries

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> packages.ubuntu.com/focal/libboost-chrono1.71.0 has a list of these packages

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> monero-project/monero #8608

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> It's not the same libraries, but the way to fix the problem is to find packages having these libraries

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> packages.ubuntu.com/focal/libboost-chrono1.71.0 has a list of these packages

<h​anshan:monero.social> thanks

<h​anshan:monero.social> why does the old downloaded executable run but the new compiled version wants this library?

<h​anshan:monero.social> assume it's included somehow?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Nobody knows actual spend pattern of monero users, comparing it to coins like btc is useless

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> I haven't compiled in myself, but i guess there is an option somewhere to link boost statically, since most people who are not c++ devs don't have boost installed

<h​anshan:monero.social> i see.

<h​anshan:monero.social> Id like to compile on my miner but then run the node on an old laptop.

<h​anshan:monero.social> So as long as I have the library it should work.

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> What is monero mempool limit ? Before transactions get dropped

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> 3 days / 600 mb

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> afaik

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Nobody knows actual spend pattern of monero users, comparing it to coins like btc is useless <<>> the current OPSEAD research is trying to obtain more accurate spending data with which to make decisions.

No idea what data you are using for your recommendations. How much of an improvement would this result in?

Again, any change of the decoy selection really needs to be done at a hardfork

<b​asses:matrix.org> news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39685272

top comment from the great bibble <3

I don't think I've ever searched for something on the app store and not got a scam as the first result

*" "

<b​asses:matrix.org> greatreset2022.substack.com/p/8172022-my-eth-wallet-is-wrongly

<b​asses:matrix.org> * trying to resist laughing

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> We need more and more of that please