<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It didnt finish 🤔

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Still have a bunch to merge

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/421

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/420

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/416

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/403

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> tldr

ofrn is eagerly waiting to donate

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I hope binance funds 403

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> *404

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They dont need the xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > tldr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Jeffro, v1d/xmr.ru, erc, FCMP

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> How is this different from oxen

some lad donated 105 w0w

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi1111w

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 403

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And the others, but 403 preferably at the top

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 421 420 416 403

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <l​uigi1111w> some lad donated 105 w0w

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I hope that was GF

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Selsta is supposed to be jetfunded

we can donate wow?

no wow only w0w

what does at the top mean

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> First

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The most recent one shows at the top?

selsta part-time monero development (3 months) is now fully funded! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-11.html @luigi1111

I think it's by date

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah. So merge FCMP last

w0w that was fast

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ah yeah

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Priorities

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Well if its by date, order doesnt matter

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2/3 milestones from jet fund(xmr):

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> selsta(70.. too late), jeffro(94), dangerousfreedom(42.6), plowsof(46), erc(34)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> regular merges:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> FCMP, xmr.ru, observer(merged)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Binaryfate ping

no by date on the prop

not date of merge

ok well I should read the rest before replying

some of them have outdated prices and should be updated

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hshahaha

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No they shouldnt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They asked for x amount of xmr, months ago

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Pay the people

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Price per proposal

please update price to $350

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> that 400k didnt get returned so you could be a cheap ass and undercut the requested xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What nioc said ^. Agreed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Those people have been working for 2 months already

what if the price was lower instead?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Did they stop working?

and not all have been working for 2 months

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> When they had 0 assurances?

some of them had assurances

I opened the CCS like 2 months ago and price difference is less than 5$

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Plowsof was on AL

not you selsta

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hes talking about jeffro

oh ok

jeffro and erc

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Wasnt he doing multi sig stuff? When santa left with the slay fund?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont even like erc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Pay the man

I don't care, just being consistent

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> just be happy im not saying "GF should fund fcmp"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah im comsistent

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If price goes down after youre merges and you decide to fuck off, i dont like you

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Omg! Ofrn doesn't like someone!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If price goes up or down, if its delisted from binance or adopted bt us government

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> None of it changes the requested amount of xmr agreed upon amount of xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Requestes and* agreed upon

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If price goes down after youre merges and you decide to fuck off, i dont like you <= yeah but it's pre merge. I understand it's a bit different situation for the ones that started work in advance tho

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 36c3 was paid out no? At 3x its requested dollar rate

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not premerge. It woukd have been merged within 2 weeks of it being posted

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (Jeffro)

that has nothing to do with this situation

jeffro started work so he could be excluded from the clause theoretically

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is erc making movies that dont feature monero?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or is he working on getmonero.org, pretty much alone?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero-site*

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> hinto hinto jeffro256 ErC vostoemisio kayabanerve

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why are you pinging the whoke fkn room holt shit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> we have meetings

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Do we!? Since when!?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Meta meeting?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hinto was there, kaya was there, jeffro isnt the subject

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> vost isnt a subject atm

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not right now!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Don't you say!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Were not discussing CCS that arent in the merge list

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Were playing catchup from the last meeting

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> luigi do you like playing catchup?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> You didnt ping plowsof

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who is plowsof?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Head of scam

ok merged jeffro. If others have started work prior I'll merge them too. Otherwise discuss Saturday. Is there a meeting Sat?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We discussed on the orior saturday

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Next meeting is hinto, vost, and anything new

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> FCMP .....x

I don't see a next meeting listed on meta

jeffro256 full-time development 2023Q4 has moved to funding! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/jeffro256-full-time-2023Q4.html

hopefully plowstuff is sleeping rn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> She is

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Core hasnt funded any ccs yet. Merge erc.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Saves 70xmr on selsta by not using the jetfund

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "As for Monero my opinion is that we infinite down and move to full membership proofs, to remove any illusions of traceability. The sooner we do this the better." - articmine

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi like "yawn, maybe next year"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ridiculous

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "yawn, lets see if i can haggle a lower price"

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> A little bird told me posting meetings in meta is messy

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You just LOST 400k!!

wow ofrn being mad about a movie when he could think about FULL MEMBERSHIP PROOFS

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> It will return with interest

it did already

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Again

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi, trolling is expensive

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Merge FCMP

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Id like to have some progress before we all (except you) die of old age or starvation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 🎉

holee sheeit, a retroactive one moved to funding required! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/kayabaNerve-fcmp-retroactive.html

amazing work, community, now fund it

what community? it's just you and dozens of alts.

I do enjoy yelling at mysefl

Retroactive funding for work on full-chain membership proofs has moved to funding! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/kayabaNerve-fcmp-retroactive.html

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <l​uigi1111w> amazing work, community, now fund it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Weirdly placed doubt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The biggest of the biggest fish need this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> lets time it :D

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Selsta probably holds the record, at like 4 seconds 😆

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Meeting finished ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> kayabanerve: congrats

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fully funded

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "8 week" larping roflmao

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> took more time to yell at luigi than it did to fund

how is it fully funded when it is at 0

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/OdBFdlUIxVyIeCjGbTFYhkkd

lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just got 10conf

that's a nice whale.

Raised 310 of 310 XMR

1 contributors

is n1oc sleeping?

Retroactive funding for work on full-chain membership proofs is now fully funded! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/kayabaNerve-fcmp-retroactive.html @luigi1111

sorry to disturb you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi1111w

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/420

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> merge..

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dec 9 voted merge

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> dec 23 we had ANOTHER meeting, as the stuff from the 9th was dealt with and just pending wallet and merges

420 needs special care

Retro funding money laundering? Hmm

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Special care? Sarcasm?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> dont jet fund it, just merge

420 is not just something you can yolo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 🤨

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm honestly wondering if youre just 420 trolling

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If not, please explain

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> is it the ".ru" ?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Retro funding money laundering? 🤔

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What does loogi know that we don't?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> right?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> 🥳

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> If I was doing anything illicit, I wouldn't have done it when I have 3d to now pay an extra 15k to the IRS :(

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hmm, was in reference to another proposal, not yours.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Oh, sorry. Was there another "retro" proposal? 👀

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> kayabanerve: Just read past few messages, starting here. matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:mat…om&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Oh 0_o

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Luigi1111: my ccs seems to be the only one that is not merged yet. I don't have clear why.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc - luigi acting funny

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:mat…&via=matrix.org&via=hackliberty.org ErC:

<r​brunner7:monero.social> The funding of kayabanerve 's CCS looks like 2 donors wanting to make a point.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> rbrunner7 one single 310 XMR donation funded it, the .01 came hours after the matter. Overfunding change.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I'd like to point out that i've been working on Monero for over 6 years now, 4 using the ccs. Now my ccs has been frozen for 2 months. Luckily i work on other projects, but if Monero would be my only source of income that would be two months of no salary

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> And now my ccs doesn't get merged and i get no word of the reason.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> rottenwheel: Even bigger point then :)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Read the comments on the ccs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The donor spoke first

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc - dont listen to luigi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre on the merge list

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> luigi is probably waiting for plowsof to confirm

luigi1111: why 420 is 'retro money laundering'?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2/3 milestones from jet fund(xmr):

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> selsta(70.. too late), jeffro(94), dangerousfreedom(42.6), plowsof(46), erc(34)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> regular merges:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> FCMP, xmr.ru, observer(merged)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Weirdos...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Weirdos with xmr*

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Why would he need a confirmation if i'm in the merge list?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ofrnxmr LOIC coming online... charging.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I guess it's time to move away from the ccs. It's clearly not a reliable way to fund contributors. Not even long term ones apparently.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because he's not up to date or who knows

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Regardless, hold your horses

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not even 24 hrs after the merges started

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> So much suffering! Unacceptable!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And plowsof is busy atm. Luigi is going off of my word and for some reason he wants to act like its his money

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Having issues with merging v1d, erc, fcmp

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But he didnt show at meeting or comment on git

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And as you said, were 2+ months behind schedule and i dont appreciate generalfund or my jet fund being stingy

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Anyway, the plan is to have a bunch more changes over the next 90 days

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> All of this will be in the past soon enough

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> stingy = he doesnt like the rates being old. I dont give 2 shits, as 1xmr = 1xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And we have extra money for situations such as this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Generalfund got a 100mrr donation recently

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> but we want to make erc lower his pay like 6%

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because xmr went up in the months that we werent told about the hack

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Meanwhile, the guy trying to nickel and dime the 6%, and call foul on money laundering, just lost 400k and didnt report it stolen

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sometime i wonder if there is more than 1 luigi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> All i want from christmas from luigi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is for him to use less of his own judgement

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> KISS. Let us do our job

Another update regarding IRC bridging and message filtering irc.gammaspectra.live/df487825f6f60441/IMG_3908.jpeg

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ty DH

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> good morning, thank you luigi1111 for restoring peace to -community and restarting the CCS

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lets read the backlog and then set up the ccs2 overfunding wallet watcher

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> plowsof: any reason why my ccs was not merged with the others in the backlog

reading the comments ErC , updating price was mentioned if you have not continued working. you made comments saying that you where stopping work while you waited for the ccs to fix itself. otherwise we need a meeting

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> hmm

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Did you include my ccs when you sent the list t oluigi?

i have not sent any list

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> that sound like bullshit tbh

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> where is the comment saying that the price should be updated if i don't start working? i don't see it. I also would like a clarification on why would i be expected to start working before my ccs is even merged. That's a new one...

could also say that jeffro had some assurance of retro funding while being in the "protected group" seraphis/core devs

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Well, sounds like a lot of bullshit going on. I don't know the reason my ccs has been singled out and the reasons provided until now (beside the complete silence from core) are nonsense. I've been working on Monero through the ccs for many years now and at the same terms. i'm dealing with no salary for two months, after 2 years of no salary for working for fucking free on Haveno. <clipped message>

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I'm not going to accept this. If my ccs is not merged or rejected today, i'm done.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> luigi1111 ^ if you'd care let me know something that would be appreciated.

i understand your feelings here. alot of contributors are in the same position. v1do for example has been around for years and has their ccs delayed for long periods and then is quickly funded (even had a "laundering" comment thrown in for good measure - this was a joke/referring to an old comment someone else made)

this can all be fixed with some _more_ patience

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i said what i had to say. Not listening to this bullshit

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> "a lot of contributors are in the same position" <- luckily this is not true, but if it was it would be even worse

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> rates have been adjusted since the beginning of the CCS (if price had fallen by 50% , you'd be 2 months without donations

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if someone states they are downing tools,

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> are you telling me that the reason for not merging my ccs is the price rate? Because if that's the case, for many years until now luigi let me know personally or on the merge request if the price needed to be adjusted. Beside, non of the merge requests that got merged have changed their rate or have any comment about changing rate. They still got merged anyway...

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> so, that sounds like more bullshit to me

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i don't know, im reading the same backlog as everyone else and luigi is probably asleep

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> jeffro and erc where mentioned in the price adjustment comment, but then jeffro was excluded as he continued work / posted a milestone

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> were mentioned where?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> you keep saying "where mentioned" but i don't see anything on the merge request

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> sorry, comments here

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231229#c316778

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> continues "jeffro and erc" then jeffro excluded .. then a "wen meeting"

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> midipoet is there a monero-meta meeting scheduled tomorrow , seems like we need an adhoc ccs meeting

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Am i reading right? Is my ccs not merged because i haven't started working anyway? With my ccs not merged and not funded? luigi1111 is that really the case? Did you expect people to already start working to get funded?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> jesus christ what happened to this project

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> anyway. I said what i had to say, i'm not dealing with this bullshit anymore.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> so you want funds upfront?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> pretty sure ofrn wanted to merge

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> no

<s​pirobel:monero.social> what are you going to do instead?

<j​udecoin:matrix.org> Just the latest announcement, OKEX exchange will be removed from the privacy coin trading pairs on January 5, XMR, ZEC, DASH, what do you think?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> nobody cares

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Considering closing my ccs and instead provide people a way to donate to myself directly, at the same terms of the ccs. If people value my work they'll donate, otherwise they won't and i'll move on

<j​udecoin:matrix.org> We are concerned about this information. What do you think? Worried about its value

<s​pirobel:monero.social> about the value of OKX?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> i dont know what that is and I dont care

<s​pirobel:monero.social> some shitcoin casino

<s​pirobel:monero.social> i guess

<s​pirobel:monero.social> that is a good idea.

<j​udecoin:matrix.org> What I care about is if all these exchanges take XMR off the shelves, where is Monroe going to trade?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> if you are worried just sell

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Sorry if i understood all wrong but wasnt the only Problem that the xmr price in your proposal is still at 140€?

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I'm not sure why you didn't get clear communications tho.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Just pull off the exchange and never use a cex again

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Only p2p platforms or dex's

<j​udecoin:matrix.org> I just wanted to see what you guys thought about the exchange taking Monroe off the market? I'm a big fan of the Monroe technique

<s​pirobel:monero.social> againL

<s​pirobel:monero.social> nobody cares

<s​pirobel:monero.social> again:

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Stops the suppression if they remove it

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Generally i see it as a good thing because it makes monero less available for gamblers

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> And no exchanges can inflate with paper moneros

<s​pirobel:monero.social> but to be realistic: the price will be lower most likely

<s​pirobel:monero.social> but I dont know

<s​pirobel:monero.social> nobody knows

<s​pirobel:monero.social> price talk go to r/xmrtrader

<s​pirobel:monero.social> i think there is a matrix channel too

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Monero market?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I don't really know, what i know is that i won't rely on a system run this way

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> because looks like if i would have started to work without my ccs being merged now would have been merged with the others.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> which is absurd

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> This is the website one yeah?

<j​udecoin:matrix.org> Do you know judecoin? I've also been stocking up on judecoin, the underlying technology for Monero

<j​udecoin:matrix.org> github.com/judecoin

<j​udecoin:matrix.org> I'd like to hear what you think

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Take out all copyright notes from Monero in the source files and put a single line with "Copyright (c) 2014-2023, The Jude Project" there? And make it somehow that all earlier commits from Monero devs seem to come from a Judecoin dev? Seriously? **Seriously**?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> This has come up before?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Not that I know of.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Homepage says it's CryptoNote, does not mention Monero: judecoin.io

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Wtf

plowsof: not that i know of

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I remember something like this before

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Har har ... blocks 1 to 330,000 and maybe a little later all have a fixed block reward of 120 coins. The latest block now has 2.24. judeblock.com/block/330000

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Now that is what I call a creative coin issue.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> lol the website is a copy of getmonero with changed colours and some other small changes

Why is ofrnxmr sending the merge list to Luigi?

plowsof ^

<s​pirobel:monero.social> nice judencoin ... maybe call it shekel instead

<s​pirobel:monero.social> (DISCLAIMER FOR TOTAL RETARDS: DONT BUY THIS )

<r​brunner7:monero.social> a: Do continue to "stock up". Tell us later how it went :)

<s​pirobel:monero.social> MOST LIKELY A SCAM

<s​pirobel:monero.social> ban this guy

<s​pirobel:monero.social> he can shill his shit somewhere else

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I really wonder whether this blockchain really is running since 2021 already or whether the dates are faked: judeblock.com/block/1

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Judascoin*

<r​brunner7:monero.social> @a: By the way, *how* do you load up? Where do you buy this gem?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> a: By the way, _how_ do you load up? Where do you buy this gem?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Dunno why people do that here

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> midipoet the merge list i assume is what has been voted for merging in the meetings, i can't control what people do / who they talk to. i was sleeping on the job while this was all happening

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> my best guess is that luigi is slightly behind on goings on as he's been dealing with other things and just needs a refresher

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Imagine there was a platform which could track this 😉

<a​remor:matrix.org> Which cake pay debit card works with the Apple App Store?

i would have thought the proper process would be for you, plowof, to send luigi the merge list. Perhaps i am wrong though.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> why would you be wrong midipoet, you are entirely correct

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i hand over the publicly agreed upon proposals for merge

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ofrnxmr please apologise

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I was wondering the same thing...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Do better!

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> luigi1111, ErC proposal was brought up twice here:

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 28th Oct libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231028#c294078

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 9th Dec libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231209#c312233

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> erc clarifies the reason for the downvote from moneroguides libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231209#c312334

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Would be nice that these people with proposals appear in meetings

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> vostoemisio / xenu are you both alive for repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/412

<a​remor:matrix.org> Anyone used Cake Pay debit cards for Apple App Store?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> IMO luigi is simply 'behind' on goings on. merged the +10's / core/seraphis / regular renewals and then said "hm" on the +5 updoots / wants to merge in order / dared to suggest consistency reg price and give contributors some kind of reward for willing to starve to death work through uncertain times

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> and asked for a meeting to clarify everyones thoughts

Should I merge as is?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> don't merge mine

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/416#note_23112

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> v1do is ready, not sure on the "core monero concepts" teams availability

erc: why don't you want yours merged?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> midipoet: i closed my ccs and posted a comment repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/416#note_23112

erc: fair enough, i thought your original stance was by close of today. I agree, the price adjustments discussion was not consistent (at all).

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> just another social experiment

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> initially yes, but when all that absurd stuff came up i decided i don't want to deal with it

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> it's very sad for me, but i won't rely for my living on such chaotic mess

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Money saved

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> and luigi1111 after so many years of work together wit the ccs, translations etc, i would have appreciated one word from you, instead of complete silence.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Well

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> It been like that with other stuff

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i've been relying on this system for years ffs, i would expect at least a word if my 10000th proposal is delayed for some reason

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> It was delayed cause no answer in meetings?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> it was 5 seconds from merge after luigi was linked to the specific times your proposal was mentioned ErC

<s​pirobel:monero.social> totally

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> You are missing the point. I guessed that was the situation, that's why i asked to not merge it. The reasons were bullshit and i'm not trusting this system anymore. Thanks for the effort, but it's not needed.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> So your going to maintain getmonero? Without ccs

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> no. i'm going to provide a way to fund me directly at the same terms as the ccs.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Why isnt core maintaining it anyway

Ok thats good you will continue we have more options for self funding now

It was delayed because of the ccs. There was nothing to say. Now that the ccs is up again it should be updated to reflect current prices.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> "Now that the ccs is up again it should be updated to reflect current prices." <- that's something to say and still doesn't explain why only mine needed the price to be adjusted but the others got merged anyway. The only answer for now seems to be that i should have started to work already, which is absurd. There was a lot to say it seems.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> and btw just to be clear, if i would have asked to change the price for getting it merged i would have obviously done it, as i did countless times before (despite having the lowest rate around and having gotten fucked by price changes so many times, but hey ,that's the deal)

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> anyway, done it's done.

<a​remor:matrix.org> sgp: vikxmr ?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Was gonna say your price is 10 euros lower then currently

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Without 10% tolerance too

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah, that's why all this is nonsense iand 'm not going to deal with it.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> But keep babbling and whining about for another day or three!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> localmonero.co/statistics for real price :d

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <l​uigi1111> It was delayed because of the ccs. There was nothing to say. Now that the ccs is up again it should be updated to reflect current prices.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I disagree

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If i knew you were going toncut ny rates

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My say fk u a long time ago

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My god, i cant type

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'd say*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> plowsof: knows exactly what i sent you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And its not as complete as what we voted on

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Jetfund 2/3 milestones is supposed to be 3/3

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> No need to joke btw. Aren't you paid to make sure these kind of things don't happen?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> he was sleeping erc

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> is that a joke?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> As far as luigi's veto goes - idc about it. Its invalid and in bad faith

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He was literallt sleeping during the merges

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If i didnt ping luigi, we'd still have the vast majority not nerfed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Merged

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Is the merges the problem? he didn't even know if i was in the lsit or not and said you gave the list. He seemed as confused as me

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The merges are the problem.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He didn't pay attn to the list

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> PG > full ccs funded out of jet fund

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - selsts

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - jeffro

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - erc* (maybe regular)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - plowsof

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - dangerousfreedom

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - bp++ update

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> regular ccs merge:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - kaya

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - v1d

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - Observer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> close

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - Self hosted

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - form nonorofit monerokon

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> discuss the rest

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The list voted on from dec 9 ^

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> lol why am i in the "maybe regular" list?

yeah, why am I in the maybe regular list?

Do you know who I am, OFRNXMR?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Never was it discussed that there were any issues or changes necessary to any of the ccs on that list

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> right. I'm even more confused than before. Clearly better that things went this way

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That top list is to be backpaid for work completed during the time off.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> someone said something about an issue (later clarified) . The rates were never a discussion

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Jeffro is at 141 as well.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2/3 milestones from jet fund(xmr):

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> selsta(70.. too late), jeffro(94), dangerousfreedom(42.6), plowsof(46), erc(34)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> regular merges:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> FCMP, xmr.ru, observer(merged)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> updated list (no asterisk)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hey, at least you didnt get accused of being a money laundering operation like v1d 🧐

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:mat…om&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i'll take all this as an ongoing effort to decentralize funding by destroying the ccs. So all good.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So.. with yours closed - luigi1111, explain your refusal to merge v1d

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you pay thieves, you merge scams

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But someone with good history across multiple ccs', is all of a sudden a problem

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> When ofrnxmr makes wild accusations, ofrnxmr can back them up

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Friendly reminder that the MAGIC Monero Fund election process is ongoing, and they have their own MoneroFund.prg platform:

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> magicgrants.org/Monero-Fund-2024-Election

I didn't refuse I'm out of office

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ok, but explain the libel

This might be a stupid question, but is it possible for me to prove to a third party that i was the recipient (not sender) of a transaction displayed on an XMR block explorer?

viewkey?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Well, if there is no proof yet "I control this enote", maybe there should be one?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Reserve Proof? AFAIK, it would reveal when you spent the output, too: monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…-the-get-reserve-proof-command-work

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Page 25 of raw.githubusercontent.com/UkoeHB/Se…ng_seraphis/Impl-Seraphis-0-0-2.pdf

<r​ucknium:monero.social> For Seraphis/Jamtis has address ownership proof, enote ownership proof. Some other types of proofs.

<t​obtoht:monero.social> You can use an InProof to prove ownership of an output

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Hey i had one question (maybe dumb). Since my owned input is used in other transactions while I just let it sit - doesn't this have the same effect as churning it? Or in what way is churning better or worse than just relying on time and ring signatures to take care of it.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Also is there a simple tool to search a local blockchain instance for tx rings that use one specific input in their ring?

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> And is there an average how long it takes for an input to be used x times in other tx's or is is this too complicated / random because of the selection algo being so complex?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> unkn8wn69: "Also is there a simple tool to search a local blockchain instance for tx rings that use one specific input in their ring?" github.com/pokkst/monero-decoy-scanner

<r​ucknium:monero.social> "And is there an average how long it takes for an input to be used x times in other tx's or is is this too complicated / random because of the selection algo being so complex?" It can be done. But I don't want to do it right now.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Thank you!

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Well played sir

rucknium: that just seems to prove that i have X amount of XMR in my wallet, not that i received a certain output. viewkey would probably do it, but would also reveal other transactions. Was wondering if there was method for proving i own a certain output, much like what rbrunner states.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> m​idipoet: Did you see what tobtoht said about InProof?

Oh no, i missed that

Thanks

Also OutProof with feather naturally

More info docs.featherwallet.org/guides/formatted-tx-proofs

Not yet a "universal standard" across all montero wallets

Is my understanding correct that the person midget sends his inProof to must also use feather tobtoht? (For now)

s/midget/midipoet

<t​obtoht:monero.social> plowsof: you can also copy just the signature

without feather how would one verify the inProof ?

<t​obtoht:monero.social> share the signature, address, txid with the verifier

<t​obtoht:monero.social> verifier can use CLI, GUI or Feather to verify

<t​obtoht:monero.social> In GUI: Advanced -> Prove/check -> Check Transaction / Reserve -> enter details.

thanks

<t​obtoht:monero.social> here is a valid InProof in case it helps: paste.debian.net/plainh/babad1d7

<t​obtoht:monero.social> hope to see more wallets add support for formatted proofs. great for sharing proofs over e-mail with just a single copy paste. and you can easily include arbitrary length messages with extra details if needed.

<t​obtoht:monero.social> sometimes wish we had the equivalent of BIP for Monero for these kinds of wallet standards

<t​obtoht:monero.social> payment request URIs would be another good candidate to formalize

<t​obtoht:monero.social> or transaction history .csv export

<t​obtoht:monero.social> or UR tags for outputs/key images/(unsigned) transactions

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> Someone should create a repository and write MIP-1

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> It could be you :)

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> I may contribute a proposal or two

<t​obtoht:monero.social> let's make it happen

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> jetfund 2.0: big things have small beginnings github.com/plowsof/scrape_ccs_fr

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Sigh. Paging any Monero subreddit moderator. Please check what's wrong with my post about the CCS "resuming business": old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/18…s_open_for_donations_again_with_5/?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> approved

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Most efficient CEO in Monero history: monerobull

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> LGTM (let get this money 🔥)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> One correction

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The 7th proposal, selsta's, was funded immediately as well

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> based

We could call them MUM (Monero Universal Method)

<s​drfsdfsd345:matrix.org> helo am the us government pleas stop trying to acquire fredom!!!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hi ser

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Would you like to buy some freedombucks?

<t​obtoht:monero.social> silverpill: I'm writing a MIP-1 modelled after BIP-2 / PEP-1 to start off with. Will submit for review as a PR to a bare repo when a draft is ready. Need to decide where to house the repo under; `monero-ecosystem` or a perhaps a new github organization?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Under monero-project

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Similar to meta and mrl

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (imo)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Mrl stuff can become mip's, right

<t​obtoht:monero.social> Scope is to be determined, but yes they could.

<a​lessandrodkt:matrix.org> Hi !

<t​obtoht:monero.social> ofrnxmr: Wallet-level standards are a relatively easy fish to fry and increasingly needed. I'm not sure if there is a want/need to deviate from our current approach to protocol upgrades. Tacking on a formalization process would only slow things down it seems.